Human Rights Watch reports on the Israeli attacks in Lebanon

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Besides, you knowingly miss the point. No country would allow a constant threat of rockets lined up on its borders. NOT EVEN ONE. The US almost went to a nuclear war with the USSR over the same issue (Cuba).
This is a threat that had to be removed, and now is about the right time.

Very good point. This is the first time I've seen a comparison of this situation to the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the comparison is valid (even if the solution was different at the time).

 

[Aimster]

The missiles in Cuba were capable of carrying nuclear weapons.

If they weren't capable of carrying nuclear weapons, we wouldn't have cared.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Yes it does not have a UN resolution supporting this invasion and thus under international law it is illegal. If international law is only to be supported when it suits the US is outrageous. The world is not a safe place with only one superpower.

And Hizbullah complied with UN resolution 1559 when it attacked Israel on its land? Why should only one side play fair and square?

Hezbollah is not recognized by the UN. Besides if one does something wrong, it does not give the other to do the same.

Sad part is, Israel with all its modern intelligence and weapons have killed more than ten times the civilians Hezbollah has killed.

Correct, that's because Hizbullah hides inside Lebanese population. Why don't you support them going out of the villages and fighting like men?

The ISraelis should come on the ground and fight like men instead of cowardly striking from the air and killing civilians. Guerila warfare was backed by the US in afghanistan against the soviet invasion.

And killing 800 civilans (many of them children) is "disproprtionate force" I see NOWAY that a couple of Israeli soldiers captured where a threat to Israel's soverignity.

So perhaps the lesson for the next time would be, never kidnap two Israeli soldiers?
Besides, you knowingly miss the point. No country would allow a constant threat of rockets lined up on its borders. NOT EVEN ONE. The US almost went to a nuclear war with the USSR over the same issue (Cuba).
This is a threat that had to be removed, and now is about the right time.

Perhaps a negotiation and withdrawing from all occupied territories.

However, by angering civilized humans around the world, things look grimmer for Israel. Another Israel started war and the whole muslim world would strike with vengence. Enough is enough. Muslims need to unite and teach Israel a lesson.

So you're turning it to a religious war, I see? Israel fights against the Hizbullah, and therefore it's an enemy of the entire Muslim world?
Nice.

The should stand as one against this barbarism by Israel.

Muslims so far have only teached themselves a lesson. They have united several times in the past and only got beat up.
With 100+ nukes, Israel can teach the Muslim world a pretty good lesson. Mecca, Medina, entire Iran, etc. are all within range of Jericho missiles. The entire cultural bases of the Muslim religion could be wiped out in few minutes, along with a large amount of the Muslim population. Those who'll survive, mutated, will probably return to their nomadic roots. I don't think that's a too good of an outcome for your "Umma".

So please, act reasonably. Despite your roots, try to understand why Israel can not and will not tolerate any further aggression by the Hizbullah, and why people like yourself - enlightened enough to express their opinions here - should want to see the Hizbullah destroyed for the peace of future generations. I'm sure that were the Arab world less devoted to "teaching Israel a lesson" and focusing on its own problems, Israel's GDP wouldn't be that of Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon - combined (or something rediculous like that).

Muslim nations have nukes too which can eat up puny Israel within three days. Even in a conventional war if the whole muslim world got involved, Israel would be no more. Israel has no right to Paletenian or Syrian land. Israel would not have existed if it did not have puppets in the US government. Israel is a barbaric country killing 800 in an illegall war for 2 captured soldiers that posed no threat to national sovereignty. They have killed far too many for muslims to sit and do nothing. They need to unite and beat Israel once and for all.

What hezbollah did was wrong but it does not give Israel the right to kil 800 civilians. And if by your Idea of "peace" you mean Palestine and Iraq - Nobody wants it. The only solution to peace is Israel withdraw its troops from occupied territories. And Israel's GDP is moslty made up from US aid.

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Yes it does not have a UN resolution supporting this invasion and thus under international law it is illegal. If international law is only to be supported when it suits the US is outrageous. The world is not a safe place with only one superpower.

And Hizbullah complied with UN resolution 1559 when it attacked Israel on its land? Why should only one side play fair and square?

Hezbollah is not recognized by the UN. Besides if one does something wrong, it does not give the other to do the same.

Well too bad Lebanon let Hezbullah control southern Lebanon?

Sad part is, Israel with all its modern intelligence and weapons have killed more than ten times the civilians Hezbollah has killed.

Correct, that's because Hizbullah hides inside Lebanese population. Why don't you support them going out of the villages and fighting like men?

The ISraelis should come on the ground and fight like men instead of cowardly striking from the air and killing civilians. Guerila warfare was backed by the US in afghanistan against the soviet invasion. OMG ISRAEL YOU COWARDS STOP! You shouldn't use advanced weapons instead of sending your ground units and get your soldiers killed.

And killing 800 civilans (many of them children) is "disproprtionate force" I see NOWAY that a couple of Israeli soldiers captured where a threat to Israel's soverignity.

So perhaps the lesson for the next time would be, never kidnap two Israeli soldiers?
Besides, you knowingly miss the point. No country would allow a constant threat of rockets lined up on its borders. NOT EVEN ONE. The US almost went to a nuclear war with the USSR over the same issue (Cuba).
This is a threat that had to be removed, and now is about the right time.

Perhaps a negotiation and withdrawing from all occupied territories.

What occupied territory? Israel has no occupied territory that is Lebanon's, none.

However, by angering civilized humans around the world, things look grimmer for Israel. Another Israel started war and the whole muslim world would strike with vengence. Enough is enough. Muslims need to unite and teach Israel a lesson.

So you're turning it to a religious war, I see? Israel fights against the Hizbullah, and therefore it's an enemy of the entire Muslim world?
Nice.

The should stand as one against this barbarism by Israel.

Just keep on posting about barbaric Israel....

Muslims so far have only teached themselves a lesson. They have united several times in the past and only got beat up.
With 100+ nukes, Israel can teach the Muslim world a pretty good lesson. Mecca, Medina, entire Iran, etc. are all within range of Jericho missiles. The entire cultural bases of the Muslim religion could be wiped out in few minutes, along with a large amount of the Muslim population. Those who'll survive, mutated, will probably return to their nomadic roots. I don't think that's a too good of an outcome for your "Umma".

So please, act reasonably. Despite your roots, try to understand why Israel can not and will not tolerate any further aggression by the Hizbullah, and why people like yourself - enlightened enough to express their opinions here - should want to see the Hizbullah destroyed for the peace of future generations. I'm sure that were the Arab world less devoted to "teaching Israel a lesson" and focusing on its own problems, Israel's GDP wouldn't be that of Egypt, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon - combined (or something rediculous like that).

Muslim nations have nukes too which can eat up puny Israel within three days. Even in a conventional war if the whole muslim world got involved, Israel would be no more. Israel has no right to Paletenian or Syrian land. Israel would not have existed if it did not have puppets in the US government. Israel is a barbaric country killing 800 in an illegall war for 2 captured soldiers that posed no threat to national sovereignty. They have killed far too many for muslims to sit and do nothing. They need to unite and beat Israel once and for all.

What hezbollah did was wrong but it does not give Israel the right to kil 800 civilians. And if by your Idea of "peace" you mean Palestine and Iraq - Nobody wants it. The only solution to peace is Israel withdraw its troops from occupied territories. And Israel's GDP is moslty made up from US aid.[/quote]

:disgust:
I've seen you preeching death to Israel long before... You're just looking for a excuse.

And Hezbullah attacked Israel with rockets before they kidnapped two soldiers...

 

[5150Joker]

Greenbean, why are you angered about Arabs being killed? As a Pakistani you should only care what happens to other Pakistanis. How many times have you seen Arabs condemn Indians for raping and murdering Kashmiris? Never and if they have it surely didn't get headlines. This is an Israeli vs. Arab issue and it should stay that way so just sit back and enjoy the show bro.

That said, Samur, I know you love posturing about Israeli strength and its nuclear arsenal and ability to wipe out all the "nomadic" Muslims but it's pretty laughable to suggest Israel would ever be bold enough to use them -- the fallout would be enough to poison their own atmosphere and like the bean pointed out, Israel would be sealing its own fate with nukes hitting it as well. You let your blind Israeli patriotism continue to fuel your seething hate towards Muslims, no wonder you cannot get along with your Arab neighbors.

 

[SamurAchzar]

And Israel's GDP is moslty made up from US aid.

That just goes to demonstrate the brainwash to which young Muslim childs are subject. I find it quite sad, and certainly not helpful in making peace between Islam and the West.
When an entire nation is built and lies, brainwashing and disinformation, you just can't solve issues logically.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

And Israel's GDP is moslty made up from US aid.

That just goes to demonstrate the brainwash to which young Muslim childs are subject. I find it quite sad, and certainly not helpful in making peace between Islam and the West.
When an entire nation is built and lies, brainwashing and disinformation, you just can't solve issues logically.

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Well Samur,

Ya kind of nailed it right there----The entire nation of Israel is founded on theft of Palistinian land and eleticm----Israel won't face up to those facts----and is in denial.

And can never face up to logic they deny---they are hated for a reason---and earned it.
Not because they are hated for being---but because they are hated for doing---and endless making themselves more hated is a fools game.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker
Greenbean, why are you angered about Arabs being killed? As a Pakistani you should only care what happens to other Pakistanis. How many times have you seen Arabs condemn Indians for raping and murdering Kashmiris? Never and if they have it surely didn't get headlines. This is an Israeli vs. Arab issue and it should stay that way so just sit back and enjoy the show bro.

That said, Samur, I know you love posturing about Israeli strength and its nuclear arsenal and ability to wipe out all the "nomadic" Muslims but it's pretty laughable to suggest Israel would ever be bold enough to use them -- the fallout would be enough to poison their own atmosphere and like the bean pointed out, Israel would be sealing its own fate with nukes hitting it as well. You let your blind Israeli patriotism continue to fuel your seething hate towards Muslims, no wonder you cannot get along with your Arab neighbors.

Not only do I condemn the Israelis as a muslims but I also condemn them as a human being.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

When an entire nation is built and lies, brainwashing and disinformation, you just can't solve issues logically.

I agree 100% with you. Israel is built upon brainwashing, disinformation, and lies.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Not only do I condemn the Israelis as a muslims but I also condemn them as a human being.

Do you condemn Hezbollah as a Muslim and as a Human Being?

 

[ThePresence]

I saw Netanyahu on CNN International. The anchor asked him about Human Rights Watch's assertion that Israel committed 'war crimes'. He said that according to HRW Winston Churchill must've been the biggest war criminal of all time because he responded to the rocketing of London with bombing Germany. Indiscriminately. Killing hundreds of thousands of German civillians. And he was right for doing so.

 

[fallenangel99]

Yeah, and what is HRW going to do about it? Nothing. Israel will continue doing its thing regardless of how many civilians die.
and so will Hizbollah.

I'm just hoping they attack like the Chinese embassy or accidentally hit the U.S. embassy

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ThePresence
I saw Netanyahu on CNN International. The anchor asked him about Human Rights Watch's assertion that Israel committed 'war crimes'. He said that according to HRW Winston Churchill must've been the biggest war criminal of all time because he responded to the rocketing of London with bombing Germany. Indiscriminately. Killing hundreds of thousands of German civillians. And he was right for doing so.

The Germans and British were at a state of war and it was those countries citizens who were dying, not innocent civilians who had nothing to do with this war.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Not only do I condemn the Israelis as a muslims but I also condemn them as a human being.

Do you condemn Hezbollah as a Muslim and as a Human Being?

For abducting the 2 soldiers illegally? I condemn it but none more than the Israeli abuduction of the Palestenian speaker of parliment some time ago.

Israeli forces detained 64 elected representatives of Hamas, including ministers, MPs, mayors and other municipal officials in an unprecedented sweep on June 29.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Not only do I condemn the Israelis as a muslims but I also condemn them as a human being.

Do you condemn Hezbollah as a Muslim and as a Human Being?

For abducting the 2 soldiers illegally? I condemn it but none more than the Israeli abuduction of the Palestenian speaker of parliment some time ago.

Israeli forces detained 64 elected representatives of Hamas, including ministers, MPs, mayors and other municipal officials in an unprecedented sweep on June 29.

How about the indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israeli citizens?

 

[Gamer X]

How about the indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israeli citizens?

Hassan Nasrallah called the Israelis to stop bombing civilian areas in return for Hizbullah stopping the rockets and keep the fighting restraind to south Lebanon. Israel did not respond.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Gamer X

How about the indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israeli citizens?

Hassan Nasrallah called the Israelis to stop bombing civilian areas in return for Hizbullah stopping the rockets and keep the fighting restraind to south Lebanon. Israel did not respond.

So the answers no. You are one of those assholes who could care less about innocent deaths, you only use their deaths to pusue your hatred of Israel. I bet you're the type that hopes for more Lebanese civilians deaths because it makes Israel look bad.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Not only do I condemn the Israelis as a muslims but I also condemn them as a human being.

Do you condemn Hezbollah as a Muslim and as a Human Being?

For abducting the 2 soldiers illegally? I condemn it but none more than the Israeli abuduction of the Palestenian speaker of parliment some time ago.

Israeli forces detained 64 elected representatives of Hamas, including ministers, MPs, mayors and other municipal officials in an unprecedented sweep on June 29.

How about the indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israeli citizens?

They are no better than Israeli warplanes killing civilians. Both sides deny they are targetting civilans. However it must be noted that the ratio of civilians : soldiers killed is much higher on the Lebaneese side of the border.

I beleive its wrong for Israel to say on the one hand that its a war and civilians die and then condemn civilian deaths on their side on the other. They invaded Lebanon in a show of aggression by using disproportionate force.

If they target civilian lives its wrong, but if they target military or industrial strutures or infrastructures and civilians get caught up, thats the nature of war. Same on both sides and according to Islam as well. Perhaps the US should arm Hezbollah with precision weapons as well.

 

[Gamer X]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Gamer X

How about the indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israeli citizens?

Hassan Nasrallah called the Israelis to stop bombing civilian areas in return for Hizbullah stopping the rockets and keep the fighting restraind to south Lebanon. Israel did not respond.

So the answers no. You are one of those assholes who could care less about innocent deaths, you only use their deaths to pusue your hatred of Israel. I bet you're the type that hopes for more Lebanese civilians deaths because it makes Israel look bad.

If the answer is no, then Israel does not seem interested in a solution to stop killing civilians. Your bet is BS.

The fact that you edited your post after I reported it to forum issues does make you a coward. Here is your original post.

So the answers no. You are one of those assholes who could care less about innocent deaths, you only use their deaths to pusue your hatred of Israel. In reality you have no humanity which makes you and your kind on the same level as a dog.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

And Israel's GDP is moslty made up from US aid.

That just goes to demonstrate the brainwash to which young Muslim childs are subject. I find it quite sad, and certainly not helpful in making peace between Islam and the West.
When an entire nation is built and lies, brainwashing and disinformation, you just can't solve issues logically.

Report from 2001
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/Jan_Feb_2001/0101015.html

http://www.washington-report.org/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

 

[Harabec]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
They are no better than Israeli warplanes killing civilians. Both sides deny they are targetting civilans. However it must be noted that the ratio of civilians : soldiers killed is much higher on the Lebaneese side of the border.

I beleive its wrong for Israel to say on the one hand that its a war and civilians die and then condemn civilian deaths on their side on the other. They invaded Lebanon in a show of aggression by using disproportionate force.

If they target civilian lives its wrong, but if they target military or industrial strutures or infrastructures and civilians get caught up, thats the nature of war. Same on both sides and according to Islam as well. Perhaps the US should arm Hezbollah with precision weapons as well.

I find this idea fascinating.
You actually believe we should send a single fighter equipped with a knife against a similar Hizballah fighter and that should be the end of it.

Wake up. We try to minimize civilian casualties BUT at the same time, it is more important to defend OUR civilians and troops from attacks.
Anyone believing this false soon finds himself dead, because his adversary COULD kill him from a distance.
Fair? fairness has nothing to do with it. You don't fight someone and "give him a fair chance" at the same time.

I know it is hard to realize that self-survival is ultimately the most important factor there is, but since you're not living here, I have no reason to convince you of that.

Aside from that, if a country wants peace with us, all it needs to do is ask.
I can guarantee we won't take it as a sign of weakness and try to conquer that country...

 

[daniel49]

heres another example of all the objective reporting coming out of Lebanon.
Rueters is doctering photos.
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005670.htm

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Gamer X

How about the indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israeli citizens?

Hassan Nasrallah called the Israelis to stop bombing civilian areas in return for Hizbullah stopping the rockets and keep the fighting restraind to south Lebanon. Israel did not respond.

So the answers no. You are one of those assholes who could care less about innocent deaths, you only use their deaths to pusue your hatred of Israel. I bet you're the type that hopes for more Lebanese civilians deaths because it makes Israel look bad.

QFT

From what I gather from the other side of P&N, we are to surrender now when war is waged against us. It is unacceptable and no amount of arguing for Hezbollah on these forums will change my mind on the requirement of the destroying or surrendering of Hezbollah before there can be peace.

If Nasrallah wants peace, he knows where to find a white flag.

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Gamer X

How about the indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israeli citizens?

Hassan Nasrallah called the Israelis to stop bombing civilian areas in return for Hizbullah stopping the rockets and keep the fighting restraind to south Lebanon. Israel did not respond.

So the answers no. You are one of those assholes who could care less about innocent deaths, you only use their deaths to pusue your hatred of Israel. I bet you're the type that hopes for more Lebanese civilians deaths because it makes Israel look bad.

QFT

From what I gather from the other side of P&N, we are to surrender now when war is waged against us. It is unacceptable and no amount of arguing for Hezbollah on these forums will change my mind on the requirement of the destroying or surrendering of Hezbollah before there can be peace.

If Nasrallah wants peace, he knows where to find a white flag.

When will you ever learn? It is pointless to destroy Hizb Allah. There will only be another even stronger restistance movement in its place.

The core of Hizb Allah is 500 to 600 fighters - all told the organization has about 5000 to 6000 fighters. Against this resistance movement Israel has sent in the best they have - the very elite of the world, the Golani brigade etc. - and got defeated. Now Israel is sending in several divisions on the ground. In the meantime the Israeli Air Force has pounded Lebanon to the stone age and destroyed the life of a million or more Lebanese. The Lebanese are angry. Most of Hizb Allah's fighters today were children when Israel invaded in 1982. I wonder what future horrors the current Israeli bombing campaign is creating.

Enough is enough. This bombing campaign has opened the eyes for a lot of former friends of Israel. Israel has lost this war.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: GrGr

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Gamer X

How about the indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israeli citizens?

Hassan Nasrallah called the Israelis to stop bombing civilian areas in return for Hizbullah stopping the rockets and keep the fighting restraind to south Lebanon. Israel did not respond.

So the answers no. You are one of those assholes who could care less about innocent deaths, you only use their deaths to pusue your hatred of Israel. I bet you're the type that hopes for more Lebanese civilians deaths because it makes Israel look bad.

QFT

From what I gather from the other side of P&N, we are to surrender now when war is waged against us. It is unacceptable and no amount of arguing for Hezbollah on these forums will change my mind on the requirement of the destroying or surrendering of Hezbollah before there can be peace.

If Nasrallah wants peace, he knows where to find a white flag.

When will you ever learn? It is pointless to destroy Hizb Allah. There will only be another even stronger restistance movement in its place.

The core of Hizb Allah is 500 to 600 fighters - all told the organization has about 5000 to 6000 fighters. Against this resistance movement Israel has sent in the best they have - the very elite of the world, the Golani brigade etc. - and got defeated. Now Israel is sending in several divisions on the ground. In the meantime the Israeli Air Force has pounded Lebanon to the stone age and destroyed the life of a million or more Lebanese. The Lebanese are angry. Most of Hizb Allah's fighters today were children when Israel invaded in 1982. I wonder what future horrors the current Israeli bombing campaign is creating.

Enough is enough. This bombing campaign has opened the eyes for a lot of former friends of Israel. Israel has lost this war.

QFT

Killng never bought peace.