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HSBC is refusing to give people their own money

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What a terrible bank. Another reason why I'm not fond of the English. For those that have an HSBC account, close it and move elsewhere.

HSBC imposes restrictions on large cash withdrawals

By Bob Howard

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Some HSBC customers have been prevented from withdrawing large amounts of cash because they could not provide evidence of why they wanted it, the BBC has learnt.

Listeners have told Radio 4's Money Box they were stopped from withdrawing amounts ranging from £5,000 to £10,000.

HSBC admitted it has not informed customers of the change in policy, which was implemented in November.

The bank says it has now changed its guidance to staff.

New rules

Stephen Cotton went to his local HSBC branch this month to withdraw £7,000 from his instant access savings account to pay back a loan from his mother.

A year before, he had withdrawn a larger sum in cash from HSBC without a problem.

But this time it was different, as he told Money Box: "When we presented them with the withdrawal slip, they declined to give us the money because we could not provide them with a satisfactory explanation for what the money was for. They wanted a letter from the person involved."

Mr Cotton says the staff refused to tell him how much he could have: "So I wrote out a few slips. I said, 'Can I have £5,000?' They said no. I said, 'Can I have £4,000?' They said no. And then I wrote one out for £3,000 and they said, 'OK, we'll give you that.' "

He asked if he could return later that day to withdraw another £3,000, but he was told he could not do the same thing twice in one day.

Continue reading the main story “Start QuoteAs this was not a change to the Terms and Conditions of your bank account we had no need to pre-notify customers of the change”
End Quote HSBC customer letter
He wrote to complain to HSBC about the new rules and also that he had not been informed of any change.

The bank said it did not have to tell him. "As this was not a change to the Terms and Conditions of your bank account, we had no need to pre-notify customers of the change," HSBC wrote.

Frustrated customers

Mr Cotton cannot understand HSBC's attitude: "I've been banking in that bank for 28 years. They all know me in there. You shouldn't have to explain to your bank why you want that money. It's not theirs, it's yours."

Peter from Wiltshire, who wanted his surname withheld, had a similar experience.

He wanted to take out £10 000 cash from HSBC, some to pay to his sons and some to fund his long-haul travel plans.

Peter phoned up the day before to give HSBC notice and everything seemed to be fine.

The next day he got a call from his local branch asking him to pay his sons via a bank payment and to provide booking receipts for his holidays. Peter did not have any booking receipts to show.

The following day he spoke to HSBC again and this time, having examined his account, it said he could withdraw the £10,000.

Belinda Bell is another customer who was initially denied her cash, in her case to pay her builder. She told Money Box she had to provide the builder's quote.

Customer protection

HSBC has said that following customer feedback, it was changing its policy: "We ask our customers about the purpose of large cash withdrawals when they are unusual and out of keeping with the normal running of their account. Since last November, in some instances we may have also asked these customers to show us evidence of what the cash is required for."

"The reason being we have an obligation to protect our customers, and to minimise the opportunity for financial crime. However, following feedback, we are immediately updating guidance to our customer facing staff to reiterate that it is not mandatory for customers to provide documentary evidence for large cash withdrawals, and on its own, failure to show evidence is not a reason to refuse a withdrawal. We are writing to apologise to any customer who has been given incorrect information and inconvenienced."

Continue reading the main story “Start QuoteIn a sense your money becomes pocket money and the bank becomes your parent”
End Quote Douglas Carswell MP for Clacton
Money Box asked other banks what their policy is on large cash withdrawals.

They all said they reserved the right to ask questions about large cash withdrawals.

But none of them said they would require evidence of what the money was being used for before paying out.

Douglas Carswell, the Conservative MP for Clacton, is alarmed by the new HSBC policy: "All these regulations which have been imposed on banks allow enormous interpretation. It basically infantilises the customer. In a sense your money becomes pocket money and the bank becomes your parent."

But Eric Leenders, head of retail at the British Bankers Association, said banks were sensible to ask questions of their customers: "I can understand it's frustrating for customers. But if you are making the occasional large cash withdrawal, the bank wants to make sure it's the right way to make the payment."
 
They make it sound like it's some kind of fraud prevention measure. I don't think I'm necessarily opposed to that as long as you can opt out if it if you want to.
 
ridicolous.
What if someone wants to change bank account?

Also if someone is stupid and wants to get robbed of thousands of pounds in an instant, it's his business.
 
Bank refused to give money without proof of withdrawal reason (stupid policy in my book) for a period of less than 90 days. Customers complained. Bank stopped doing it.

ALL of the banks asked say they still reserve the right to ask questions about large withdrawals. That by itself could be a good thing.

Bad policy reversed due to negative customer feedback. Good for them. Outrage not found.
 
Bank refused to give money without proof of withdrawal reason (stupid policy in my book) for a period of less than 90 days. Customers complained. Bank stopped doing it.

ALL of the banks asked say they still reserve the right to ask questions about large withdrawals. That by itself could be a good thing.

Bad policy reversed due to negative customer feedback. Good for them. Outrage not found.

If I have all of my banking information and the bank has a signature card on file (which all do), then what reason do they need to ask me the nature of my withdrawal? It's none of their god damn business.

Would you really be okay if you needed to make a quick, large withdrawal and your bank said "give us a reason"? And if they didn't like that reason?
 
Bank refused to give money without proof of withdrawal reason (stupid policy in my book) for a period of less than 90 days. Customers complained. Bank stopped doing it.

ALL of the banks asked say they still reserve the right to ask questions about large withdrawals. That by itself could be a good thing.

Bad policy reversed due to negative customer feedback. Good for them. Outrage not found.

dang it allisolm, you ruined my unfounded outrage 🙁
 
dang it allisolm, you ruined my unfounded outrage 🙁

Not mine, still pissed here. Policies like that should have never been implemented....EVER...and, as with most policies, they are just sticking their toe in the water. At some point, they'll try to jump in again, possibly worse the next time around.
 
If I have all of my banking information and the bank has a signature card on file (which all do), then what reason do they need to ask me the nature of my withdrawal? It's none of their god damn business.

Would you really be okay if you needed to make a quick, large withdrawal and your bank said "give us a reason"? And if they didn't like that reason?

Of course it isn't their business, but, if just asking the question keeps the 80 yr-old widow down the street from giving thousands to the nice man who came to her door and offered to repave her driveway or prevents the not-too-bright/savvy neighbor from sending money in order to claim that inheritance being held up in Nigeria, then I'm not going to object to the question. I'm going to happily say "I'm going to buy a new car! Thanks for asking!"
 
But this time it was different, as he told Money Box: "When we presented them with the withdrawal slip, they declined to give us the money because we could not provide them with a satisfactory explanation for what the money was for. They wanted a letter from the person involved."


WTF fuck off thats why. It's my god damn money and none of the banks business what i do with it.

bah idiotic rule.
 
Wow that's pretty bad. So glad I got out of using big banks, I'm at a local bank/CU now. Much better service too, and better rates.

It sounds like this is some kind of protective thing, but why not just ask for ID for transactions over a certain amount?

The issue is legally they probably own the money, and you don't. So there's not really much you can do either.
 
It's a legal requirement that ANY transaction over £10k, and ANY other transaction which the bank regards as suspicious (e.g any transaction over £1k involving cash) MUST be reported to the Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs, together with the reason for the transaction.

The bank is legally obliged to ask for an explanation for the transaction, and deny the transaction (or freeze the funds if the transaction was incoming) until the customer gives an explanation.

For example, I recently sold about £30k of stock and had the broker make a wire transfer to my main bank account. About 1 hour later my bank manager had called me on the phone asking what was going on and where the funds had come from. I asked what might happen if I was to say that this was confidential, his reply was "the funds would be handed over to HMRC to hold pending a money laundering investigion". So I explained the situation.

The manager then asked if I would be making any such transactions again in the future? And if so, would it be OK for him to just give the same answer for any similar future transactions without the need to contact me again. (One of the advantages of paying for an account with a private bank, you have a personal relationship with your manager who can cut through some of the bureaucratic BS).

My brother who just banks with a regular high street bank has had much bigger problems. I invested some of my bros money in various schemes, and returned it by bank transfer. He had massive problems even wiring the money to me, because his bank kept blocking the transactions - he had to break it down into £500 chunks and wire each one separately on a different day. When I sent the money back, they froze his checking account completely. When he rang because his bank card was getting declined and he was unable to use an ATM, it was only then that the bank asked where the money had come from.
 
It's a legal requirement that ANY transaction over £10k, and ANY other transaction which the bank regards as suspicious (e.g any transaction over £1k involving cash) MUST be reported to the Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs, together with the reason for the transaction.

The bank is legally obliged to ask for an explanation for the transaction, and deny the transaction (or freeze the funds if the transaction was incoming) until the customer gives an explanation.

For example, I recently sold about £30k of stock and had the broker make a wire transfer to my main bank account. About 1 hour later my bank manager had called me on the phone asking what was going on and where the funds had come from. I asked what might happen if I was to say that this was confidential, his reply was "the funds would be handed over to HMRC to hold pending a money laundering investigion". So I explained the situation.

The manager then asked if I would be making any such transactions again in the future? And if so, would it be OK for him to just give the same answer for any similar future transactions without the need to contact me again. (One of the advantages of paying for an account with a private bank, you have a personal relationship with your manager who can cut through some of the bureaucratic BS).

My brother who just banks with a regular high street bank has had much bigger problems. I invested some of my bros money in various schemes, and returned it by bank transfer. He had massive problems even wiring the money to me, because his bank kept blocking the transactions - he had to break it down into £500 chunks and wire each one separately on a different day. When I sent the money back, they froze his checking account completely. When he rang because his bank card was getting declined and he was unable to use an ATM, it was only then that the bank asked where the money had come from.

So you were essentially guilty (of whatever) until you were proven (by your explanation) innocent. Very nice! 🙄
 
So you were essentially guilty (of whatever) until you were proven (by your explanation) innocent. Very nice! 🙄

That's the way the world works these days. Monitor your every move and prevent you from "harming" yourself. You can thank the masses that want more government in their lives.
 
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