Huckabee: Demonizing Obama Is A "Fatal" Campaign Strategy

jpeyton

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The Huckster is 100% right on this one. The Republican voting base is deflated, party identification is low, fund-raising is lacking, and yet the party is using 2004 tactics to negatively campaign against Obama instead of making sure their own team shows up in November.

On the other hand, the Democratic voting base is fully energized, voter registrations are at record levels, party identification is high, and fund raising is through the roof.

Huckabee is also dropping hints for GOP Congress members and state government officials who might alienate independents who will vote Obama but *could* lean towards the GOP in Congress. The three special election Congress seats that Democrats won earlier this year in heavily Republican districts featured some anti-Obama campaigning that backfired.

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Former GOP presidential contender Mike Huckabee called Barack Obama's candidacy "a landmark achievement" Tuesday, and warned fellow Republicans not to demonize Obama.

"Republicans will make a fundamental if not fatal mistake if they seek to win the election by demonizing Barack Obama," Huckabee told reporters in Tokyo, according to a report by Agence France-Presse.

Huckabee praised the country for getting "to a point where we did not see his color but we truly saw his charisma, his message and what he brought to the campaign trail."

"When people are really hurting ? and they are right now ? they're not looking at a person's race," he added.

Huckabee said he hopes John McCain beats Obama, but that Republicans should focus on policy differences, not race.

Huckabee suggested questions about whether he might join McCain on the ticket were premature. "You can't accept an invitation to the prom until the football captain asks you. So I'm not going to go out and buy the outfit just yet," said Huckabee, according to AFP.
 

fskimospy

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I have to say I disagree with Huckabee. If I were John McCain I would be trashing Obama with everything in sight. It's really his only chance.
 

Tab

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I think the Republican Party is to put it bluntly - fucked. There's literally no point in funding any presidential campaign against Obama. After 8 years of the Bush Administration they've lost all credibility.

If Obama's presidency does what it's suppose to do I think it's the end of the Republican Party.
 

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The Republicans had been getting a few percent of the black electorate, and increasing, the last few years.
However, the overt and covert racism of this campaign at the least will keep those few percent away from the polls, and at the most, cause them to vote Democratic.
And they may lose a few percent of the black vote for quite awhile if the racists keep up their antics and the Republican party doesn't constantly disavow them.
 

nageov3t

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and no doubt, who knows more about winning a national campaign than the guy who carried 8 states.

However, the overt and covert racism of this campaign at the least will keep those few percent away from the polls, and at the most, cause them to vote Democratic.

what racism? do you expect the republican party to go out of their way to disavow every single button or bumper sticker made by guys looking to make a buck?
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: loki8481
and no doubt, who knows more about winning a national campaign than the guy who carried 8 states.

However, the overt and covert racism of this campaign at the least will keep those few percent away from the polls, and at the most, cause them to vote Democratic.

what racism? do you expect the republican party to go out of their way to disavow every single button or bumper sticker made by guys looking to make a buck?

There's still a lot of racism in the deep south but it's not like they weren't voting republican anyway...
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
The Republican ... party is using 2004 tactics to negatively campaign against Obama instead of making sure their own team shows up in November.
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Where are you getting this from?

I haven't seen any negative campaign ads by the RNC or McCain. Where do you get this stuiff from?

Link us up. Prove your claim.

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Huck says just stick to "policy differences"

Nope, can't agree with that at all; it's a recipe for losing.

Obama's inexperience is not a policy difference. And IMO they shouldn't just cede that away. Nothing whatsoever wrong with it as a campaign issue. Just ask Hillary.

Obama has done a ton of campaigning on "judgement". Judgement ain't a policy. They need to campaign on that too. They shouldn't just cede that away either. Totally stupid.

Obama is relatively unknown. Being "unknown" ain't a policy difference. They need to go after that too. When you're a blank slate people tend tend to fill it in how they want, something they like. They need to make HIM fill it in.

"Hope and change" ain't a policy. Go after it. Exactly WHAT change etc. Although I conceede that is part of highlighting policy differences. But making him define "hope and change" is part of flushing out policy differences.

Huckabee is a boobabee.

Fern

PS: Campaigning on race is so stupid I won't even comment on that.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Tab
I think the Republican Party is to put it bluntly - fucked. There's literally no point in funding any presidential campaign against Obama. After 8 years of the Bush Administration they've lost all credibility.

If Obama's presidency does what it's suppose to do I think it's the end of the Republican Party.

I think you underestimate the power of the wealthy interests, and campaign techniques have only gotten far more sophisticated in the 50 years since Republicans came back after the last time they were 'destroyed', when after their policies were blamed for the great depression, FDR was credited by most voters with leading the country out of the depression, and to victory in WWII, yet only a few years later the voters had given the government back to the Republicans, including McCarthyism, Nixon as VP, and policies like the Shah in Iran.

And we're a long way from an FDR election so far. It remains to be seen what Obama will do. Remember how Republicans were destroyed after Watergate, then Jimmy Carter and Reagan?

The mere near-election of a candidate as bad as Bush in 2000 and re-election in 2004 speaks volumes to the ability they have to get elected.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: jpeyton
The Republican ... party is using 2004 tactics to negatively campaign against Obama instead of making sure their own team shows up in November.
-snip-

Where are you getting this from?

I haven't seen any negative campaign ads by the RNC or McCain. Where do you get this stuiff from?

Link us up. Prove your claim.
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nageov3t

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: jpeyton
The Republican ... party is using 2004 tactics to negatively campaign against Obama instead of making sure their own team shows up in November.
-snip-

Where are you getting this from?

I haven't seen any negative campaign ads by the RNC or McCain. Where do you get this stuiff from?

Link us up. Prove your claim.
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I can't access youtube at work, but is that the video from months and months ago that the national republican party called out the state party on?

the idea that the national GOP is going to run on a platform of race-baiting is absurd (though the DNC certainly doesn't seem shy about ageism), but when you have a conservative candidate running against the most liberal major candidate in a generation, why would the conservative walk on eggshells when it comes to their fundamental differences in policy and experience?
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: jpeyton
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I can't access youtube at work, but is that the video from months and months ago that the national republican party called out the state party on?

Yeah, that's it. It's the Rev. Wright thing. I.e., not from the RNC or McCain campaign.

I'll agree that's it a *negative* campaign ad.

But it shouldn't be off limits IMO.

It does address the "judgement issue", and I think inexperience as well. OTOH, it could be seen as a *scare whitey* thing.

While I thought it intially unfair to reach into church services for campaigning, after the Rev. Wright later willingly jumped into the spotlight he's fair game. And people can draw their conclusion whether it has meaning, or even what meaning it might be.

Fern
 

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There is a certain irony in the fact that the OP in this thread, jpeyton, embraces the Huckabee advice for the GOP, but seems to embody not taking the same advice for the democrats.

As a partisan democrat its not only an easy sell that McCain has a phony Military record, I had long before concluded the same without any help from jpeyton. But as someone who agrees with the hypothesis McCain nthat McCain is an idiot , jpeyton only gives me additional evidence that my initial conclusions are correct regarding McCain.

But as we can amply see from certain other GOP fans, all jpeyton does is to get GOP posters ever more convinced that McCain is being swift boated. Which will then justify the almost certain to come swift boating of Obama.

The FACTS are already out and we cannot lead the partisan to partake of the facts, but we can avoid making the McCain facts into an emotional issue.
 

yllus

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Disagree. Play the national security card as hard as you can without puking from self-disgust. Play the experience in Washington card. There's really no other option.
 

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Originally posted by: Fern


Huck says just stick to "policy differences"

Nope, can't agree with that at all; it's a recipe for losing.

Obama's inexperience is not a policy difference. And IMO they shouldn't just cede that away. Nothing whatsoever wrong with it as a campaign issue. Just ask Hillary.

Obama has done a ton of campaigning on "judgement". Judgement ain't a policy. They need to campaign on that too. They shouldn't just cede that away either. Totally stupid.

Obama is relatively unknown. Being "unknown" ain't a policy difference. They need to go after that too. When you're a blank slate people tend tend to fill it in how they want, something they like. They need to make HIM fill it in.

"Hope and change" ain't a policy. Go after it. Exactly WHAT change etc. Although I conceede that is part of highlighting policy differences. But making him define "hope and change" is part of flushing out policy differences.

Huckabee is a boobabee.

Fern

PS: Campaigning on race is so stupid I won't even comment on that.

I agree.
 

Jhhnn

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Race *is* a factor in many locales, but as has been pointed out, Dems weren't going to win there, anyway. Lyndon Johnson was right- when he signed the civil rights act, dems lost the South for at least a generation.

The problem for repubs, and McCain, is that Obama doesn't come off as "Black", at all. Even people who harbor some lingering racial stereotyping and distrust don't see him that way. And that's because Obama isn't a product of American Black culture, but of his maternal family's culture- White America, and of Harvard. The way he carries himself, the way he speaks and thinks have nothing to do with those stereotypes, and everything to do with a very educated and intelligent persona who transcends the whole idea of Race.

As for the rest of it, McCain is very much caught between a rock and a hard place. The Bush faction beat the skins right off of the Terrar! drum and the national security drum- they're worn out, ineffective. the electorate is sick of hearing 'em. The electorate is also sick of Iraq, and will gladly accept any sort of withdrawal where our troops aren't taking lead in their backsides...

Everybody other than the Faithful have very deep concerns over the state of the Economy and the Debt, both of which are consequences of Republican rule and trickledown economics that haven't delivered other than to the very top. It's gotten so weird that even when much of America is experiencing recession type economic conditions, nobody will admit we're in a recession because those at the very top are doing so very, very well... Swing voters are acutely aware of these things, and have rightfully concluded that they're been flimflammed by Repubs. Even people who normally wouldn't vote Democrat will do so, simply on the basis of throwing the bums out...

Yet McCain has to hew to the party line to maintain the faithful and to attract funding... with much of the big money repub donor base already not being enthusiastic about his candidacy in the first place, they're not anxious to invest in what they see as a losing proposition, either.

What's happened is that Repubs have discredited themselves by creating a yawning chasm between what they promised and what they delivered, and that the public is very much chagrined at having been duped quite so badly on so many issues... even people who don't conceptualize it in those terms.

Huckabee's right- Repubs everywhere, particularly McCain, are going to have to sell themselves on the basis that they're better, that they'll do a better job, not that Dems or Obama are worse- and that'll be tough when they have to toe the party line, the results of which are definitely worse than anything we've seen in a very long time... They've lost the perception that they hold the moral highground, rightfully so, which means that they won't be perceived as pushing the opposition down into the mud, but rather dragging them down, with all that entails...
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
I have to say I disagree with Huckabee. If I were John McCain I would be trashing Obama with everything in sight. It's really his only chance.

I agree with Huckabee. Of course I voted for him in the primary.

Republicans won in 02 and 04 by holding strong against negative attack campaigns. The American people respond to an optimistic strategy that they can read about one day and vote for the next.

McCain should not, and practically cannot win the presidency being who he is. He is not a charismatic man and thus holds the same failings that cost Gore and Kerry the elections respectively. So without character to campaign on, he must turn to ideals, and that is where he is a nothing more than a bankrupt watered down version of Obama.
 

Genx87

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I agree, there is plenty of things wrong with Obama that they dont need to demonize.
Speak about the issues and let Obama trip on himself. Case #1 is his idiotic plan for oil and gasoline prices. Demonizing turns off independents.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Tab
I think the Republican Party is to put it bluntly - fucked. There's literally no point in funding any presidential campaign against Obama. After 8 years of the Bush Administration they've lost all credibility.

If Obama's presidency does what it's suppose to do I think it's the end of the Republican Party.

Yet McCain is within the marging of error in most polls. Obama should be crushing McCain be he isnt.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: eskimospy
I have to say I disagree with Huckabee. If I were John McCain I would be trashing Obama with everything in sight. It's really his only chance.

I agree with Huckabee. Of course I voted for him in the primary.

Republicans won in 02 and 04 by holding strong against negative attack campaigns. The American people respond to an optimistic strategy that they can read about one day and vote for the next.

McCain should not, and practically cannot win the presidency being who he is. He is not a charismatic man and thus holds the same failings that cost Gore and Kerry the elections respectively. So without character to campaign on, he must turn to ideals, and that is where he is a nothing more than a bankrupt watered down version of Obama.

you broke my sarcasm meter
 

Jhhnn

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That's the damndest recital of commingled denial and delusion I've encountered in quite awhile, Jaskalas, and that's really saying something, considering some of what your fellow travelers have posted on this board...

It's... stunningly offensive.

the whole "global consent" smear and the attack of the Swiftliars wasn't an attack campaign? How about the usual "God, Guns and Gays!"? the portrayal of any opposition as terrarist sympathizers and defeatists?

McCain and Ideals? Repubs have no ideals, other than greed is good and mo' power is better- hey, every time he speaks, he holds closer and closer to the party line, to so-called republican ideals, which is precisely the reason he'll lose...
 

Zebo

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We'll find out that's for sure. Modern politics can't be civil and issue oriented in this short attention span nation.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Tab
I think the Republican Party is to put it bluntly - fucked. There's literally no point in funding any presidential campaign against Obama. After 8 years of the Bush Administration they've lost all credibility.

If Obama's presidency does what it's suppose to do I think it's the end of the Republican Party.

Yet McCain is within the marging of error in most polls. Obama should be crushing McCain be he isnt.

That's because Obama is very new to the national scene. He's also black. Give the people time and they'll warm up to him then those margins should increase.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Tab
I think the Republican Party is to put it bluntly - fucked. There's literally no point in funding any presidential campaign against Obama. After 8 years of the Bush Administration they've lost all credibility.

If Obama's presidency does what it's suppose to do I think it's the end of the Republican Party.

Yet McCain is within the marging of error in most polls. Obama should be crushing McCain be he isnt.

McCain is not within the margin of error for most polls.

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nageov3t

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I don't think 42% is that terrible considering GWB's overall approval rating.

when McCain loses, I think the blame will be laid at Bush's doorstep.