HTC One X+

[lothar]

Thats a pretty shitty sales person at Sprint, if he bought from a Sprint store anyway. :/

lothar, I think the general public knows what removable storage is and what they can do with it.

If they do, then why are they still buying iPhones?

 

[Bateluer]

If they do, then why are they still buying iPhones?

Thats only 1/3 of smartphone buyers. And it doesn't mean that they don't know what expandable storage is, it just means they've bought the Apple marketing.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Bigger battery and 64GB, deals with the two biggest problems of the OneX with differing levels of effectiveness.

Doesn't Tegra3 under perform Krait(comparing the HTC OneX USA vs. the International version)?

Most of the benches I've seen have them trading blows fairly evenly. The problem with even looking at those is that they were dealing with a Tegra 3 clocked ~25% slower then this one.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/05/htc-one-x-vs-one-s/

Looking over the benches, the 1.7GHZ Tegra 3 should actually mop the floor with the Kraits we have seen in production so far overall.

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

Bigger battery and 64GB, deals with the two biggest problems of the OneX with differing levels of effectiveness.



Most of the benches I've seen have them trading blows fairly evenly. The problem with even looking at those is that they were dealing with a Tegra 3 clocked ~25% slower then this one.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/05/htc-one-x-vs-one-s/

Looking over the benches, the 1.7GHZ Tegra 3 should actually mop the floor with the Kraits we have seen in production so far overall.

Only if the CPU can avoid throttling because of the heat. The international One X already had those kind of problems and now add in a 25% increase in clock frequency

Its a last minute cash grab by HTC and Nvidia

 

[BenSkywalker]

Only if the CPU can avoid throttling because of the heat. The international One X already had those kind of problems and now add in a 25% increase in clock frequency

Using nothing but logic, I think it is likely that the 1.7GHZ part will run cooler then the original Tegra 3. Everyone think that through before you go off

 

[gorcorps]

Well, 64gb does deal with the no-SD problem.

Bingo. My problem with the one x was storage capacity in general. While I would like just a card slot, bumping up the storage to 64 gigs is nice and should be enough for most. I'm still worried about how that memory is split, as android for some reason assigns a certain chunk of space for apps and you can use the rest for media storage. I wish I could just use the whole card for whatever I wanted.

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

Using nothing but logic, I think it is likely that the 1.7GHZ part will run cooler then the original Tegra 3. Everyone think that through before you go off

Care to expand on that?

 

[BenSkywalker]

Care to expand on that?

Tick-Tock. A Tegra refresh almost a year after launch while nV has spent the last ~ten months ramping up 28nm production. I may be way off base, but from a strictly logical basis it would make a whole lot of sense to get the Tegra team up to speed with 28nm before pushing out their quad A15/Kepler monster in a couple of months.

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

Tick-Tock. A Tegra refresh almost a year after launch while nV has spent the last ~ten months ramping up 28nm production. I may be way off base, but from a strictly logical basis it would make a whole lot of sense to get the Tegra team up to speed with 28nm before pushing out their quad A15/Kepler monster in a couple of months.

Unfortunately Brian Klug stated its still on the 40nm process on the main page. I was surprised aswell since earlier rumors indicated AP37 was a 28nm shrink

 

[BenSkywalker]

Unfortunately Brian Klug stated its still on the 40nm process on the main page.

Saw that, wasn't sure if it was another "A6 is A15" type comment. Not saying he's wrong, it just seems seriously screwed up to release a refresh this far in without using 28nm. BTW- Thermal envelope limits wouldn't have changed, so worst case it should have the same peak temperatures as the older, slower T3 chips.

 

[sontin]

As long as nVidia is supply constraint in their GPU business they will not launch a 28nm Tegra chip. It's a shame but they have no other choice. Their GPU business is making 85% of the revenue so they need a strong line up.

I hope we see a 28nm Tegra chip at CES.

 

[BenSkywalker]

118mm2 vs ~40mm2

That's GK107 vs a hypothetical T37@28nm. Given we have GK107 parts a bit over $100 and said T37 should be in the ~$20-$25 range the financial end of it actually works out pretty well for moving Tegra to 28nm before their low end parts.

NVIDIA posted record Tegra sales in the quarter, growing them by 35.5% to $179.7 million. Tegra sales accounted for 17.21% of overall sales in Q2 2013, as opposed to 14.34% in Q1.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/801...ut-continued-frustration-with-cash-deployment

Not saying that Tegra is bigger to them then consumer GPUs, but compared to a part such as the GK107 I have to think, worse case, it is easily comparable in terms of ROI.

 

[Bateluer]

Only if the CPU can avoid throttling because of the heat. The international One X already had those kind of problems and now add in a 25% increase in clock frequency

Its a last minute cash grab by HTC and Nvidia

You have a link to where the Intl One X was throttling? I've two Tegra 3 devices and neither throttles.

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

You have a link to where the Intl One X was throttling? I've two Tegra 3 devices and neither throttles.

Check the original One X thread at XDA. Tablets can handle more heat given the larger size.

 

[lothar]

You have a link to where the Intl One X was throttling? I've two Tegra 3 devices and neither throttles.

If I recall correctly, I think that was a Transformer Prime issue.

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

Should have mentioned though that the original AP33 came in 4 different variants so the issues may have been with the first One X launch devices.

Even then im wary of a 40nm chip that can clock as high as 1.7 GHz in a fairly thin phone

 

[sontin]

118mm2 vs ~40mm2

That's GK107 vs a hypothetical T37@28nm. Given we have GK107 parts a bit over $100 and said T37 should be in the ~$20-$25 range the financial end of it actually works out pretty well for moving Tegra to 28nm before their low end parts.



http://seekingalpha.com/article/801...ut-continued-frustration-with-cash-deployment

Not saying that Tegra is bigger to them then consumer GPUs, but compared to a part such as the GK107 I have to think, worse case, it is easily comparable in terms of ROI.

Geforce business jumped $150 Millions from Q1 -> Q2 because of more 28nm supply. That's nearly the same revenue they got from Tegra. They selling much more gpus than Tegra chips because of the larger market they have.

 

[Raghu]

The phone has LTE, which is a huge improvement for the Tegra3 international version.

http://reviews.cnet.com/cell-phones/htc-one-x-at/4505-6454_7-35477659.html

The US version has always had LTE, with the dual core S4 though.

 

[you2]

Vaguely I think the x+ is suppose to have a larger battery which is also a plus; I'm not convince that tegra 3 is either faster nor more power efficient than the s4 so I'm not sure why they made the switch.
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http://www.technobuffalo.com/comparisons/benchmarked-nvidia-tegra-3-vs-qualcomm-snapdragon-s4/

The above article suggestt he tegra 3 is faster in many cases (they do note the s4 is better at web browsing). Two things not covered are power consumption and i/o speed. I suspect that the s4 integrated lte support is more efficient than the tegra 3 lte solution.
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Given the timing of the phone I'm a bit surprise it did not use the s4 pro which is faster than the tegra 3 by a significant amount. I guess they are using it in the dlx (comming out this or next month on verizon) and maybe they didn't want the devices to compete ?

 

[BenSkywalker]

Given the timing of the phone I'm a bit surprise it did not use the s4 pro which is faster than the tegra 3 by a significant amount.

If you run GLBench all day, then the S4 Pro is absolutely the way to go.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/...agon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview

The S4 Pro loses against the T33 in one of the benches, most of the others not made by Qualcomm or called GLBenchmark it isn't all that impressive. Give the T3 another ~15%-20% clock speed bump and it would be neck and neck to winning the rest of the benches. For the record- I think GLBench is, at best, a sham benchmark. It is hideously ugly for how slow it runs, meaning the entire bench is coded very poorly on purpose to run like crap.

The S4Pro likely has a rather decent GPU advantage over T3, but it doesn't seem like it has much else going for it. Not saying that it wouldn't have been a valid option by any means, but factor in pricing and it may not be close to the slam dunk some people think. In all honesty right now if you want the strongest gaming on Android you run a T3(Horn won't run at all even on the mighty SG3).

 

[you2]

The S4Pro likely can handle more bw over the bus; the tegra 3 has problem with higher resolution devices because the I/O bus if rather limited.

 

[aaksheytalwar]

I maybe wrong, but won't a tegra 3 be slower than the current CPU?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I maybe wrong, but won't a tegra 3 be slower than the current CPU?

By a little, but I don't think anything is really holding the One X up in general. The Intl version flies to begin with. Any slowness you feel is due to Sense rather than the hardware. C'mon, if a GNex can fly on JB, I'd expect a quad core to be much better.

Plus with the 200mhz bump, I think the Tegra and S4 gap will be eliminated or close enough.

 

[dagamer34]

Unfortunately Brian Klug stated its still on the 40nm process on the main page. I was surprised aswell since earlier rumors indicated AP37 was a 28nm shrink

It costs money to respin and re-certify a die for a new process, so I think nVidia is just binning chips that can perform at higher clocks. It's cheaper and less work in the short term, but as a user, you pay for it in battery life compared to a 28nm chip.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

It costs money to respin and re-certify a die for a new process, so I think nVidia is just binning chips that can perform at higher clocks. It's cheaper and less work in the short term, but as a user, you pay for it in battery life compared to a 28nm chip.

I think radio is a bigger issue. By using the Qualcomm MDM9215 or whatever, they're using a 28nm LTE radio. Remember the SGS2 already did great in battery life despite having a 45nm process.

People talk about undervolting and underclocking their CPUs all the time, but I can guarantee you CPU isn't wasting that much energy.

It's 3G/4G connections and screen that will drain the most.