HVAC help...House air conditioner/heater problems......Please help it is getting cold :(

TEEZLE

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I recently had the compressor in my AC unit replaced because of a shorted pin on the compressor. It was working fine for a week until it started blowing a fuse for it. I replaced the blown fuse and it worked fine. When I turned the heater off and then on again, one of the fuses blew again. Can a thermostat make one of the fuses blow? Please let me know. I need it working ASAP because it is cold here!!!

BTW - The compressor was replaced by a certified tech and the compressor was bought brand new. Thanks in advance.
 

Evadman

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if you are blowing fuses, it is the compressor 9 times out of 10. Either it is bad, or it was installed incorrectly.

Somehting could be keeping it from turning too, which would do the same thing.
 

MrPhelps

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Just don't do the ol replace the fuse with the next size up until it stops blowing trick.:)
 

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Originally posted by: MrPhelps
Just don't do the ol replace the fuse with the next size up until it stops blowing trick.:)

Notice that he said don't.

Can you call the people who did the original work right now? You should have a warranty on parts and labor.
 

sharkeeper

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Unless you have a heat pump, you're not using the compressor in the heating cycle!

If the air handler (furnace) isn't coming on at all even when you turn the thermostat fan setting to ON and the CB is tripped feeding your furnace, your compressor is NOT to blame.

If you're using a heat pump and it's tripping the CB feeding IT your furnace (blower) should still run. (unless the control xformer is run from the heat pump feed which is unlikely since most xformers are in the AHU)

Cheers!
 

TEEZLE

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Well guys I was using the wrong type of fuse. I had to use what is called a timed fuse. So I put it in and barely and heat was coming out. I go to my peeps house for 2 hours and when I get back it's only 5 degrees warmer, but the fan is still moving. So I said the hell with it and put it on Emergency heat and it blews hot ass air. So the heat pump looks ok. I know the capacitor supposedly was ok (since it wasn't swollen). I wait 30 minutes and go to put it on the normal heat setting and the fan doesn't turn!!! I even put it on fan only and it still doesn't move. I called the emergency number for the heating place and he said it could be the round capacitor. I will replace it tomorrow, hopefully I can find it at home depot. I'm new to this stuff guys so forgive me if I sound like a dummy. I'm just going to turn it off for right now and head on over to my g/f's house ;) I'm going to look one more time before I go and see if it is turning. Thanks for the help.

T
 

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Question: How old was your AC unit? And how much did the compressor replacement cost? Because typically if your AC is out of warranty and your compressor goes bad, the best idea is to replace the entire unit (and you can usually write up the replacement as electrical damage and collect some insurance, because there is really no other reason for the compressor to go bad anyhow). I do AC work in my dad's business, and people around this area typically charge up to $1000 for a compressor replacement, and you can get a whole new AC unit installed for $1400 to $1500 with a brand new warranty, etc.

Thermostats themselves can not make fuses blow, they are not wired directly into your house wiring but rather into control modules on the furnace (or the furnace and AC depending on your setup). And they work on low voltage anyhow (~24 volts). (Unless you are talking about some little fuse in the thermostat circuit, but it does not seem that way.)

It sounds like you might have been having power supply problems if one day your compressor goes and then a couple days later a fuse randomly goes. It is possible that there could have been some mishaps with the wiring in the compressor replacement, but that is unlikely if it ever worked at all. Now though, with the furnace blowing fuses, it might seem to be some house wiring problems, but you would need more history to accurately analyze that.

As far as what Garfang said: Can you call the people who did the original work right now? You should have a warranty on parts and labor.

You need to be careful about asking technicians to come back for warranty work on things that aren't actually warrantied and things that are warrantied but are not actually broken. First of all, your AC unit does not effect how your furnace runs (unless you are using a heat pump, but that's a different story). So, if you call up and think your AC/compressor might be problematic, but you're really not sure, and you just want them to come out and check things out, but it turns out that nothing is wrong with the compressor replacement, then you will be charged a bill, because these guys don't do check ups for free. If you do want to do some preliminary checking though, I would just call them up and run your situation by them (but not indicating in any way that you are looking for a warrant cop-out, that'll turn sour quick) just to see what they think of your problem and what they think you might want to do with it.

Funny warranty story: We installed a furnace in a customer's house about 7 years ago, and the guy called up a little while back indicating that his furnace wasn't working and asking if we could come out and check it out. We said sure, set him up for a service call, and then the guy said "I'm not gonna be charged for this, right?", we stumbled for a second and then said yeh - the guy started getting irrate and we told him that if we warrantied the furnace out 7 years, we would have had to charge him twice as much for the installation - the guy just hung up. Eh, whatcha gonna do?

Edit: Okay, nm, looks like you have a heat pump, so most of what I said is just bull plop :p - good luck with the capacitor. Make sure you try to discharge the old one before you take it out!

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TEEZLE

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Well, I'm at work now.

Actually I have a friend who works at a commercial hvac place, but she was able to order a compressor for $300 for me! So did it and I had to get my own person to replace it. Total cost was $650. The weird thing, the old compressor had a pin that broke on it, looked like it was arcing and broke the pin (one of the three power plug pins). So the guy who initially diagnosed it said I needed a new compressor (of course). The fuses that kept blowing were the ones outside the house next to the AC unit itself. The unit is 6 years old and ran out of warranty a year ago!

Edit: Okay, nm, looks like you have a heat pump, so most of what I said is just bull plop - good luck with the capacitor. Make sure you try to discharge the old one before you take it out!

I thought it was simply turning off the power at the breaker? Please let me know if there are any additional steps. Also, do you think the capacitor can be picked up at Home Depot or something? It's a tube shaped cannister looking thing. So do you think it can be the capacitor bleckywelcky?

You guys are great :)
 

TEEZLE

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Guys I came home today and turned on the heater again. The fan is working?! That means it didn't blow any fuses. It was getting warm air at first and then it started getting cool after about 10 minutes :( I put the heater on emergency heat and the air got hot?! What's your guys opinions on this? Do you think it is the compressor or what? Please help. I called the installer and hopefully he will call me in the morning. I just don't want him to come over and overcharge me for sometihing I can take care of.

Thanks again.
 

Evadman

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I am not 100% familiar with heat pumps and the way they are built, but I know electricity, and what HD carries.


That round thing is a capacitor. A Big Ass capaciter. Home Depot will not carry it. You can probably still get it there though. Did I confuse you yet? :p Ask for a Maintance Wearhouse catalog. It will solve that problem. (did I mention that HD fired the most frigging knoledgable person working at my store?!? )

As for the fuses blowing... Make sure you are using the correct fuses. I am pretty sure that you need slow-blow's that will let the compressor motor pull more amperage than rated for short periods ( like start up ).

You can not replace the compressor yourself. You have to capture and re-insert the refrigerant. No way you can do that. The refrigerant lines are usually brazed on as well, none of those nifty screw on connectors here buddy. You may also have to do a through cleaning of the entire system, because if the compressor tries to run while it is burned out, it can create acid that will eat through the system over time.

Emergency heat is an add on device usually included with most heat pump systems. Your pump is NOT working. The Emergency heat is a gas or electric furnace. Trust me, you have one. Or you would not have that button.

(Did I mention I love knowing everything yet?)
 

PsychoAndy

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Originally posted by: Evadman
I am not 100% familiar with heat pumps and the way they are built, but I know electricity, and what HD carries.


That round thing is a capacitor. A Big Ass capaciter. Home Depot will not carry it. You can probably still get it there though. Did I confuse you yet? :p Ask for a Maintance Wearhouse catalog. It will solve that problem. (did I mention that HD fired the most frigging knoledgable person working at my store?!? )

As for the fuses blowing... Make sure you are using the correct fuses. I am pretty sure that you need slow-blow's that will let the compressor motor pull more amperage than rated for short periods ( like start up ).

You can not replace the compressor yourself. You have to capture and re-insert the refrigerant. No way you can do that. The refrigerant lines are usually brazed on as well, none of those nifty screw on connectors here buddy. You may also have to do a through cleaning of the entire system, because if the compressor tries to run while it is burned out, it can create acid that will eat through the system over time.

Emergency heat is an add on device usually included with most heat pump systems. Your pump is NOT working. The Emergency heat is a gas or electric furnace. Trust me, you have one. Or you would not have that button.

(Did I mention I love knowing everything yet?)

You can find a capactitor for your compressor right next to the 200 amp tri-phase industrial fuses at HD. :p

Evad knows what I'm talking about.

You'll need to see an industrial supply store. IIRC, Grainger is one of the national ones. Check your yellow pages for industrial electrical suppply.

-PAB

EDIT: Holy toledo.....does this mean I was RIGHT?
 

TEEZLE

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Thanks a lot guys for the replies. Do you think the capacitor is bad? I am probably going to get the capacitor anyways since the hvac company didn't call me back yet :( I am hoping t is not my compressor that went bad. Also, do you think my thermostat on the wall is bad? Does this actually control the temperature of the air that comes out? Also, is there a thermostat in the outside unit as well? Thanks for the replies and helping me to pinpoint what is going on. I greatly appreciate it !!!!

T
 

TEEZLE

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Any ideas? I didn't replace the capacitor. How do I discharge it? HELP!!!
 

TEEZLE

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oh i see. Going to hopefully try and get the heat working normally tomorrow.
 

Evadman

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Your thermastat just controls when the unot turns on and off, not the temeature of air it blows ( unless you have way way way to much money, then you can get a furnace that can regulate its power output.)

I would not bother with the cap. They are pretty tough to break. Just have someone replace the compressor and call it even.

PAB: Tri-phase... Yummy! Aand you are correct about the Cap. it can blow. And I do mean blow. picture and site My HD used to carry parts for tri-phase power. We even carried panels by square D for them :p Fuses and everything. But my store was one of the few (6 IIRC ) Type 5 stores, meaning 160k-200k sq feet. We had everything. That is one of the reasons i know so much. I used to just go and wander on my breaks and find a product package to read, then call up a vender and ask stupid questins.

My ex-store from satalite Little does my ex-employer know: I can control satilites! I have hacked into the U.S's main defence computers, and am now reading to make this one big ass crater :p

For scale, you can either use the parking lot, or think of it this way. Ya see those grey splotches ont he roof? Those are hvac units. Each one is enough to heat a 10,000 sq ft office building, and there are 57 of them :p Oh, and that red and white building across the street in the middle? That is Bostan Market. They have good eats, and gave the millwork department discounts because I fixed their front door on my lunch hour last summer :)
 

PsychoAndy

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Originally posted by: Evadman
Your thermastat just controls when the uniot turns on and off, but the temeature of air it blows ( unless you have way way way to much money, then you can get a furnace that can regulate its power output.

I would not bother with the cap. They are pretty tough to break. Just have someone replace the compressor and call it even.

PAB: Tri-phase... Yummy! Aand you are only right if the Maintance Wearhouse Catalog is right next to a peg with nothing on it. My Home Depot used to carry 200 amp cartrages for tri-phase actually :p But my store was one of 6 Type 5 stores in the world. Type 5 = biggest. 160k-200k sq feet.

My ex-store from satalite Little does my ex-employer know: I can control satilites! I have hacked into the U.S's main defence computers, and am now reading to make this one big ass crater :p

Damn. Dad lost one of the 200 amps at restaurant 1.0 about 4 years ago.

I was telling a friend how he was running around town on a tuesday night looking for fuses.

"Dude! Lowes knows!"
"Lowes DONT know 200 amp tri phase. Thats for damn sure"

We wound up going to a local electric supply rather than Grainger ($12 cheaper!) at 7 AM.

-PAB
 

miniMUNCH

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I have sh1t loads of fuses at work...not much help right now.

Do you have a multimeter? I use my multimeter at work more than a pencil...

<-- control system dude at work
 

TEEZLE

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I would not bother with the cap. They are pretty tough to break. Just have someone replace the compressor and call it even.

The compressor is brand new and already has been replaced. I have a one year warranty on it but I am probably going to have to fork over the money for the labor again!! :( I am pissed.. LMK what you guys think I should do next. Do you think the compressor is faulty?
 

911paramedic

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Is it the original thermostat or have you replaced it ever? Some of them work with some systems and some will not. I tried to read through all the posts but could not figure that out.

The other thing is (also did not see) is that it may be drawing more power than the last, so it is overloading that circuit.
 

Evadman

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I am confused.

Actually I have a friend who works at a commercial hvac place, but she was able to order a compressor for $300 for me! So did it and I had to get my own person to replace it. Total cost was $650. The weird thing, the old compressor had a pin that broke on it, looked like it was arcing and broke the pin (one of the three power plug pins). So the guy who initially diagnosed it said I needed a new compressor (of course). The fuses that kept blowing were the ones outside the house next to the AC unit itself. The unit is 6 years old and ran out of warranty a year ago!

Taht seems to say you know the compressor is broken. :confused:
 

TEEZLE

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Well, let me clear it up better guys. My original compressor had a broken power pin (one of the three pins that the wiring harness plugs into). It looked like it was arcing and caused the pin to break. One of the two fuses that's located outside next to the unit was also blown and had build up at the contact. But of course I needed a new compressor because the repair kit wouldn't work because the pin was broken at the bottom. I have a friend who works at a commercial HVAC service place and she said she can order a brand new compressor for me but I have to get my own installer because I was a residential and not commercial. So I bought one at cost for $300. I got a residential company to install it for me for. It worked fine for a week before it blew one of the fuses again. I called the installer and he said I needed time delayed fuses. The present ones were not so I replaced them both with the time delayed fuses. Now the unit does not blow the fuses but only coldish air blows into the house. I now have it on the emergency heat switch and it blows very hot air. But when I put it on regular heat the air turns cool again! The guy who istalled it is supposed to come over on Tuesday. I am hoping he can find something small wrong with it. Because if it is the compressor wouldn't I have to pay the installer again since I didn't buy it from them? I know it's a lot to read and I appreciate your guys help :)

T