Hundreds of teens wreak havok in Brooklyn Mall

[Matt1970]

Those were all staged.

Your liberal brain defect is unable to accept that scary things happen in the world so you are in denial. It's the only way your sleep deprived brain can cope with the unpleasantries.

 

[Moonbeam]

Look at your post #22.

May I first borrow your colored lenses. When you say look at something, you mean, of course, look at what I see there not what is actually there. You have a brain defect. You can't be trusted to report what is real. You have proved this over and over and over and over again. Try to be modest. You live in a delusion. Don't infect others. Never have an opinion. Every time you have an opinion it turns to concrete. Try to remember you make other people ashamed to be human. It's not right to make others feel the shame you should feel yourself.

 

[Moonbeam]

Your liberal brain defect is unable to accept that scary things happen in the world so you are in denial. It's the only way your sleep deprived brain can cope with the unpleasantries.

Yes, but my delusion is better than yours. Remember that. Stew in that. I am the superior mind. In the realm of manufactured delusions I can outperform you. I am like superman who can leap tall buildings and fly in the air. You are insignificant and puny. You only read Fox News, but I own the world of science fiction. Compared to me you are like an ant.

 

[Geosurface]

My guess is that you were a very nice naïve person once

Indeed.

Up until about two years ago I was a hard left socialist/communist (I would use both depending on audience), Gore voting, Kerry voting, Obama voting, Nader call center volunteering, Planned Parenthood donating hyper-lib.

I was probably as far left as you, though less crazy.

My views on racial matters were completely interchangeable with whomever you care to think of from these boards as my polar opposite now...

I attribute my 180 degree change to serving in the military and being exposed to intelligent and informed conservatives there, having more life experience, and getting older. The Zimmerman case also exposed a lot of liberal hypocrisy I had previously kept myself blind to.

You're free to attribute it to me emotionally dying inside or whatever though if you like.

 

[fskimospy]

Look at your post #22.

Exactly my point. Thanks for the additional support to my point.

I'm not terribly interested in what you're trying to say, btw. You're (presumably?) about 43 years old and you don't know how to use a dictionary. It's hard to see how I could trust you to be able to read much of anything else.

 

[Moonbeam]

Indeed.

Up until about two years ago I was a hard left socialist/communist (I would use both depending on audience), Gore voting, Kerry voting, Obama voting, Nader call center volunteering, Planned Parenthood donating hyper-lib.

I was probably as far left as you, though less crazy.

My views on racial matters were completely interchangeable with whomever you care to think of from these boards as my polar opposite now...

I attribute my 180 degree change to serving in the military and being exposed to intelligent and informed conservatives there, having more life experience, and getting older. The Zimmerman case also exposed a lot of liberal hypocrisy I had previously kept myself blind to.

You're free to attribute it to me emotionally dying inside or whatever though if you like.

Naturally, you would be inclined to think your condition better now than in the past but I think there's more than the things you mentioned something you may be motivated not to see, something that awakened a feeling of self contempt, perhaps some kind of rejection or something that brought on a sense of failure.

 

[Matt1970]

Exactly my point. Thanks for the additional support to my point.

I'm not terribly interested in what you're trying to say, btw. You're (presumably?) about 43 years old and you don't know how to use a dictionary. It's hard to see how I could trust you to be able to read much of anything else.

Classic, when proven to be a hypocrite he actually thinks it supports his point.

 

[Moonbeam]

Classic, when proven to be a hypocrite he actually thinks it supports his point.

Altered reality proof is proof of altered reality, not proof that people who can reason will accept. Your proof is but self delusion.

 

[Darwin333]

It's pretty clear to everyone reading your posts that your starting point is "this isn't true because I don't like it" and then you work from there to justify that position.

You can either continue to knee-jerk downplay things about the world around you which you find inconvenient, unpleasant, or uncomfortable... or you can face reality on its own terms and try to improve it.

Eskimopsy and I disagree on.... well damn near everything. With that said, he has a very valid point. IF the "knockout" game was being played then it was being played so poorly as to be insignificant to the story because someone getting knocked the fuck out is most definitely a significant injury. If I was to start making assumptions based off this thread alone I would think at the very least dozens of kids were playing this game. How can there possibly be dozens of kids trying to knock the fuck out of unsuspecting people and no one get injured unless they were friggen jerry's kids or the story was a tad exaggerated?

 

[Darwin333]

Obviously CNN and ABC (NYC) must be drinking the NY Post's koolaid as their article describes most of what they reported. Just because no one reported any damage or assaults doesn't mean they didn't occur just more than likely the people don't want to get involved or their insurance will cover the damage that occurred.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/28/us/new-york-mall-mob/

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=9373900

Wait, if there are no reports of damage or assaults it is "more than likely" that people don't want to get involved??? How the fuck does that work?

Is that like if your wife hasn't reported you to the police for being a douchebag woman beater yet it is more than likely because she doesn't want to get involved rather than more than likely that you are not a douchebag woman beater?

 

[Geosurface]

Eskimopsy and I disagree on.... well damn near everything. With that said, he has a very valid point. IF the "knockout" game was being played then it was being played so poorly as to be insignificant to the story because someone getting knocked the fuck out is most definitely a significant injury. If I was to start making assumptions based off this thread alone I would think at the very least dozens of kids were playing this game. How can there possibly be dozens of kids trying to knock the fuck out of unsuspecting people and no one get injured unless they were friggen jerry's kids or the story was a tad exaggerated?

To be honest I have not looked at any of the reports or video attached to this story all that much yet. I am fully prepared to admit that it sounds like this was not a particularly violent or damaging flash mob compared to many others I'm aware of in the past.

That said, to me the fact that a bunch of teens got together and took over a mall and intimidated other people, even if they didn't knock anyone out or steal much, is plenty cause for concern in and of itself. Particularly in light of the fact that it's emblematic of a growing trend.

I have mostly been commenting here on the predictable liberal reactions I'm seeing in this thread, which are to instantly knee-jerk downplay and start running interference, making excuses, etc. Regardless of the facts on this particular case, I find that behavior on their part to be deeply amusing and richly deserving of ridicule.

 

[Geosurface]

For those who can't believe police might not want to investigate these sorts of things, there was recently a knockout attack on a man and his girlfriend in Charlottesville and the girlfriend even got cell phone pictures (fairly clear in fact) of the attackers, yet after submitting a report and those pictures to the local police department there, they called back a week later to provide some additional information only to learn the case had never been assigned to an investigator. The only reason it has been now, I think it's safe to say, is that the local media became aware of that fact and started asking why. The police spokesman I saw on the video was providing what, to my ear, sounded like some pretty lame excuses of why no investigator had been assigned.

And again, this sort of thing is incredibly common for those sorts of attacks. Even large scale attacks involving 20 or 50 or even a couple of hundred people (which are common) - read Colin Flaherty's book on this, he lists not only hundreds of such incidents, but for many of them goes into the police's lack of desire to pursue them. I seem to recall he even has some police officers talk about why that is the case, under condition of anonymity.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Yes, but my delusion is better than yours. Remember that. Stew in that. I am the superior mind. In the realm of manufactured delusions I can outperform you. I am like superman who can leap tall buildings and fly in the air. You are insignificant and puny. You only read Fox News, but I own the world of science fiction. Compared to me you are like an ant.

If you're proclaiming to be bat shit crazy....why yes, yes you are.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

The large media outlets are mostly silent on these knockout game things going on. I live in a decent-sized city, and the smaller local news will report it for only one day and it's never front page stuff. Odd, since they have no problem reporting other extremely random violent crime.


Well, except for that mentally ill white kid. That one was reported for 4-5 days straight.

I guess it depends on the races of those involved?

 

[Geosurface]

The large media outlets are mostly silent on these knockout game things going on. I live in a decent-sized city, and the smaller local news will report it for only one day and it's never front page stuff. Odd, since they have no problem reporting other extremely random violent crime.


Well, except for that mentally ill white kid. That one was reported for 4-5 days straight.

I guess it depends on the races of those involved?

There are numerous factors into why both the media and the police are disinclined to focus on this sort of violence.

They don't want to look racist, feed into stereotypes, possibly trigger a backlash against blacks, make their area look unsafe, expose their inability to stop it, scare off tourists and shoppers and fair goers and whatever else... and also police know that sometimes it is extremely hard to actually solve these crimes or apprehend anyone. You might just have a low resolution surveillance video showing 20 different teens rampaging through an area, but most will have hoodies on or at least not have anything so distinctive about their appearance that you could know for sure you'd identified the person if you found them later. The people who'd be in a position to call in and identify them are usually (not always) not inclined to do so... so it's a tough thing to solve.

Unfortunately, when the police and particularly the media, decide to pretend this kind of thing isn't happening, the blood of those who get victimized by subsequent attacks in the same area is on their hands, because it was their responsibility to inform the public. It isn't their job to worry about what the societal consequences are of telling the facts, it's just their job to tell the facts. They may in fact be preventing a necessary societal backlash which would put an end to this behavior. They may be making that backlash worse by delaying it.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

The police aspect I fully understand.


The media side of it, I do not.


Also interesting that this happened in NY, an anti-gun state. I can't help but wonder if these thugs would think twice before doing this in a mall setting in a state with strong self defense laws.

Incidents like this are what really pushes the pro-gun people. You can't stop a group of thugs with strong words and a cellphone dialing 911. One man with a gun can control 100 without one.

 

[SandEagle]

Store owners should've shot them.

rubber bullets and mandatory jail time. our laws are too lax. freedom doesn't mean you can act a fool without consequences.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

rubber bullets and mandatory jail time. our laws are too lax. freedom doesn't mean you can act a fool without consequences.

This is new york......


They don't solve focused, directed violent crime by allowing innocent and law-abiding citizens to defend themselves.

Instead they make guns illegal, then stop and search everyone walking down the sidewalk.

 

[Vdubchaos]

I'm tempted to see one of these fuckers try to play that "knock out" game on me.

 

[fskimospy]

The police aspect I fully understand.


The media side of it, I do not.


Also interesting that this happened in NY, an anti-gun state. I can't help but wonder if these thugs would think twice before doing this in a mall setting in a state with strong self defense laws.

Incidents like this are what really pushes the pro-gun people. You can't stop a group of thugs with strong words and a cellphone dialing 911. One man with a gun can control 100 without one.

You guys are psychopaths. The correct answer to kids acting like lunatics in a mall was not to shoot them.

What is wrong with you people.

 

[fskimospy]

This is new york......


They don't solve focused, directed violent crime by allowing innocent and law-abiding citizens to defend themselves.

Instead they make guns illegal, then stop and search everyone walking down the sidewalk.

And yet their approach has led to it being one of the safest big cities in America. Sounds like places have a lot to learn from NYC, huh.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You guys are psychopaths. The correct answer to kids acting like lunatics in a mall was not to shoot them.

What is wrong with you people.

Random beatings to an innocent person's head absolutely should result in the thug getting shot.


You know what's psychopathic? The thought than an innocent person should just "take a beating" from some piece of trash thug.

An innocent person out shopping getting a bruise on their head is worse than a trash thug with a bullet in the heart.

 

[fskimospy]

Random beatings to an innocent person's head absolutely should result in the thug getting shot.


You know what's psychopathic? The thought than an innocent person should just "take a beating" from some piece of trash thug.

An innocent person out shopping getting a bruise on their head is worse than a trash thug with a bullet in the heart.

What random beating are you talking about? The evidence does not indicate any of that actually happened.

Your hard on for shooting children is getting old.

 

[SandEagle]

What random beating are you talking about? The evidence does not indicate any of that actually happened.

Your hard on for shooting children is getting old.

do you even know what the knockout game is?
hint: you don't knock on someone's door and ask them out to dinner.

 

[fskimospy]

do you even know what the knockout game is?
hint: you don't knock on someone's door and ask them out to dinner.

I'm quite aware of what it is and its dubious prevalence.

I also know that in this situation an unscrupulous newspaper linked in the OP had a claim that it was occurring en masse here but not a single significant injury was reported. That means they were either playing the 'game' with nerf Incredible Hulk hands or the story of it here is probably bullshit.

Regardless, shooting people to death is not an appropriate response.