Human Eye transmits @ Ethernet speed

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(Philadelphia, PA) -- Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine estimate that the human retina can transmit visual input at about the same rate as an Ethernet connection, one of the most common local area network systems used today. They present their findings in the July issue of Current Biology. This line of scientific questioning points to ways in which neural systems compare to artificial ones, and can ultimately inform the design of artificial visual systems.

Much research on the basic science of vision asks what types of information the brain receives; this study instead asked how much. Using an intact retina from a guinea pig, the researchers recorded spikes of electrical impulses from ganglion cells using a miniature multi-electrode array. The investigators calculate that the human retina can transmit data at roughly 10 million bits per second. By comparison, an Ethernet can transmit information between computers at speeds of 10 to 100 million bits per second.

The retina is actually a piece of the brain that has grown into the eye and processes neural signals when it detects light. Ganglion cells carry information from the retina to the higher brain centers; other nerve cells within the retina perform the first stages of analysis of the visual world. The axons of the retinal ganglion cells, with the support of other types of cells, form the optic nerve and carry these signals to the brain.

Investigators have known for decades that there are 10 to 15 ganglion cell types in the retina that are adapted for picking up different movements and then work together to send a full picture to the brain. The study estimated the amount of information that is carried to the brain by seven of these ganglion cell types.

The guinea pig retina was placed in a dish and then presented with movies containing four types of biological motion, for example a salamander swimming in a tank to represent an object-motion stimulus. After recording electrical spikes on an array of electrodes, the researchers classified each cell into one of two broad classes: "brisk" or "sluggish," so named because of their speed.

The researchers found that the electrical spike patterns differed between cell types. For example, the larger, brisk cells fired many spikes per second and their response was highly reproducible. In contrast, the smaller, sluggish cells fired fewer spikes per second and their responses were less reproducible.

But, what's the relationship between these spikes and information being sent? "It's the combinations and patterns of spikes that are sending the information. The patterns have various meanings," says co-author Vijay Balasubramanian, PhD, Professor of Physics at Penn. "We quantify the patterns and work out how much information they convey, measured in bits per second."

Calculating the proportions of each cell type in the retina, the team estimated that about 100,000 guinea pig ganglion cells transmit about 875,000 bits of information per second. Because sluggish cells are more numerous, they account for most of the information. With about 1,000,000 ganglion cells, the human retina would transmit data at roughly the rate of an Ethernet connection, or 10 million bits per second.http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-07/uops-prc072606.php
 

spidey07

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and people still falsely claim you can't tell 60 fps from 120.

this oughta put that right out of the park.

Interesting find though.
 

imported_goku

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Originally posted by: spidey07
and people still falsely claim you can't tell 60 fps from 120.

this oughta put that right out of the park.

Interesting find though.

Wouldn't this discount that though?
 

spidey07

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yes. I was trying to say this article hit that pitch (perception of fps) out of the park.
 

EyeMWing

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"Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine estimate that the human retina can transmit visual input at about the same rate as an Ethernet connection, one of the most common local area network systems used today."

10 million bytes a second is 10mbit. I think the good doctors need to pick up a newer copy of whatever textbook they got THAT tidbit out of.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
"Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine estimate that the human retina can transmit visual input at about the same rate as an Ethernet connection, one of the most common local area network systems used today."

10 million bytes a second is 10mbit. I think the good doctors need to pick up a newer copy of whatever textbook they got THAT tidbit out of.

By comparison, an Ethernet can transmit information between computers at speeds of 10 to 100 million bits per second.


Ethernet is the medium. If I compare a transmission rate of another medium with that of Ethernet, I am being ambiguous and am not necessarily wrong, just ambiguous.
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
"Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine estimate that the human retina can transmit visual input at about the same rate as an Ethernet connection, one of the most common local area network systems used today."

10 million bytes a second is 10mbit. I think the good doctors need to pick up a newer copy of whatever textbook they got THAT tidbit out of.

By comparison, an Ethernet can transmit information between computers at speeds of 10 to 100 million bits per second.


Ethernet is the medium. If I compare a transmission rate of another medium with that of Ethernet, I am being ambiguous and am not necessarily wrong, just ambiguous.

Actually, if you want to be overly technical, ethernet has standards on the books for 10gbit (some SICK multi-mode fiber setup, IIRC)
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
"Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine estimate that the human retina can transmit visual input at about the same rate as an Ethernet connection, one of the most common local area network systems used today."

10 million bytes a second is 10mbit. I think the good doctors need to pick up a newer copy of whatever textbook they got THAT tidbit out of.

Big B = bytes. Little b = bits.

Ethernet is 10/100/1000/10,000 megabits/sec. Not bytes.

10 gig has been around for quite a while now and stardardized for a couple years. And it normally uses single mode, not multimode due to serious distance restrictions/modal bandwidth on multi-mode. Not trying to correct, just to let you know.
 

silverpig

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
"Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine estimate that the human retina can transmit visual input at about the same rate as an Ethernet connection, one of the most common local area network systems used today."

10 million bytes a second is 10mbit. I think the good doctors need to pick up a newer copy of whatever textbook they got THAT tidbit out of.

Um, isn't 10 million bytes a second 80 mbit?
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
"Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine estimate that the human retina can transmit visual input at about the same rate as an Ethernet connection, one of the most common local area network systems used today."

10 million bytes a second is 10mbit. I think the good doctors need to pick up a newer copy of whatever textbook they got THAT tidbit out of.

Big B = bytes. Little b = bits.

Ethernet is 10/100/1000/10,000 megabits/sec. Not bytes.

10 gig has been around for quite a while now and stardardized for a couple years. And it normally uses single mode, not multimode due to serious distance restrictions/modal bandwidth on multi-mode. Not trying to correct, just to let you know.

to the voice of reason: :thumbsup:
 

EyeMWing

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
"Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine estimate that the human retina can transmit visual input at about the same rate as an Ethernet connection, one of the most common local area network systems used today."

10 million bytes a second is 10mbit. I think the good doctors need to pick up a newer copy of whatever textbook they got THAT tidbit out of.

Big B = bytes. Little b = bits.

Ethernet is 10/100/1000/10,000 megabits/sec. Not bytes.

10 gig has been around for quite a while now and stardardized for a couple years. And it normally uses single mode, not multimode due to serious distance restrictions/modal bandwidth on multi-mode. Not trying to correct, just to let you know.

Gah, I know all that. Had a brain fart and typed bits as bytes. But they still need to go pick up a new textbook if they think 10mbit is anywhere near normal.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
"Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine estimate that the human retina can transmit visual input at about the same rate as an Ethernet connection, one of the most common local area network systems used today."

10 million bytes a second is 10mbit. I think the good doctors need to pick up a newer copy of whatever textbook they got THAT tidbit out of.

Big B = bytes. Little b = bits.

Ethernet is 10/100/1000/10,000 megabits/sec. Not bytes.

10 gig has been around for quite a while now and stardardized for a couple years. And it normally uses single mode, not multimode due to serious distance restrictions/modal bandwidth on multi-mode. Not trying to correct, just to let you know.

Gah, I know all that. Had a brain fart and typed bits as bytes. But they still need to go pick up a new textbook if they think 10mbit is anywhere near normal.

is till in use though and although ambiguous, their statment that compares human eye to an ethernet connection standsup as it compares it to the specification, not the limit of said specification....



ex: officers said the man was traveling at highways speeds thorough the mall after he punched a hole through the wall of the Chinese Eatery on the South Side of the complex"


highway is the medium that is used to give an idea of what speeds he was traveling. Question is, is highway va's 55 or Texas' 55 or Texas' 85mph? :D


edit:it's been a long day..I'm jsut messin' with cha:p