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human teleportation possibilities

Maverick2002

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I've read a few news items lately regarding teleportation, and the successes thereof. Like this. Can someone explain why it would/wouldn't be possible to teleport (let's say a human being, assuming this teleportation occurs slower than the speed of light)?

Also, this. Interesting quote:

In the past, the idea of teleportation was not taken very seriously by scientists, because it was thought to violate the uncertainty principle of quantum mechanics, which forbids any measuring or scanning process from extracting all the information in an atom or other object. According to the uncertainty principle, the more accurately an object is scanned, the more it is disturbed by the scanning process, until one reaches a point where the object's original state has been completely disrupted, still without having extracted enough information to make a perfect replica. This sounds like a solid argument against teleportation: if one cannot extract enough information from an object to make a perfect copy, it would seem that a perfect copy cannot be made. But the six scientists found a way to make an end run around this logic, using a celebrated and paradoxical feature of quantum mechanics known as the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen effect. In brief, they found a way to scan out part of the information from an object A, which one wishes to teleport, while causing the remaining, unscanned, part of the information to pass, via the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen effect, into another object C which has never been in contact with A. Later, by applying to C a treatment depending on the scanned-out information, it is possible to maneuver C into exactly the same state as A was in before it was scanned. A itself is no longer in that state, having been thoroughly disrupted by the scanning, so what has been achieved is teleportation, not replication.

Let's assume that we have a powerful enough computer to account for the properties of every single atom in the human body (10^28 I believe?).
 
It would still be a copy, what you are teleporting is the STATE of the particles; not the particles themselves.
Another problem is that you would need to teleport the body one particle at a time, the human body is way to big to teleport at once.
It is also doubtfull if you really need to teleport the state of every single particle in order to copy someone.
 
From what I read it's NOT a copy. Well, it is a replication of the original, but the original no longer exists, so same thing. Read the above quote:

"A itself is no longer in that state, having been thoroughly disrupted by the scanning, so what has been achieved is teleportation, not replication."

 
Sure, but the particles you copied still exist; they are just not in the same state as before the teleportation.
If you managed to use this method on a human you would end up with two people, the person you copied would not be in the same state as before the teleoportation but that is not really relevant because it would still be the same person.
 
never happen. what would be the source of the atoms used to recreate the entity? what would be the source of the energy used to recreate all of the correct molecular bonds?
 
Source of atoms could be anything, primarily carbon. Make people out of charcoal!

Source of energy could be any source we currently use for energy.

The original particles no longer contain the same information iirc so the original person doesn't exist any more.
 
If we teleport anything, the word teleport is not appropiate.

What we can do is clone an object and then destroy the one we originally got.

An interesting thing arises: we can just mass clone objects then and the world need no factories.
To even make this possible, it's out of our current technology. Even if you got every single atom's data, how are you going to make a new object base on the information you've got? We don't have clamps and biceps to put every single atom in their proper place.

Also we have got the power to store every single atom's data. However how were we suppose to record all atoms position, velocity...etc of an object at the same time? This is actually impossible. Base on 2 reasons 1: You really can't measure everything at the same time (I mean the exactly same time to infinite precision, If we don't measure everything at the same time the object we re-create might behave differently. Say human, if we want to teleport human, human brain is complicated and very time-sensitive.). The second reason is according to Heinsenburgh's uncertainty principle, you cannot measure position and velocity of any matter to absolute certainty, since your method of measuring usually disrupt the position/velocity of the matter you are measuring itself.)

I doubt it is actually possible to perfectly teleport, if not impossible to teleport.
 
Originally posted by: f95toli
It would still be a copy, what you are teleporting is the STATE of the particles; not the particles themselves.
Another problem is that you would need to teleport the body one particle at a time, the human body is way to big to teleport at once.
It is also doubtfull if you really need to teleport the state of every single particle in order to copy someone.

But particles are indistinguishable. You can't tell electron A from electron B. Furthermore, the atoms that made you up when you were 6 have probably mostly been completely replaced (numerous times too) by the time you're 50. You aren't really "you" then by your definition.
 
Originally posted by: f95toli
Sure, but the particles you copied still exist; they are just not in the same state as before the teleportation.
If you managed to use this method on a human you would end up with two people, the person you copied would not be in the same state as before the teleoportation but that is not really relevant because it would still be the same person.

Not really. Here's how you'd do it really:

Have person A stand in teleport chamber 1. Load a bunch of coal, water, and miscellaneous stuff in teleport chamber 2. Do your measurement on the person thereby completely disrupting their physical state. They become chunky salsa. Store the information and transport it to telport chamber 2 where you arrange the coal and other junk to have the exact same state as the particles in person A's body. You now have person B (exact copy of person A).

Of course this is assuming the technology exists...
 
Originally posted by: AnnihilatorX
If we teleport anything, the word teleport is not appropiate.

The second reason is according to Heinsenburgh's uncertainty principle, you cannot measure position and velocity of any matter to absolute certainty, since your method of measuring usually disrupt the position/velocity of the matter you are measuring itself.)

I doubt it is actually possible to perfectly teleport, if not impossible to teleport.

You didn't actually read the OP did ya?

🙂
 
never happen. you can't instantaneously form hundreds of thousands of unique and huge molecular compounds by simply placing atoms together. Each molecule/protein/nucleic acid produced would essentially have to be synthesized from scratch. think about it. Every cell in the body has a genome of 3 billion bases. you can't just orient carbons, oxygens, nitrogens, and phosphorous' and expect them to coalesce perfectly. this obstacle will never be overcome.
 
Originally posted by: gururu
never happen. you can't instantaneously form hundreds of thousands of unique and huge molecular compounds by simply placing atoms together. Each molecule/protein/nucleic acid produced would essentially have to be synthesized from scratch. think about it. Every cell in the body has a genome of 3 billion bases. you can't just orient carbons, oxygens, nitrogens, and phosphorous' and expect them to coalesce perfectly. this obstacle will never be overcome.

That's the thing about transporting their states. They are already set up properly.

I bet if you told someone 40 years ago that you could have 40 million 90 nanometer parts operating at 3+GHz just to play an electronic game they'd ship you off to the loonie bin.
 
Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: gururu
never happen. you can't instantaneously form hundreds of thousands of unique and huge molecular compounds by simply placing atoms together. Each molecule/protein/nucleic acid produced would essentially have to be synthesized from scratch. think about it. Every cell in the body has a genome of 3 billion bases. you can't just orient carbons, oxygens, nitrogens, and phosphorous' and expect them to coalesce perfectly. this obstacle will never be overcome.

That's the thing about transporting their states. They are already set up properly.

I bet if you told someone 40 years ago that you could have 40 million 90 nanometer parts operating at 3+GHz just to play an electronic game they'd ship you off to the loonie bin.


if you told someone 1000 years ago that we would be able to synthesize gold, they'd have believed you. Yet we are not even close.
 
Originally posted by: gururu
Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: gururu
never happen. you can't instantaneously form hundreds of thousands of unique and huge molecular compounds by simply placing atoms together. Each molecule/protein/nucleic acid produced would essentially have to be synthesized from scratch. think about it. Every cell in the body has a genome of 3 billion bases. you can't just orient carbons, oxygens, nitrogens, and phosphorous' and expect them to coalesce perfectly. this obstacle will never be overcome.

That's the thing about transporting their states. They are already set up properly.

I bet if you told someone 40 years ago that you could have 40 million 90 nanometer parts operating at 3+GHz just to play an electronic game they'd ship you off to the loonie bin.


if you told someone 1000 years ago that we would be able to synthesize gold, they'd have believed you. Yet we are not even close.

Uh, we can do it. It takes forever, and there are very small quantities, and it's extremely expensive.

All that aside, the point still is that if you copy the states exactly, then you don't have to worry about chemical bonds or anything because all of that is taken care of when you copy the states. We can teleport single photons and such, so we just have to scale up really.
 
Originally posted by: silverpig

Uh, we can do it. It takes forever, and there are very small quantities, and it's extremely expensive.

All that aside, the point still is that if you copy the states exactly, then you don't have to worry about chemical bonds or anything because all of that is taken care of when you copy the states. We can teleport single photons and such, so we just have to scale up really.

photons don't have mass. that is where the problem starts, where energy meets mass. so I'm DYING to know how they synthesize the element gold. If you have a link, that'd be great.

 
Originally posted by: gururu
Originally posted by: silverpig

Uh, we can do it. It takes forever, and there are very small quantities, and it's extremely expensive.

All that aside, the point still is that if you copy the states exactly, then you don't have to worry about chemical bonds or anything because all of that is taken care of when you copy the states. We can teleport single photons and such, so we just have to scale up really.

photons don't have mass. that is where the problem starts, where energy meets mass. so I'm DYING to know how they synthesize the element gold. If you have a link, that'd be great.

This is what makes it easy. Photons don't have mass, but they have momentum and energy. These are the important quantities in particle physics. You NEVER measure the mass of a particle (put it on a scale?). You always measure either it's momentum or it's energy. In this way photons are no different from electrons or pions. Mass doesn't really mean anything.

Lead into gold
Transmutation of lead into gold isn't just theoretically possible - it has been achieved! There are reports that Glenn Seaborg, 1951 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry, succeeded in transmuting a minute quantity of lead (possibly en route from bismuth, in 1980) into gold.

There is an earlier report (1972) in which Soviet physicists at a nuclear research facility near Lake Baikal in Siberia accidentally discovered a reaction for turning lead into gold when they found the lead shielding of an experimental reactor had changed to gold.

Also: Bismuth into gold
Laboratory Gold ~ Man has created gold from bismuth at the Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory in California ~ a feat only dreamed of by alchemists of the Middle Ages. But it wasn't alchemy that did it. It took the BEVALAC atomic particle accelerator. The machine hurled ions of carbon and neon at the bismuth. This "knocked away fragments of the bismuth atoms, leaving the lighter element gold," reports Science 80 magazine. Will this prompt a modern-day gold rush? Probably not. It took $10,000 (US) in accelerator operating expenses to make about a million atoms of gold. "In all our work," said the scientist operating the machine, "we produced gold that was worth less than one billionth of a cent."

If you can get Mercury to absorb neutrons, it will decay into gold 197 along the way too.
 
that is pretty cool. I guess I thought that atomic bombardment could achieve it, I just never knew that it'd been done. thanks for the links. as far as atomic states being transferred in contrast to actual mass, that I can believe as well, so long as their is a way to apply those properties to a recieving particle. Perhaps, we could produce a base a biomaterial that consists of all the compounds a human being has in correct proportions. A soup if you will. For a 150lb person, 150lb of 'soup' can be used. then all the info gets delivered into the soup along with energy to force the soup into a particular configuration. the originating person could then become soup as well for recycling. we could mass produce soup in dried form and just add water. I think I'm getting carried away, but fascinating.

on second thought I can't believe it to be possible, because of the unique genetic code. the genome would have to be synthesized or made to order because there is no way to construct a unique chromosome in advance of information transfer. Information on the atomic states would be useless because these atomic states on average are not unique from individual to individual, however, the code is. the arrangement of atoms to form molecules from subunits cannot be possible within a heterogeneous mix of millions of compounds; each molecule would have to be synthesized in advance (as in my soup idea). however, the unique genome again, would make the process impossible.
 
Originally posted by: silverpig
Originally posted by: f95toli
Sure, but the particles you copied still exist; they are just not in the same state as before the teleportation.
If you managed to use this method on a human you would end up with two people, the person you copied would not be in the same state as before the teleoportation but that is not really relevant because it would still be the same person.

Not really. Here's how you'd do it really:

Have person A stand in teleport chamber 1. Load a bunch of coal, water, and miscellaneous stuff in teleport chamber 2. Do your measurement on the person thereby completely disrupting their physical state. They become chunky salsa. Store the information and transport it to telport chamber 2 where you arrange the coal and other junk to have the exact same state as the particles in person A's body. You now have person B (exact copy of person A).

Of course this is assuming the technology exists...


Sure, that is precisly what I meant. But person A still exists, the fact that you are disrupted the state of person A does not automatically mean that you killed him, so you would end up with two people.

The states of the particles in our body changes with time (according to some exremely complicated Hamiltonian), teleportiation would not neccesarily change the state more than waiting for a second or two.
 
Let us assume that teleportation is possible through the copy/destroy technique.

Would the copy (person B) retain the same memories and knowledge that person A had? Wouldn't you have to recreate the entire neural network that person A had? I imagine this would go far beyond recreating the states of 10^28 atoms.
 
Actually retaining a person's memory would require much less memory. You only need to map the interconnections between the brain's neurons. Even if you take all braincelles ( a few billion at most) and all its branches, this effectively makes up all memories of that person. Once you have a copy (scan) of all those connections, you can make as many copies as you like. Of course, interconnections change all the time in the brain.
 
Originally posted by: darfur
Let us assume that teleportation is possible through the copy/destroy technique.

Would the copy (person B) retain the same memories and knowledge that person A had? Wouldn't you have to recreate the entire neural network that person A had? I imagine this would go far beyond recreating the states of 10^28 atoms.

Yes they would. You're making an exact copy. Memories, what they ate for lunch yesterday, the loogie in the back of their throat... all of that would be transferred perfectly.
 
What would happen to body functions and stuff. Like I think breathing patterns and stuff like that would be disrupted during teleporting .. What do you guys think about that ?
 
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