HUGE article on Barcelona core

TraumaRN

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Link for the lazy


I'm really excited for the second half of 2007 now. This new quad core looks sexy :D

Plus with the 45nm Penryn in there someplace it's gonna be a good year for CPUs.

Anyone else thinking this proc will be yet another AMD FP beast??


Feel free to comment....nice to see some movement *finally* on AMD's end with releasing some info on Barcelona

 

TraumaRN

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Originally posted by: Kromis
Whoever wins, we lose!

:roll:

I think we've all heard that one a little too much.



Also when/what is Intel's native(as in single die) Quad Core?? Only thing I found was it's called either Bloomfield or Yorkfield(yorktown??)

 

Kromis

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Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Originally posted by: Kromis
Whoever wins, we lose!

:roll:

I think we've all heard that one a little too much.



Also when/what is Intel's native(as in single die) Quad Core?? Only thing I found was it's called either Bloomfield or Yorkfield(yorktown??)

Yeah, I know. Hah!

Anyways, their native Quad will *probably* be either late 2007 or early 08! Well...maybe once they get that 45nm out!
 

Lord Banshee

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Looking forward to this beast to compare to Intel's quad core.

I'll be upgrading to quad core by the end of the year so let the fight begin early so enough time passes by for prices to decrease.
 

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it'll be this vs intel's 45nm offerings
So it'll be an interesting end to 2007 and a interesting beginning to 2008
If intel can undercut AMD on prices(cause of its 45nm process) while offering performance on par or slightly less,they will have a smooth time till nehalem.

But barcelona's power management options will be valuable in servers/workstations.
 

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Originally posted by: Lord Banshee
Looking forward to this beast to compare to Intel's quad core.

I'll be upgrading to quad core by the end of the year so let the fight begin early so enough time passes by for prices to decrease.

According to the latest release:
EETimes
"Advanced Micro Devices upcoming Barcelona processor will sport floating-point performance 42 percent higher than Intel's current top-of-the line CPU, the Xeon X5355 also known as Clovertown"
"Mario Rivas, general manager of AMD's microprocessor group, said Barcelona will provide a double-digit leap in integer performance over the quad-core Xeon, though he declined to be more specific. Henri Richard, chief of sales and marketing at AMD, said Barcelona will have a significant integer performance lead over Intel's quad-core chips"

42% improvement in FP and double digit improvement in integer over quad core Xeon.
 

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I hope Kuma will be for AM2 as it appears to be the "budget" pc compared to the Opterons and Quad Cores.

I'm doubting on this site will see a lot of early opteron adapters. You first have to take in account of Bios updates and motherboard support and then the usual A-B-C revisions of the actual processor itself. So getting a Processor on a immature AMD 60nm at 2.1GHz does not seem like a wise choose at the moment when they could likely hit the 3.0GHz mark later in the year. This will also spark a lot interest how well these cores will scale in performance when the frequency jumps.

It should be very interesting indeed how AMD intends to respond to Intel over a period of time. 4-5 years will simply not cut it anymore against Intel and AMD has ran out of excuses a long time ago after dumping the K9-K10 projects early. There is a lot of light at the end of AMDs tunnel if they are directed carefully and efficiently.
 

Grabo

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'Excuses' and 'excuses'; they can either keep pace with Intel or they can't, and in the latter case the consumers, who would rather purchase the temporarily best number cruncher than attempt to keep the balance between two struggling giants, will be the losers.
 

zsdersw

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Originally posted by: Viditor
EETimes
"Advanced Micro Devices upcoming Barcelona processor will sport floating-point performance 42 percent higher than Intel's current top-of-the line CPU, the Xeon X5355 also known as Clovertown"
"Mario Rivas, general manager of AMD's microprocessor group, said Barcelona will provide a double-digit leap in integer performance over the quad-core Xeon, though he declined to be more specific. Henri Richard, chief of sales and marketing at AMD, said Barcelona will have a significant integer performance lead over Intel's quad-core chips"

42% improvement in FP and double digit improvement in integer over quad core Xeon.

No skepticism on your part for any of that like you had with Conroe just before it's release?

 

Hulk

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Originally posted by: zsdersw
Originally posted by: Viditor
EETimes
"Advanced Micro Devices upcoming Barcelona processor will sport floating-point performance 42 percent higher than Intel's current top-of-the line CPU, the Xeon X5355 also known as Clovertown"
"Mario Rivas, general manager of AMD's microprocessor group, said Barcelona will provide a double-digit leap in integer performance over the quad-core Xeon, though he declined to be more specific. Henri Richard, chief of sales and marketing at AMD, said Barcelona will have a significant integer performance lead over Intel's quad-core chips"

42% improvement in FP and double digit improvement in integer over quad core Xeon.

No skepticism on your part for any of that like you had with Conroe just before it's release?


I remember a lot of the AMD guys around here poo pooing Conroe even AFTER Anand had himself benchmarked it!!! But those same people will stand on a little quote from AMD as the God's honest truth.

I REALLY do hope Barcelona CRUSHES Intel's offerings!

I'll have my fingers crossed.
 

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This means all of us that have stuck with AMD instead of hopping on the C2D bandwagon will be able to pick up everybody's c2d's when you replace them with barcelonas :D
 

Viditor

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Originally posted by: zsdersw
Originally posted by: Viditor
EETimes
"Advanced Micro Devices upcoming Barcelona processor will sport floating-point performance 42 percent higher than Intel's current top-of-the line CPU, the Xeon X5355 also known as Clovertown"
"Mario Rivas, general manager of AMD's microprocessor group, said Barcelona will provide a double-digit leap in integer performance over the quad-core Xeon, though he declined to be more specific. Henri Richard, chief of sales and marketing at AMD, said Barcelona will have a significant integer performance lead over Intel's quad-core chips"

42% improvement in FP and double digit improvement in integer over quad core Xeon.

No skepticism on your part for any of that like you had with Conroe just before it's release?

No need for me to be skeptical Z, you have enough skepticism for 10 of us...I'm just trying to keep the information flowing and the thoughts balanced. :)
 

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Barcelona is not topping Conroe. It will be close, but not the kind of improvement we saw going from K8 to Core 2. Otherwise Barcelona would be over twice as powerful as K8 and that's hard to believe since it was just a lot of tweaks to the K8 architecture.
 

TraumaRN

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Originally posted by: StopSign
Barcelona is not topping Conroe. It will be close, but not the kind of improvement we saw going from K8 to Core 2. Otherwise Barcelona would be over twice as powerful as K8 and that's hard to believe since it was just a lot of tweaks to the K8 architecture.

Wait a minute....did you read the article?

Or are you just trying to set people off?
 

SexyK

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Originally posted by: Viditor
Originally posted by: Lord Banshee
Looking forward to this beast to compare to Intel's quad core.

I'll be upgrading to quad core by the end of the year so let the fight begin early so enough time passes by for prices to decrease.

According to the latest release:
EETimes
"Advanced Micro Devices upcoming Barcelona processor will sport floating-point performance 42 percent higher than Intel's current top-of-the line CPU, the Xeon X5355 also known as Clovertown"
"Mario Rivas, general manager of AMD's microprocessor group, said Barcelona will provide a double-digit leap in integer performance over the quad-core Xeon, though he declined to be more specific. Henri Richard, chief of sales and marketing at AMD, said Barcelona will have a significant integer performance lead over Intel's quad-core chips"

42% improvement in FP and double digit improvement in integer over quad core Xeon.

Fluff from the chief of marketing? :thumbsdown: I'll wait for benchmarks a la the Core 2 launch.
 
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Im fairly sure that Barcelona will top conroe, but i find it difficult to belive that it will be my a lot. Then again we will have to wait and see.
 

F1shF4t

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Originally posted by: StopSign
Barcelona is not topping Conroe. It will be close, but not the kind of improvement we saw going from K8 to Core 2. Otherwise Barcelona would be over twice as powerful as K8 and that's hard to believe since it was just a lot of tweaks to the K8 architecture.

Core 2 is not twice as fast as k8, more like 20% clock for clock, core 2 duo's just overclock like mad.

 

zsdersw

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Originally posted by: Viditor
No need for me to be skeptical Z, you have enough skepticism for 10 of us

Actually, I haven't said anything, positive or negative, about Barcelona.

...I'm just trying to keep the information flowing and the thoughts balanced. :)

Doubtful.

 

Acanthus

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Most of the information thats out there cant be extrapolated into real world gains. It's too vague to predict where or even if we will see large gains.

We will see at launch.

I also find the clockspeeds disappointing unless there is an enormous gain in IPC, im still pointing at problems with AMDs 65nm.
 

Hyperlite

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Originally posted by: zsdersw
Originally posted by: Viditor
No need for me to be skeptical Z, you have enough skepticism for 10 of us

Actually, I haven't said anything, positive or negative, about Barcelona.

...I'm just trying to keep the information flowing and the thoughts balanced. :)

Doubtful.

troll.


Very exciting article! Things are going to be great for us at the end of 2007.
 

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Well I think it is probably that if Barcelona is a winner and they can regain the lead from Intel for a while it will give AMD a much needed boost. More needed in 6 months than now.

But if for some reason Barcelona does not live up to expectations... Let's say it's marginally more efficient than Conroe at the same clock, or equal to whatever Intel has out at the time, and the Intel part can still clock higher then it's going to be a rough road for AMD since they will fall farther behind.

If I had to make a prediction right now I'd say that the part will perform efficiently. I'm sure AMD has run tons of simulations to make sure of that. But the part they always seem to have trouble with it getting the part out in a timely manner and with good yields. I'm more worried about them ramping clockspeed up to competitive levels than anything else.

Remember what happened to that grapics company. 3Dfx basically slipped up 1 product cycle release. ATI and nVidia jumped on them and it was over.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Hulk
Well I think it is probably that if Barcelona is a winner and they can regain the lead from Intel for a while it will give AMD a much needed boost. More needed in 6 months than now.

But if for some reason Barcelona does not live up to expectations... Let's say it's marginally more efficient than Conroe at the same clock, or equal to whatever Intel has out at the time, and the Intel part can still clock higher then it's going to be a rough road for AMD since they will fall farther behind.

If I had to make a prediction right now I'd say that the part will perform efficiently. I'm sure AMD has run tons of simulations to make sure of that. But the part they always seem to have trouble with it getting the part out in a timely manner and with good yields. I'm more worried about them ramping clockspeed up to competitive levels than anything else.

Remember what happened to that grapics company. 3Dfx basically slipped up 1 product cycle release. ATI and nVidia jumped on them and it was over.

Thats my biggest concern.

Talks of corporate buyouts, huge debt, and now they are behind on THREE fronts (graphics, chipset, cpu).
 

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Originally posted by: Hulk
Well I think it is probably that if Barcelona is a winner and they can regain the lead from Intel for a while it will give AMD a much needed boost. More needed in 6 months than now.

But if for some reason Barcelona does not live up to expectations... Let's say it's marginally more efficient than Conroe at the same clock, or equal to whatever Intel has out at the time, and the Intel part can still clock higher then it's going to be a rough road for AMD since they will fall farther behind.

If I had to make a prediction right now I'd say that the part will perform efficiently. I'm sure AMD has run tons of simulations to make sure of that. But the part they always seem to have trouble with it getting the part out in a timely manner and with good yields. I'm more worried about them ramping clockspeed up to competitive levels than anything else.

Remember what happened to that grapics company. 3Dfx basically slipped up 1 product cycle release. ATI and nVidia jumped on them and it was over.

I agree 100%.

Intel will have the manufacturing advantage. Even if AMD is say ~5% more efficient, Intel has a very good architecture on it's hands, and can just ramp clock speeds to compensate.

Sucks, but this is the truth.
 

HurleyBird

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Even if they do, AMD will still be able to take the lead in servers once again.

Don't forget that Intel has pretty much always been a node ahead of AMD, yet AMD has been fairly competitive since the Athlon. This is nothing new really.