Hung jury in LA Police Brutality Case

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Staley8

Originally posted by: Rogue

As far as the "letting go of the sack" question. Properly trained officers, which I'm sure this guy was, would simply wrench the cuffs up on his wrists, or strike him in any number of other places on his person. There is training called PPCT that most officers get now days that uses non-lethal, court approved pressure points that are easy to strike and leave no long term damage to the subject. Behind the ear, on the back of the neck, fingers, perennial nerve, there were many more alternatives that I'm sure he knew and chose not to take.

I'm sorry but when someone has a death grip on your nads, your first instinct is not to figure out a non-leathel, department approved way of removed his grip. Your instinct is to stop the pain as quickly as possible. If stopping the pain means smashing the guys head onto the hood then so be it. If someone grabbed my sack and squeezed, I'd bash him upside the head, put an elbow in his back, or do pretty much anything I had to in order to stop his assult on me. Trials like this are overblown and are racism bait by the media.

Ok, then why did you people push so hard to make it so easy to sue the police for the slightest indiscretion? YOU THE CITIZENS brought this UPON the officers. They have to stray from all signs of impropriety otherwise they can be sued and lose their job.

 

[Zebo]

If it were you and you were slammed on the trunk of a car alone, very forcefully I might add, you would cry like little bitches and go to court first chance you

That's a BIG if. I would'nt be and niether would 99% of the popluation who were respectful, compliant and did thier best to make the officers job easier. This kid was a punk from the get go, screaming at the officers, stuggleing with them..etc. Only thing the system has done now is make him more embolden next time and will make the job all that much harder for the next officer who arrests him. And he will be arrested again with his attitude and probably become a manace to society breaking laws, suing the officers, suing the jail, suing the prison etc etc.

Ho hum... I miss the old days... when a cop could use more 'discression' Crime was lower and prisons were less full.


..and there is no excuse for the RK incident... that was just flat out sadism.

 

[Dragnov]

Eh, cop shouldnt' have done what he did, but I don't really care much that he did since the kid definitely deserved it.

I don't give a fsck what race the cop or kid was, as it holds no relevance.

Personally, I would give the now ex-cop a bunch of community service hours, but 3 years in jail?! Hell no.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Millennium
I have to say I agree with Rogue here. The brutality is not needed. BTW, don't forget that Rogue is a Cop.

OK, that is reason for his biased opinion.

Many times the Cops get an Us vs Them attitude (yes I have Law Enforcement Friends) That explains Rogues attitude and I can fully understand where he is coming from. In fact I take my hat off to him. I can't imagine a more stressful job in America.

 

[bbkat]

Umm, did anyone see or hear of evidence that the nuts were actually grabbed? I remember at the time of the incident they showed like five different camera angles and the kid didn't appear to get a grip in any of them.

Every post so far has assumed they were. The camera didn't show anything but it clearly showed the kid getting slammed and punched.

Then again, the Rodney King tape ended up having little effect on the jurors...

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Millennium
I have to say I agree with Rogue here. The brutality is not needed. BTW, don't forget that Rogue is a Cop.

I dont care if he is a cop, he hasnt nor has the public seen the entire evidence that the jury was shown. Hell my brother was more than roughed up by eight cops, he was white, nothing ever came of it.

I think assaulting someone outside of what is necessary constitutes brutality. This is what I have been taught by all my professors, and what pretty much any LEO has ever told me. Trumping up the charges prevents the officer or the municipality from being liable. In today's litigious society, brutality bankrupts cities, costs people their jobs, and restricts city services. You haven't thought your position through.

Hey, it made the punk let go of his balls.

 

[Zebo]

DA To Retry Inglewood Officer

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: bbkat
Umm, did anyone see or hear of evidence that the nuts were actually grabbed? I remember at the time of the incident they showed like five different camera angles and the kid didn't appear to get a grip in any of them.

Every post so far has assumed they were. The camera didn't show anything but it clearly showed the kid getting slammed and punched.

Then again, the Rodney King tape ended up having little effect on the jurors...

The jury saw another tape that the public never saw. Like I said up earlier in the thread, we DO NOT KNOW all the evidence the jury was given. I didnt say a thing about nuts either, as I dont know, but I do know there was another video tape the media and public never saw.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Zebo
DA To Retry Inglewood Officer

Yeah, I really dont see how they will get a jury to give a 12-0 conviction considering this jury was 5-7 which is almost unheard of when it comes to hung juries. I just dont forsee this guy ever getting convicted, maybe if it was 10-2, or 9-3, but this was deadlocked at 6-6 before the final vote that turned it to 5-7 and then told the judge they gave up on reaching a verdict.

 

[Rogue]

I think it's a waste to retry it myself. Chances are, the guy will never be a cop again, guilty verdict or not, especially with all the publicity surrounding the case.

As for me being a cop and being biased. You're damn straight I am! If I ever saw or found out that one of my patrolman pulled some stuff like that for that reason, I'd be doing paperwork on them charging my own officer with assault. It was simply uncalled for. I can't see how, when in the video you see the officer even rear back and ball his hand for another shot, that they can't say he was over the line. Well, maybe the second time around they'll get him, but I doubt it.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Rogue
I think it's a waste to retry it myself. Chances are, the guy will never be a cop again, guilty verdict or not, especially with all the publicity surrounding the case.

As for me being a cop and being biased. You're damn straight I am! If I ever saw or found out that one of my patrolman pulled some stuff like that for that reason, I'd be doing paperwork on them charging my own officer with assault. It was simply uncalled for. I can't see how, when in the video you see the officer even rear back and ball his hand for another shot, that they can't say he was over the line. Well, maybe the second time around they'll get him, but I doubt it.

You da Man guy and I would hope that most cops would be like you! A Big thumbs up!!!!

 

[bbkat]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: bbkat
Umm, did anyone see or hear of evidence that the nuts were actually grabbed? I remember at the time of the incident they showed like five different camera angles and the kid didn't appear to get a grip in any of them.

The jury saw another tape that the public never saw. Like I said up earlier in the thread, we DO NOT KNOW all the evidence the jury was given. I didnt say a thing about nuts either, as I dont know, but I do know there was another video tape the media and public never saw.

Maybe....but I never saw one bit of emotion in Morse's face in the moment's leading up to the body slam that would have indicated the slightest discomfort.

Originally posted by: Rogue
I think it's a waste to retry it myself. Chances are, the guy will never be a cop again, guilty verdict or not, especially with all the publicity surrounding the case.

I agree. Waste of time and money. Neither cop will wear a badge again, and the kid will make bank in the civil trial. Just get it over with.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Zebo
DA To Retry Inglewood Officer

Yeah, I really dont see how they will get a jury to give a 12-0 conviction considering this jury was 5-7 which is almost unheard of when it comes to hung juries. I just dont forsee this guy ever getting convicted, maybe if it was 10-2, or 9-3, but this was deadlocked at 6-6 before the final vote that turned it to 5-7 and then told the judge they gave up on reaching a verdict.

They're calling the the fact that they're retrying him, "Our gift to the black community for not rioting after the initial verdict."

Does that seem fscked up to anyone else? Might as well say, "Hey, as long as you don't riot like a bunch of fscktards, we'll keep retrying them until we get the verdict you want!"

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
If some little punk kid grabbed my balls he'd be damn lucky if all I did was smack him around a little.

He deserved it. Black, white, purple, you just can't do sh!t like that without consequence.

And Rogue, we arm cops so they can shoot people who threaten their life, should they have nothing in between telling someone to stop & shooting them? What do you think batons, mace, stun guns, etc. are for?

Viper GTS

this has to be the stupidest statement in this thread. the kid was handcuff, cops are supposed to set the example, this is eactly why so many people hate cops