Husband killed due to wifes ignorance of guns.

[Specop 007]

You dont have to like guns, but for the safety of you and your loved ones you should know how to use them and keep one tucked away.

And heres another person that would still be alive had the wife not "hated guns".

Article

Widow vows to find husband's killer

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (WVLT) -- "This is my husband. That's the best part of me," Vickie Graves told WVLT, as she held a picture of her husband Billy. "That's the only part of me. And I've lost it."

Now a widow, Graves says after the tears comes the anger and determination.

She's ready to talk about what happened Saturday night when two masked men forced their way into her home at 9920 Washington Pike.

"We have a sensor on our driveway and I heard two buzzes," Graves explained.

That noise interrupted the couple's movie night.
They weren't expecting anyone, so Billy got up to see who it was.

"The door was jerked open and this guy just wrapped his arms around him," Graves said, recalling when the masked men burst in.

The first man grabbed Billy, the second waved a weapon.

"He had that gun pointed and he was hollering 'sit down, sit down,' " Graves told WVLT.

Next came a struggle. Billy went for a gun in the bedroom. That's when Vickie heard gunfire.

She says she had nothing to lose at that point, so she reached for another gun kept in the living room.

"I kept pulling the trigger and just pulling, pulling, pulling. I couldn't get the safety. I don't know. I hate guns."

She couldn't fire, but Vickie was able to get a look at that man's face.

"I reached up and I pulled his toboggan off and threw it in the floor and I also pulled his bandanna down, so I do know what he looks like," Graves said.

The suspects rushed out of there, quickly after that taking the safe they had come for.

Graves says she's not sure what they thought was in there, but they only got away with a coin collection.

"I just want them to know that they killed Bill for a quarter," Graves said through tears.

Graves says only about five people knew about that safe, so she can only imagine someone told those men where it was.

Investigators are working several leads, but if you have any information, please call (865) 215-2243.

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[dphantom]

I am not sure about the husband still being alive as it appears the husband was shot and then the wife pulled out the second gun.

But I do agree if you have guns in the home, everyone needs to know the proper use of the weapons, how to handle them and so forth.

Otherwise, you are asking for trouble.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: dphantom
I am not sure about the husband still being alive as it appears the husband was shot and then the wife pulled out the second gun.

But I do agree if you have guns in the home, everyone needs to know the proper use of the weapons, how to handle them and so forth.

Otherwise, you are asking for trouble.

I agree completely. Her husband may still be dead, but it's much more likely that this crime would be solved if she had known how to handle herself with a gun.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: dphantom
I am not sure about the husband still being alive as it appears the husband was shot and then the wife pulled out the second gun.

But I do agree if you have guns in the home, everyone needs to know the proper use of the weapons, how to handle them and so forth.

Otherwise, you are asking for trouble.

I agree completely. Her husband may still be dead, but it's much more likely that this crime would be solved if she had known how to handle herself with a gun.

The crime will be solved, it's obviously an acquaintance.

As usual OP uses a misleading title to start a flame war, way to go champ.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

what would have happened if the guy did not go after his gun, just let them rob him?

 

[JulesMaximus]

You can't blame the woman for not wanting to learn how to handle firearms nor can you blame her for the death of her husband.

The topic title of this thread is a blatant lie and the OP should be banned for even suggesting that this poor woman was in any way responsible for her husband's death. :thumbsdown:

Unless she hired the two guys who broke in and killed her husband she is completely without blame in this incident.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Graves says only about five people knew about that safe, so she can only imagine someone told those men where it was.

This is what stands out for me. Choosing your friends and your neighborhood with care do more for your safety than a loaded 9mm on a nightstand.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: dphantom
I am not sure about the husband still being alive as it appears the husband was shot and then the wife pulled out the second gun.

But I do agree if you have guns in the home, everyone needs to know the proper use of the weapons, how to handle them and so forth.

Otherwise, you are asking for trouble.

I agree completely. Her husband may still be dead, but it's much more likely that this crime would be solved if she had known how to handle herself with a gun.

The crime will be solved, it's obviously an acquaintance.

As usual OP uses a misleading title to start a flame war, way to go champ.

You realize if the woman would have went for the gun right as they forced their way into the house and plugged their asses full of lead this could have been a completely different story right? Its not misleading, its the outright truth.

Admittedly another lesson to be learned from this is a solid front door is a good thing to have and can delay or turn away intruders.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
You can't blame the woman for not wanting to learn how to handle firearms nor can you blame her for the death of her husband. The entire premise for this thread is ridiculous. :thumbsdown:

Maybe not legally no. But morally most certainly. The tools were available to her to defend her live and the lives of those she loved. She chose not to learn how to use them.

Would you hold a mom accountable if she did not learn how to use a car seat and seatbelt for her infant and ended up in a wreck which injured or killed the infant? Or would you say "Well, its not her fault, she shouldnt be expected to know how to use a tool to keep her child safe"?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
You can't blame the woman for not wanting to learn how to handle firearms nor can you blame her for the death of her husband. The entire premise for this thread is ridiculous. :thumbsdown:

Yeah, you can. Especially when they are in the house anyway. She may not have been able to save her husband, but what about the next person these guys rob and kill? It's a flat out miracle the woman is even still alive herself. This woman is a witness to murder who saw the killers' faces and tried to shoot them and they left her alive? The woman might still be in danger, and these guys know she doesn't know how to use a gun.

 

[daishi5]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
You can't blame the woman for not wanting to learn how to handle firearms nor can you blame her for the death of her husband. The entire premise for this thread is ridiculous. :thumbsdown:

The premise is ridiculous. From the story it sounds very unlikely that the woman could have saved the day with a gun. This is a tragedy, there is very little else this is. I believe a person should have the right to own almost any gun they want, carry it if they are licensed, and I believe most of our gun restrictions are useless. However, I also believe that this woman has every right to not want to learn how to use a gun, and that should be respected. If she did not want to learn how to use a gun, I doubt she could have used it in a proper manner in this type of high stress situation. Her decision should be respected, not mocked. Not everyone can react well under stress.

Edit: My english teacher would be ashamed.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
You can't blame the woman for not wanting to learn how to handle firearms nor can you blame her for the death of her husband. The entire premise for this thread is ridiculous. :thumbsdown:

Maybe not legally no. But morally most certainly. The tools were available to her to defend her live and the lives of those she loved. She chose not to learn how to use them.

Would you hold a mom accountable if she did not learn how to use a car seat and seatbelt for her infant and ended up in a wreck which injured or killed the infant? Or would you say "Well, its not her fault, she shouldnt be expected to know how to use a tool to keep her child safe"?

You can MORALLY blame her? Are you an idiot?

 

[Dissipate]

Her husband made the stupid and unfortunate move of going for a gun in the bedroom. If he let them have what they wanted (the safe) he would probably still be alive. Blaming the wife is dumb.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
You can't blame the woman for not wanting to learn how to handle firearms nor can you blame her for the death of her husband. The entire premise for this thread is ridiculous. :thumbsdown:

Maybe not legally no. But morally most certainly. The tools were available to her to defend her live and the lives of those she loved. She chose not to learn how to use them.

Would you hold a mom accountable if she did not learn how to use a car seat and seatbelt for her infant and ended up in a wreck which injured or killed the infant? Or would you say "Well, its not her fault, she shouldnt be expected to know how to use a tool to keep her child safe"?

Morally? :roll: Bull-fucking-shit. I own guns and my wife has absolutely zero interest in them, I'm not going to pressure her to do something she has no interest in at all in the off chance that one day she may have to defend herself with one. It's her choice to make, not mine.

A car is something 99% of people use every single day. A gun is something 99% of the people rarely or almost never use. You're comparing apples to oranges.

Unless she hired the two guys who broke in and killed her husband she is completely without blame in this incident.

 

[RKDaley]

The first man grabbed Billy, the second waved a weapon.

"He had that gun pointed and he was hollering 'sit down, sit down,' " Graves told WVLT.

Next came a struggle. Billy went for a gun in the bedroom. That's when Vickie heard gunfire.

She says she had nothing to lose at that point, so she reached for another gun kept in the living room.

The article indicates the husband went for the guns and was susequently shot.

You realize if the woman would have went for the gun right as they forced their way into the house and plugged their asses full of lead this could have been a completely different story right?

If. Perhaps if she had gone for the gun, the husband would be the widower being interviewed, and you'd have people blaming him for his wife's death.

The title of this thread is misleading.

 

[glenn1]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
You can't blame the woman for not wanting to learn how to handle firearms nor can you blame her for the death of her husband. The entire premise for this thread is ridiculous. :thumbsdown:

Maybe not legally no. But morally most certainly. The tools were available to her to defend her live and the lives of those she loved. She chose not to learn how to use them.

Would you hold a mom accountable if she did not learn how to use a car seat and seatbelt for her infant and ended up in a wreck which injured or killed the infant? Or would you say "Well, its not her fault, she shouldnt be expected to know how to use a tool to keep her child safe"?

Not to speak ill of the dead, but if the husband had bought a revolver instead, then we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Especially considering his wife was pretty much typical of 99.9% of women out there who irrationally dislike firearms and have no idea of how to operate them. Heck, that last part probably describes the majority of the men on this forum too.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
You can't blame the woman for not wanting to learn how to handle firearms nor can you blame her for the death of her husband. The entire premise for this thread is ridiculous. :thumbsdown:

Maybe not legally no. But morally most certainly. The tools were available to her to defend her live and the lives of those she loved. She chose not to learn how to use them.

Would you hold a mom accountable if she did not learn how to use a car seat and seatbelt for her infant and ended up in a wreck which injured or killed the infant? Or would you say "Well, its not her fault, she shouldnt be expected to know how to use a tool to keep her child safe"?

Not to speak ill of the dead, but if the husband had bought a revolver instead, then we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Especially considering his wife was pretty much typical of 99.9% of women out there who irrationally dislike firearms and have no idea of how to operate them. Heck, that last part probably describes the majority of the men on this forum too.

He might still be dead...only it might have been her who shot him. :laugh:

This thread is flame-bait and the topic title is complete bullshit. There is no way this is even remotely the wife's fault despite what the troll who posted this states.

 

[MovingTarget]

Although I do think that the OP's title is misleading, I do believe that everyone should be taught proper safety wrt firearms. You may dislike firearms, and opt to never have one in your home, but as a citizen with 2nd amendment rights, you should know how to responsibly handle them...

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Although I do think that the OP's title is misleading, I do believe that everyone should be taught proper safety wrt firearms. You may dislike firearms, and opt to never have one in your home, but as a citizen with 2nd amendment rights, you should know how to responsibly handle them...

What's wrong with just not handling them? I see no reason to force people who have zero interest in shooting to know how to handle firearms. That's like forcing someone who doesn't drink to go to an AA meeting.

I took my wife to a shooting range once many many years ago and she shut her eyes and flinched every time she pulled the trigger...in short, she hated it. Not because she's afraid of guns but because she just didn't enjoy any aspect of it. I asked her to go several times after but she didn't want to. I can respect her opinion and I don't ask her anymore. I'm sure as hell not going to force her to.

You guys make it sound as though everyone needs to be armed all the time to thwart the forces of evil...as though you're some sort of super-hero. Honestly, you just sound paranoid and, in the case of the OP, stupid.

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
what would have happened if the guy did not go after his gun, just let them rob him?

He would have lost his manhood and become a librul!

Who knows, maybe they would have raped his wife! It's the first things conservatives can think of in a situation like that.

 

[ScottyB]

I don't understand how some retarded people function in life.

Example: Little kid has lollipop stolen by teenager. Retard blames little kid for not knowing karate and fighting off the thief.

How do these types of people even figure out how to breathe?

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Although I do think that the OP's title is misleading, I do believe that everyone should be taught proper safety wrt firearms. You may dislike firearms, and opt to never have one in your home, but as a citizen with 2nd amendment rights, you should know how to responsibly handle them...

What's wrong with just not handling them? I see no reason to force people who have zero interest in shooting to know how to handle firearms. That's like forcing someone who doesn't drink to go to an AA meeting.

I took my wife to a shooting range once many many years ago and she shut her eyes and flinched every time she pulled the trigger...in short, she hated it. Not because she's afraid of guns but because she just didn't enjoy any aspect of it. I asked her to go several times after but she didn't want to. I can respect her opinion and I don't ask her anymore. I'm sure as hell not going to force her to.

You guys make it sound as though everyone needs to be armed all the time to thwart the forces of evil...as though you're some sort of super-hero. Honestly, you just sound paranoid.

Not at all. I don't think that anyone should be forced to handle a firearm if they do not want to. Teaching basic safety courses is not equivalent to requiring people to be armed. It isn't like we should require people qualify a basic marksmanship test. I do not in any way advocate that. However, if people knew how to safely handle firearms, then we'd have a lot less in the way of accidents. Those who know firearms are also less apt to use them when they shouldn't. I think that it is a fair trade-off we can make as a society...

 

[classy]

You gotta just love the "internet gunslingers" :roll:. For you to blame the wife is so damn stupid it doesn't need clarifying.

 

[spidey07]

It's a tragedy but if they are in the house all occupants must know how to use them. You could make the jump that her unwillingness did contribute to his death in a negligence sort of way. It would be similar to losing a child in your pool because you didn't know basic CPR or resuscitation, it would suck but could have possibly been avoided with a little training.

And LOL at people saying let them take what they want. Robbers pointed a weapon at them, that right there is a deadly threat and shows intent to kill.

 

[StageLeft]

That sucks. No way to know what would have happened with guns, though. Probably a great fvcking alarm on a pole on their roof blasting to the neighbors what was happening could have done something to scare off the intruders.

Home invaders are truly the lowest kind of criminal, I put them right there with rapists.