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Huckabee Jr. arrested !

Farang

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I suppose the punishment makes sense, but sucks if it was just an honest mistake.
 

CycloWizard

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I love how they call the TSA person watching the X-ray monitor an "X-ray technician," despite the fact that they have no clue how they work. Ah, the politically correct job titles... I need to go back and give myself a few more years of engineering experience on my resume... 2 years of custodial engineering and five more construction engineering. :D
 

rpanic

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Mike Huckabee said his son grabbed the bag on the way to the airport and didn't realize the gun was inside.

"It's one of those stupid things," Mike Huckabee said. "He knows better."

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Ya right, sorry if I don?t believe your dog hanging psycho son.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: rpanic

Ya right, sorry if I don?t believe your dog hanging psycho son.

Before anyone asks you WTF you're talking about...

A Son?s Past Deeds Come Back To Bite Huckabee


By Michael Isikoff and Holly Bailey | NEWSWEEK
Dec 24, 2007 Issue | Updated: 2:51 p.m. ET Dec 15, 2007

As Mike Huckabee gains in the polls, the former Arkansas governor is finding that his record in office is getting more scrutiny. One issue likely to get attention is his handling of a sensitive family matter: allegations that one of his sons was involved in the hanging of a stray dog at a Boy Scout camp in 1998. The incident led to the dismissal of David Huckabee, then 17, from his job as a counselor at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, Ark. It also prompted the local prosecuting attorney? bombarded with complaints generated by a national animal-rights group?to write a letter to the Arkansas state police seeking help investigating whether David and another teenager had violated state animal-cruelty laws. The state police never granted the request, and no charges were ever filed. But John Bailey, then the director of Arkansas's state police, tells NEWSWEEK that Governor Huckabee's chief of staff and personal lawyer both leaned on him to write a letter officially denying the local prosecutor's request. Bailey, a career officer who had been appointed chief by Huckabee's Democratic predecessor, said he viewed the lawyer's intervention as improper and terminated the conversation. Seven months later, he was called into Huckabee's office and fired. "I've lost confidence in your ability to do your job," Bailey says Huckabee told him. One reason Huckabee cited was "I couldn't get you to help me with my son when I had that problem," according to Bailey. "Without question, [Huckabee] was making a conscious attempt to keep the state police from investigating his son," says I. C. Smith, the former FBI chief in Little Rock, who worked closely with Bailey and called him a "courageous" and "very solid" professional.

Huckabee called Bailey's account "totally untrue" and described him as a "bitter" exemployee. "I asked him to resign because he had so alienated the entire state police," he said. "It had nothing to do with my son." Brenda Turner, Huckabee's then chief of staff, and Kevin Crass, the Huckabee family lawyer, also disputed Bailey's account, although both acknowledged talking to him about the dog killing. "I asked him, 'Is it normal for the state police to ? investigate something that happened at a Boy Scout camp?' " Turner says. "We wanted the same treatment that anybody else would get." (Animal cruelty in Arkansas is a misdemeanor, not a felony.)

The details of the incident remain murky. The Animal Legal Defense Fund got an anonymous fax that summer alleging that David Huckabee and another youth had been involved in the hanging of a stray dog at the camp on July 11. A local animal-rights activist, Joyce Hillard, later contacted the camp director. Notes of Hillard's report to the defense fund read, "Boys confessed & were fired. Dir. is making excuses, saying dog was sic & boys were putting him out of his misery." (The director told NEWSWEEK only that a stray dog was "put down" and that the counselors were fired for violating the Scout credo to be "kind.") The father of the other counselor was quoted by the Arkansas Democrat Gazette in August 1998 as saying that his son found the dog "hung over a limb and choking." David Huckabee did not respond to requests for comment. (In April of this year, he was arrested?and paid a fine?when he forgot to remove a loaded gun from his carry-on luggage at Little Rock airport.) His father told NEWSWEEK that his son did not engage in "intentional torture." "There was a dog that apparently had mange and was absolutely, I guess, emaciated." A campaign official says David "regrets" the incident and notes that he later made Eagle Scout.
Click Here

© 2007 Newsweek, Inc.

The most interesting part of this is, the pic in this article is exactly the same as the one in article at the OP's link. Down to the same shirt, the same fat jowels and the same five oc'clock shadow.

Very strange. :p

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Ummm, that was April of last year, and well known.

It doesn't make it anymore right.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
Originally posted by: Farang
I suppose the punishment makes sense, but sucks if it was just an honest mistake.

mandatory "mistake is no defense" comment.

Mandatory, ?a mistake by a child != criminal reflection upon the father? comment.
 

Pabster

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Wait, we can't blame the father for sins of the son. Or vice-versa.

Jr. might well be a dumbass, but his father is downright dangerous. In a much different way.
 
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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: rpanic

Ya right, sorry if I don?t believe your dog hanging psycho son.

Before anyone asks you WTF you're talking about...

A Son?s Past Deeds Come Back To Bite Huckabee


By Michael Isikoff and Holly Bailey | NEWSWEEK
Dec 24, 2007 Issue | Updated: 2:51 p.m. ET Dec 15, 2007

As Mike Huckabee gains in the polls, the former Arkansas governor is finding that his record in office is getting more scrutiny. One issue likely to get attention is his handling of a sensitive family matter: allegations that one of his sons was involved in the hanging of a stray dog at a Boy Scout camp in 1998. The incident led to the dismissal of David Huckabee, then 17, from his job as a counselor at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, Ark. It also prompted the local prosecuting attorney? bombarded with complaints generated by a national animal-rights group?to write a letter to the Arkansas state police seeking help investigating whether David and another teenager had violated state animal-cruelty laws. The state police never granted the request, and no charges were ever filed. But John Bailey, then the director of Arkansas's state police, tells NEWSWEEK that Governor Huckabee's chief of staff and personal lawyer both leaned on him to write a letter officially denying the local prosecutor's request. Bailey, a career officer who had been appointed chief by Huckabee's Democratic predecessor, said he viewed the lawyer's intervention as improper and terminated the conversation. Seven months later, he was called into Huckabee's office and fired. "I've lost confidence in your ability to do your job," Bailey says Huckabee told him. One reason Huckabee cited was "I couldn't get you to help me with my son when I had that problem," according to Bailey. "Without question, [Huckabee] was making a conscious attempt to keep the state police from investigating his son," says I. C. Smith, the former FBI chief in Little Rock, who worked closely with Bailey and called him a "courageous" and "very solid" professional.

Huckabee called Bailey's account "totally untrue" and described him as a "bitter" exemployee. "I asked him to resign because he had so alienated the entire state police," he said. "It had nothing to do with my son." Brenda Turner, Huckabee's then chief of staff, and Kevin Crass, the Huckabee family lawyer, also disputed Bailey's account, although both acknowledged talking to him about the dog killing. "I asked him, 'Is it normal for the state police to ? investigate something that happened at a Boy Scout camp?' " Turner says. "We wanted the same treatment that anybody else would get." (Animal cruelty in Arkansas is a misdemeanor, not a felony.)

The details of the incident remain murky. The Animal Legal Defense Fund got an anonymous fax that summer alleging that David Huckabee and another youth had been involved in the hanging of a stray dog at the camp on July 11. A local animal-rights activist, Joyce Hillard, later contacted the camp director. Notes of Hillard's report to the defense fund read, "Boys confessed & were fired. Dir. is making excuses, saying dog was sic & boys were putting him out of his misery." (The director told NEWSWEEK only that a stray dog was "put down" and that the counselors were fired for violating the Scout credo to be "kind.") The father of the other counselor was quoted by the Arkansas Democrat Gazette in August 1998 as saying that his son found the dog "hung over a limb and choking." David Huckabee did not respond to requests for comment. (In April of this year, he was arrested?and paid a fine?when he forgot to remove a loaded gun from his carry-on luggage at Little Rock airport.) His father told NEWSWEEK that his son did not engage in "intentional torture." "There was a dog that apparently had mange and was absolutely, I guess, emaciated." A campaign official says David "regrets" the incident and notes that he later made Eagle Scout.
Click Here

© 2007 Newsweek, Inc.

The most interesting part of this is, the pic in this article is exactly the same as the one in article at the OP's link. Down to the same shirt, the same fat jowels and the same five oc'clock shadow.

Very strange. :p

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Ummm, that was April of last year, and well known.

It doesn't make it anymore right.

Right? I didn't say anything about right or wrong. I just said it was well known...inferring that it wasn't much of a factor in the current run for pres.

If you want to get into right and wrong, obviously the dog thing is horrible...but having a gun, well, that's probably going to depend how we feel about carrying in the first place.
 

Farang

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Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
Originally posted by: Farang
I suppose the punishment makes sense, but sucks if it was just an honest mistake.

mandatory "mistake is no defense" comment.

Yes mistake is certainly a defense. I don't know about this particular law but in other areas of criminal law, the defense often uses "it was a mistake" as a defense. A mistake as in an unintended accident, not as in a regretted action.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Wait, we can't blame the father for sins of the son. Or vice-versa.

Jr. might well be a dumbass, but his father is downright dangerous. In a much different way.

We agree on that, but stupid genes come from somewhere. :p
 

Noobtastic

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Wait, we can't blame the father for sins of the son. Or vice-versa.

Jr. might well be a dumbass, but his father is downright dangerous. In a much different way.

Not more so than any of the other candidates.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Not more so than any of the other candidates.

Yes, much more so. Huckabee's a religious nutjob. And I despise them even more than political opportunists who sway with every poll (like McCain).
 

StageLeft

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It might have been an honest mistake if one of us did it, but then I doubt any of us are dog-hangers, so I'm inclined to be a bit more cautious.

Yes, much more so. Huckabee's a religious nutjob. And I despise them even more than political opportunists who sway with every poll (like McCain).

Good stuff!
 

Noobtastic

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Yes, much more so. Huckabee's a religious nutjob. And I despise them even more than political opportunists who sway with every poll (like McCain).

They are all religious nutjobs, just some belong to different religions than other.


i personally like huckabee, and he seems like a very predictable candidate. unlike Obama's vague message of "change/hope" or hillary's "we are the government."

id be content with huckabee, clinton, mccain, and RON PAUL.


either way, we're probably f88ked.

 

Thump553

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Who cares was the son does, this is totally meaningless, unlike the hanging dog story. What greatly concerned me there was the direct allegations that Governor Huckabee tried to use the power of his office to cover up for his son. That's probably a crime on Huckabee's part (obstruction of justice) and certainly points to a major character flaw of the candidate. I was always surprised that story faded so fast. I guess with Guiliani's scandals coming out almost daily the public is jaded about all the candidates.
 

Nebor

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I'm guessing Huckabee pulled strings that kept his son from being charged with a federal crime.

I have no problem with people bringing guns on planes. *shrug*
 

shrumpage

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Originally posted by: Nebor
I'm guessing Huckabee pulled strings that kept his son from being charged with a federal crime.

I have no problem with people bringing guns on planes. *shrug*

I really doubt that. This happens, more often then you think. At the Anchorage Airport, it was reported that about once a week a gun would be caught in screening. And unless the person is a known felony or has a warrent out from them, not much would happen.

There is chance person will lose the weapon, they will be held up, miss their flight, and in this case fined. Only if the person was a felon, has a warrent, or was throwing a fit - will the book be thrown at them.