Huntin q

[warlord]

alright, I'm only looking for a response from those interested in hunting. please restrain from flames

I'm looking at buying a new high power rifle this year. I mostly hunt white tail, but I would like a gun I can use for possible elk or moose hunts too, hey I gotta look to the future. I have narrowed my choice to a the new ruger rifles, the synthetic stock ones, but what caliber should I go with, 30-06 or 7mm?

thanks for the input.

 

[Killbat]

Can't go wrong with a good .50.

 

[Duckers]

warlord,

How much money are you willing to pay ?

 

[warlord]

.50 :Q I would like to keep the meat so I can eat the rest of the year

this is the style i'm lookin at duckers http://www.ruger-firearms.com/rfpages/kmrp.html I really like these guns, so I'll probably go with this in either caliber I've mentioned.

why, what were you going to tell me to look at? I'm always open to suggestions.

 

[rgb7]

Stay w/the .06..., IMO.

 

[Shuxclams]

Model 70 in 30-06, although the 7mm would be tempting I think the 30-06 would be ebtter all around. BTW, when I was on my fishing trip this weekend I saw about 2 dozen deer, a dozen turkeys and a pack of boar, only thing in season is boar, but then again its a better hunt if you have a gun with you.


SHUX

 

[Raincity]

The 30-06 would be okay for elk but my personal favorite is the good old 308 with just a standard military ball round will do wonders taking down a large elk.


Rain

 

[Outfits]

warlord,I'm going to assume you mean the 7mm Mag,if you can handle they heavier recoil go with the Mag.If you mean the 7x57 i would suggest the 06.If you reload you are set,if not buy a major manuf. "Supreme" type ammo for your Elk hunt.
Raincity, I don't know where you live but "ball" type ammo is not legal for hunting protected game in my state or any others i've hunted in.It would net you around $300 in fine,loss of your weapon and possibly hunting privledges for a year to three.

 

[Raincity]

Boy Oufits, what state do you live in that such extreme hunting laws outlawing using a standard lead ball round. I have only hunted for elk and buck as a resident here in NV and nonesident in CO and ID and there was no restrictions like that. We could use a miltary ball round or hollowpoints if you prefer.We have the usual restrictions like no hunting at night and no handguns ect, no restrictions on using standard ammo. As in Losing drawing rights for three years would really suck here in NV since My hunting party usally gets gets drawn every third year. My state love's to whore out to non resident license's to CA and we get alot of people from southern ca who never get drawn as a resident there' drive over 500 miles to hunt in Northern NV.

Rain

 

[PCAddict]

I'd go for the .30-06 without hesitation. It offers lots of versatility.

 

[warlord]

outfits, yes I did mean the 7mm mag. the larger recoil is one of the reasons I was considering the 06, and I will be able to load my own rounds so I still could use it for elk.

thanks a lot for the input guys. I'm going to think about it some more, but I will probably end up with the 06.

 

[hubbs]

30-06's are really nice guns. They also pack one hell of a punch

I'd go w/the 30-06 if I were in your shoes. I do believe my dad used a 7mm for when he went elk hunting. But that was because he had just sold his 30-06.

 

[desy]

Ok
Here is something to think about. Since you are mostly hunting white-tail I'd stick with a .270 and buy a bush gun for moose and Elk
Sounds like you are buying a pretty nice gun and Elk and Moose live in some pretty rough country my Uncles and Father-in law all use "beaters" without scopes whne they go for Elk and Moose

 

[AaronP]

Yep, go with the .06 no reason to mess around with anything else. My old man picked a whitetail off at 300 yards while it was running at full speed with an .06 a couple years a go. At the same time, this other guy with a lever action .270 was getting really frustrated, that might have been more to do with his aim though.

I like bolt action the best, but semi auto is good if you get a high quality one that won't jam when your in a pinch.

 

[Spearfodder]

Either will certainly work. The aught-six is more versitale, much more loadings available for it, but the 7mm is a better flat shooter. Comes down to personal preference I'd say. I'd go with the 30-06 just because you can hunt more with it just by changing loads. Heck I think you can even still get those sabot rounds from rem with 55 grain varmint rounds in them...

 

[BuckMaster]

I love my 30-06 BoltAction Browning! I can kill a Cock-Roach at 300Yards

BTW...Shuxclams isnt that how it always happens? You go fishing and see all kinds of Wildlife!(You have No Gun) Then you go hunting and come across all kinds of cool ponds with BIG BASS! (You have No Fishing Pole) :|

 

[warlord]

I was starting to think the 06 is the better choice too, like you guys said, I can change loads for versatility.

I'm not going with a semi-auto because I of my expierence with them last season. I took a shot a decent 4x4, but was too low, I got him back in my sights, pulled the trigger... nothing, I looked at down at the gun, and there is a shell jammed in the ejection port :|:|:| I was pissed. I guess if I was good I would have hit it on the first shot.

anyhow, I'm going with the bolt action, I've shot this style gun a few times and love it. now, to decide on the scope...

 

[BuckMaster]

Some Scopes can get more expenisive then the gun. Im using a Bushneil Scope, I cant remember the power of the scope off hand. It cost me a little over a $100.00. Which is a cheap scope now days.

 

[Prong]

Warlord,
In my opinion you can't really go wrong with either. I have and use both 30-06 and 7MM Mag. When you get right down to it, there's little difference bewteen the two. If I understand you correctly, you say you reload? If so, an '06 with a 150 grain Hornady Interlock or 7 Mag with a 139 grain Interlock is just the ticket for deer. If you want to step up to Elk and Moose, use a 180gr. in the 06 or a 162gr in the 7 Mag. As far as scopes go, you can't beat a Weaver or Leupold in a 3-9X. The Weaver can be had for about $150 and the Leupold (Vari X II) for about $230. I learned that if you spend the $$ now for a good scope, you wont have to keep replacing the cheap POS scopes several times. ANd count on those cheap scopes dying when you need it the most. Good Luck and let us know what you decide.

 

[BuckMaster]

Prong,

Has brought up some good points here on the bullet grains and scopes.
Leupold scopes as suppose to be VERY nice. Myself never could afford one. I wish I could afford a Leupold scope. Hes right thought IF you have the money buy one it will out last most scopes in rain, sleet and snow with out fogging up. I use to shoot 150 grain bullets but went up to 180 grain to get a little more knock down power. 220 grain is over doing it for deer were I live in Kentucky. Most of my shots are less then 150 Yards. When i hunt a corn field or soe bean field its nice to reach out and touch one The good thing about my Browning A-Bolt is it has a muzzle on the end of it i can set for differant grain bullets so i wont have to site my scope in for differant grain of bullets after i shoot each grain and set it in.

I bought me a Knight Muzzleoader 50 Cal. thats really nice. I bought it 2 years ago and the past two years i killed a deer with it. Its pretty cool killing Deer with a muzzleloader. Just make sure that first shot counts!

And remember: Take a Kid Fishing or Hunting!

 

[warlord]

buck, muzzleloader are a lot of fun. last season was my first with a muzzleloader, I borrowed my roommates brothers, .50, I don't remember who made it. I will say this, it can be frustrating, that is one slow ball wind plays a bigger factor than I accounted for when I took the few shots I had last year, but it is definately a challenge.

the same roommate can get a discount on scopes, so maybe I will take a stretch, and spend the extra on a leupold.

thanks for all the input guys.

and buck, since the first time I saw your sig, I loved it.


<< Take a KID Fishing or Hunting. >>

 

[Outfits]

warlord, you might check ballistics tables and reloading data for both, I have three rifles in 06 and none in 7 mag but if I was starting from scratch and handloading I think I would go with the mag.
It is just more versatile especially for one gun hunters. The recoil can be tamed some by using lighter bullets and slower burning powder for smaller game(whitetail,antelope,pigs) or a muzzle brake or porting(my favorite).

Raincity, I live in New Mexico, and they whore out the draws here also. I've only drawn out for 1 regular Elk hunt,never for Oryx,Ibex,and Antelope. I've just about given up now. Here is a quote from the NM Big Game Proclamation &quot;Hunters may use only soft-nosed or hollowpointed bullets. Full-metal-jacketed bullets areillegal.&quot;ect.ect..This is from Colorado's &quot;d. use expanding bullets that weigh at least 70 grains for deer, antelope and bear, 85 grains for elk and moose, and have an impact energy (at 100 yards) of 1,000 ft. pounds as rated by the manufacturer.&quot; Military ball or full metal jacketed ammo is not considered as a expanding type.I personally am suprised any state would allow hunting protected game with ball ammo and as you can see Colorado does NOT.http://www.dnr.state.co.us/wildlife/brochures00/20bg/2000bgbrochure.htm this is thier brochure page d/l the General Information, Table of Contents pdf page 6. You might want to check this issue out a little more,I could not find a site for your state.

 

[Raincity]

Your right Outfits, I just looked in the 2000 Hunt book and it now shows full metal jacket round as unlawful now. I do believe that this has been changed in the last 5 years because Im quite certain that it wasnt unlawfull before in the mid 90's. I then apoligize for the misinformation. I have also given up for ever getting drawn for elk when its hard to get drawn for buck in the most populated and least hunted area in rifle season. I am also stupid enough to write out a check for a big horn sheep tag knowing that my chances of getting drawn as a resident are the same as winning a big jackpot in a state lottery.

Rain

 

[Outfits]

Raincity, no need for an apology,different states have different laws. I have been at this a long time, things do change,but anyone who goes hunting and doesn't read the rules deserves the ticket they may get. Here we don't have to draw for Deer yet,except for entry permit hunts. Good luck on your draw, someone has to get drawn.