Hybrid cars are overrated

NeoPTLD

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The demand for hybrid cars are apparently above supply. I wonder how many current owners just bought them out of ignorance.

I did a small research on it. I used the Civic in regular and hybrid to make comparisons since those two are probably the best models for side by side comparison.

Based on $2.50 per gallon and a 13,000 mile per year of driving, you'll save something like $260 a year. The IRS is offering $2,500 income tax deduction for consumers buying a hybrid car this year, but even after the deduction, the hybrid model cost about $2,500 over a comparable gas counterpart.

After 10 years and 130,000 miles later, owners will come even on the higher initial cost. Even longer when you have to take out $2,500 additional in loans. A hybrid car depends on on-board recharbeable battery packs to hold the power reserve for its electric-drive system. Battery packs don't last forever and by the time you come even on the initial cost, it's probably ready for a battery pack change that brings you right back to $2,500 deficit. Because of expensive maintenance issues unique to hybrid cars, I don't think one ever get ahead economically over the useful life of the vehicle even if gas prices are around $3.

People either buy them out of their wish to promote the environment or they're ignorantly assuming they'll save a considerable amount of money in a few years.

 

Ryan

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Dude - it's not about the money the vehicle costs. If it was - we'd all be driving civics because clearly they're the better option than anything that costs more :roll:

What's wrong with wanting to be a little more environmentally friendly? Is that excuse never good enough, and never worth the extra cost?
 

eelw

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The ignorance is on the OP's part. In addition to the reduced gas requirements and federal tax deduction, a hybrid vehicle comes fully equiped - alloy wheels, climate control, higher quality seating, better audio system and longer scheduled maintenence.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: eelw
The ignorance is on the OP's part. In addition to the reduced gas requirements and federal tax deduction, a hybrid vehicle comes fully equiped - alloy wheels, climate control, higher quality seating, better audio system and longer scheduled maintenence.

But assuming you use it on mostl;y on highways, they son't save you much gas...so the ignorance is still present.


People are overrated.
 

Engineer

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I would love to ditch oil for something else and tell the Middle East to eat their oil!

Hybrid's may, en mass, help, but it's not a cure all. While the US uses more oil than any other country, cutting down won't help much, especially with China and others eating the oil like hell.

Another solution need to be derived (and I don't think hydrogen is the answer because it takes more energy to produce the hydrogen than you get from it).
 

NeoPTLD

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Originally posted by: eelw
The ignorance is on the OP's part. In addition to the reduced gas requirements and federal tax deduction, a hybrid vehicle comes fully equiped - alloy wheels, climate control, higher quality seating, better audio system and longer scheduled maintenence.

Did you not see the part that the comparison was made against a comparably equipped gas model?
 

NeoPTLD

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Originally posted by: Engineer
I would love to ditch oil for something else and tell the Middle East to eat their oil!

Hybrid's may, en mass, help, but it's not a cure all. While the US uses more oil than any other country, cutting down won't help much, especially with China and others eating the oil like hell.

Another solution need to be derived (and I don't think hydrogen is the answer because it takes more energy to produce the hydrogen than you get from it).


Much like a catalytic converter. Engineering solution yielding an economical gain at no economical gain.
 

Ryan

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: eelw
The ignorance is on the OP's part. In addition to the reduced gas requirements and federal tax deduction, a hybrid vehicle comes fully equiped - alloy wheels, climate control, higher quality seating, better audio system and longer scheduled maintenence.

But assuming you use it on mostl;y on highways, they son't save you much gas...so the ignorance is still present.


People are overrated.

Considering a Honda Insight can easily reach it's MPG estimates - and even on a bad day, you're getting MPGs in the 50's - you can.

 

NeoPTLD

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Originally posted by: rbloedow
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: eelw
The ignorance is on the OP's part. In addition to the reduced gas requirements and federal tax deduction, a hybrid vehicle comes fully equiped - alloy wheels, climate control, higher quality seating, better audio system and longer scheduled maintenence.

But assuming you use it on mostl;y on highways, they son't save you much gas...so the ignorance is still present.


People are overrated.

Considering a Honda Insight can easily reach it's MPG estimates - and even on a bad day, you're getting MPGs in the 50's - you can.

Comparing a Civic against an Insight is not a fair comparison.

If they made an Insight in non-hybrid version, that will make a fair comparison.

 

EmperorIQ

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Originally posted by: Engineer
I would love to ditch oil for something else and tell the Middle East to eat their oil!

Hybrid's may, en mass, help, but it's not a cure all. While the US uses more oil than any other country, cutting down won't help much, especially with China and others eating the oil like hell.

Another solution need to be derived (and I don't think hydrogen is the answer because it takes more energy to produce the hydrogen than you get from it.

hydrogen
 

eelw

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Originally posted by: NeoPTLD
Did you not see the part that the comparison was made against a comparably equipped gas model?

But there are no comparable standard Civics to the Hybrid Civic. You'll be throwing in another $3k in upgrades before the two models are similarly equipped.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: EmperorIQ
Originally posted by: Engineer
I would love to ditch oil for something else and tell the Middle East to eat their oil!

Hybrid's may, en mass, help, but it's not a cure all. While the US uses more oil than any other country, cutting down won't help much, especially with China and others eating the oil like hell.

Another solution need to be derived (and I don't think hydrogen is the answer because it takes more energy to produce the hydrogen than you get from it.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c...ronicle/archive/2000/01/29/MN76411.DTL">hydrogen</a>

Considering there are over 150 million cars in the US alone, someone better get a big algae farm!

 

daniel1113

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Originally posted by: NeoPTLD
People either buy them out of their wish to promote the environment or they're ignorantly assuming they'll save a considerable amount of money in a few years.

Gotta love the power that lobbying groups and their advertisements have over the ignorant masses.
 

ElFenix

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an accord hybrid saves 290 a year based on average of city and highway over ther regular v6, and also gets better acceleration
 

Ryan

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Originally posted by: NeoPTLD
Originally posted by: rbloedow
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: eelw
The ignorance is on the OP's part. In addition to the reduced gas requirements and federal tax deduction, a hybrid vehicle comes fully equiped - alloy wheels, climate control, higher quality seating, better audio system and longer scheduled maintenence.

But assuming you use it on mostl;y on highways, they son't save you much gas...so the ignorance is still present.


People are overrated.

I never made the comparison. I was using it as an example that you could save gas on highway trips.
Considering a Honda Insight can easily reach it's MPG estimates - and even on a bad day, you're getting MPGs in the 50's - you can.

Comparing a Civic against an Insight is not a fair comparison.

If they made an Insight in non-hybrid version, that will make a fair comparison.

 

2cpuminimum

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You're failing to take into account the fact that most people expect gas prices to continue to rise, and with good reason. It wasn't that long ago that gas cost $1.34/gallon. It is not at all unreasonable to expect gas to be $3.50 soon, and above five dollars within the life of the vehicle. This shifts the balance of the equation in favor of the hybrid.
 

43st

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I'm not sure where the economical red herring even came from. People purchase new cars based on what they want to drive, period. If you're poor you purchase a used car usually.

I'm not sure why folks on a tech forum would be so down on other's purchasing the latest in car technology. You guys still typing away on 486's and going to ask the world to slow down because you're an idiot? Get over it.
 

StageLeft

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Yeah they suck. I think most buy them for cost savings, primarily, which they don't give yet.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
an accord hybrid saves 290 a year based on average of city and highway over ther regular v6, and also gets better acceleration
And costs more to buy.

 

0roo0roo

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i remeber reading that the average owner is a professional...smarter than the average joe. very few did it to "save money"
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
i remeber reading that the average owner is a professional...smarter than the average joe. very few did it to "save money"
Professional doesn't mean smart :)