Hung jury in LA Police Brutality Case

[Rogue]

In the case of Police brutality in Los Angeles from last year. I personally can't see it. I don't care if the kid did grab his grapes. That's what assault on a law enforcement officer is for. That's what lewd fondling is for. Rack up charges, don't rack a guy's face. Hopefully they'll reprosecute this one.

For those that don't remember, it's the case with the teenage african american male and the various officers arresting him, the offending officer was caucasian. It was video taped by someone and aired. The officer claims the kid grabbed his grapes as he had him handcuffed and pressed against the trunk of the patrol car. As a police officer myself, although I would myself be enraged by such contact, I'd trump charges on the guy, not wail on him handcuffed.

Brief cap on MSNBC.com is all that's available right now.

 

[Heisenberg]

They were only hung on the assault charge. They found the other guy not guilty of filing a false report.

 

[Rogue]

I still find it hard to believe, looking at that video tape, that the one officer could not be charged with assault on the most basic of elements of the crime.

 

[digitalsm]

The cop merely roughed him up. That stuff happens every day. Its only made news because it was a black kid. If it was a white guy there WOULD HAVE never been an "outrage". Also, there was another tape, it was never released to the public. It was 6-6 until this morning then it became 5-7, I really dont forsee them ever convicting this guy.

 

[Viper GTS]

If some little punk kid grabbed my balls he'd be damn lucky if all I did was smack him around a little.

He deserved it. Black, white, purple, you just can't do sh!t like that without consequence.

And Rogue, we arm cops so they can shoot people who threaten their life, should they have nothing in between telling someone to stop & shooting them? What do you think batons, mace, stun guns, etc. are for?

Viper GTS

 

[Rogue]

Some of you are probably the same ones calling cops "pigs", etc. when they do something as simple as give you a speeding ticket that you earned. Thank god you're computer geeks and not police officers!

 

[Johnnie]

he should not have roughed the kid up in public...with the chance of video tape.
Why did he just not wait til he got the kid to jail?

The cop should be found guilty.

 

[digitalsm]

How can you say that when you simply only see one piece of evidence and not all?

 

[AgentBehemoth]

I think this was nothing more than a reaction to an attack on this officer. If you are being arrested and you attack an officer by trying to crush his nads then I'd think the side of your head would be smashed in before it was all over and I'd agree with it.

I mean hey, you shoot somebody 41 times for pulling a wallet OK maybe you OVER reacted but slaping a punk who grabbed your nads isn't.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: digitalsm
The cop merely roughed him up. That stuff happens every day. Its only made news because it was a black kid. If it was a white guy there WOULD HAVE never been an "outrage". Also, there was another tape, it was never released to the public. It was 6-6 until this morning then it became 5-7, I really dont forsee them ever convicting this guy.

Just because police brutality happens every day is no excuse for it. Murder happens every day, should we legalize that?

I agree completely with Rogue on this, the officer should have been found guilty.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: digitalsm
The cop merely roughed him up. That stuff happens every day. Its only made news because it was a black kid. If it was a white guy there WOULD HAVE never been an "outrage". Also, there was another tape, it was never released to the public. It was 6-6 until this morning then it became 5-7, I really dont forsee them ever convicting this guy.

Just because police brutality happens every day is no excuse for it. Murder happens every day, should we legalize that?

I agree completely with Rogue on this, the officer should have been found guilty.

Like I said how can you say someones guilty by just that one piece of evidence, when there was another video.

 

[Mill]

I have to say I agree with Rogue here. The brutality is not needed. BTW, don't forget that Rogue is a Cop.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: digitalsm
The cop merely roughed him up. That stuff happens every day. Its only made news because it was a black kid. If it was a white guy there WOULD HAVE never been an "outrage". Also, there was another tape, it was never released to the public. It was 6-6 until this morning then it became 5-7, I really dont forsee them ever convicting this guy.

Just because police brutality happens every day is no excuse for it. Murder happens every day, should we legalize that?

I agree completely with Rogue on this, the officer should have been found guilty.

Yeah Id debate if that was really police brutality to begin with, first off he didnt break any police department rules. Second like I have said theres another video tape.

To me, a punch and a slam on a car hood is not police brutality, its merely roughing someone up.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: Millennium
I have to say I agree with Rogue here. The brutality is not needed. BTW, don't forget that Rogue is a Cop.

I dont care if he is a cop, he hasnt nor has the public seen the entire evidence that the jury was shown. Hell my brother was more than roughed up by eight cops, he was white, nothing ever came of it.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Millennium
I have to say I agree with Rogue here. The brutality is not needed. BTW, don't forget that Rogue is a Cop.

I dont care if he is a cop, he hasnt nor has the public seen the entire evidence that the jury was shown. Hell my brother was more than roughed up by eight cops, he was white, nothing ever came of it.

I think assaulting someone outside of what is necessary constitutes brutality. This is what I have been taught by all my professors, and what pretty much any LEO has ever told me. Trumping up the charges prevents the officer or the municipality from being liable. In today's litigious society, brutality bankrupts cities, costs people their jobs, and restricts city services. You haven't thought your position through.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: digitalsm
The cop merely roughed him up. That stuff happens every day. Its only made news because it was a black kid. If it was a white guy there WOULD HAVE never been an "outrage". Also, there was another tape, it was never released to the public. It was 6-6 until this morning then it became 5-7, I really dont forsee them ever convicting this guy.

Just because police brutality happens every day is no excuse for it. Murder happens every day, should we legalize that?

I agree completely with Rogue on this, the officer should have been found guilty.

Yeah Id debate if that was really police brutality to begin with, first off he didnt break any police department rules. Second like I have said theres another video tape.

To me, a punch and a slam on a car hood is not police brutality, its merely roughing someone up.

You are slamming us for not having the same evidence is the jury, yet you are making an assumption that he didn't break any department rules. Do you have a list of the rules? Did you sit on the board that reviewed his actions? I think not, therefore your assumptions are just as baseless as anyone else's in this thread.

 

[Viper GTS]

Out of curiosity, what WOULD have been acceptable?

Excuse me, let go of my nutsack?
Back away with him still holding on, hoping he'll let go before they do?

Viper GTS

 

[911paramedic]

That guy does not deserve a badge.

 

[BooGiMaN]

trained or not on duty or not i dont think any of us would have reacted any different if all of a sudden someones crushing ur nads.

your first instinct is gonna be to stop the pain...

dayum i mean u only have to brush them lightly and we are on the floor curled up in the fetal position crying like little girls.
we even cringe just seeing someone get kicked in the junk on screen and it isnt even us.

i cant tell you how many times a light tap on them has brought an immediate halt to any play wrestling or fighting i have been doing with my girl...im like STOP!! game over man..game over..

 

[Dudd]

If someone grabbed my balls and I had a gun, he'd be damn lucky if his brains weren't splattered on the ground after I got through with him. It's probably a good thing I'm not a cop.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Out of curiosity, what WOULD have been acceptable?

Excuse me, let go of my nutsack?
Back away with him still holding on, hoping he'll let go before they do?

Viper GTS

PSSSHHHHHHTT!!! *wipes water from chin*

BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Zebo]

Blah that was nothing... A little attitude adjustment that would have served him better than wasting 6mo in jail and wasting tax money ....if the system did'nt baby the kid and pursecute the officer. That officer is a hero in my book.

 

[Rogue]

Some of you are way off here. If it were you and you were slammed on the trunk of a car alone, very forcefully I might add, you would cry like little bitches and go to court first chance you got! You cannot justify his lack of judgement and his level of force just based on this kid grabbing his grapes. As yet, you're right, we don't have all the evidence. If the officer's gonads had been permanently damaged or otherwise severely injured, MAYBE, it's warranted. I watched the interviews when this thing happened, nothing was mentioned of severe damage to the officers physical person. I've been spit on, pushed, kicked at, swung at and each time, it added up to an additional charge. As a Military Police officer, I have much more leeway than even these guys do with the soldiers that I arrest. I've actually been told by their leadership when they were resisting arrest to "F*ck them up!" and each time, I've not done it and added charges and each time, the guy went to jail for longer. This was unwarranted, I don't care what the other video shows.

As far as the "letting go of the sack" question. Properly trained officers, which I'm sure this guy was, would simply wrench the cuffs up on his wrists, or strike him in any number of other places on his person. There is training called PPCT that most officers get now days that uses non-lethal, court approved pressure points that are easy to strike and leave no long term damage to the subject. Behind the ear, on the back of the neck, fingers, perennial nerve, there were many more alternatives that I'm sure he knew and chose not to take.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Out of curiosity, what WOULD have been acceptable?

Excuse me, let go of my nutsack?
Back away with him still holding on, hoping he'll let go before they do?

Viper GTS

You may restrain or subdue someone, but slamming their head on the trunk and the other things he did was not an attempt to restrain. It was an attempt to injure. One solution would have been to have another officer put him in a hold, pepper spray him, or have someone hit his arm with a baton. There are always other alternatives and training that an officer had that could have been used. I assume it happened so fast, that they guy was not just sitting there holding on and wouldn't let go. In fact, the officer probably did it out of anger and not because he was actually being hurt that badly. If, like Rogue suggested there was evidence that it caused a longstanding problem, then I might see it as him in pain and trying to get the fvcker to stop grabbing his testicles.

People asked for it to be this way. They started suing and claiming brutality on every case. Now all officers have to be overly cautious to prevent from being freakin' sued!

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: Rogue

As far as the "letting go of the sack" question. Properly trained officers, which I'm sure this guy was, would simply wrench the cuffs up on his wrists, or strike him in any number of other places on his person. There is training called PPCT that most officers get now days that uses non-lethal, court approved pressure points that are easy to strike and leave no long term damage to the subject. Behind the ear, on the back of the neck, fingers, perennial nerve, there were many more alternatives that I'm sure he knew and chose not to take.

I'm sorry but when someone has a death grip on your nads, your first instinct is not to figure out a non-leathel, department approved way of removed his grip. Your instinct is to stop the pain as quickly as possible. If stopping the pain means smashing the guys head onto the hood then so be it. If someone grabbed my sack and squeezed, I'd bash him upside the head, put an elbow in his back, or do pretty much anything I had to in order to stop his assult on me. Trials like this are overblown and are racism bait by the media.