HS Teacher Giving Politcal Opinions in Class

[DOSfan]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Jzero
My question to you is this:
If it was a conservative-slanted rant, would you express the same outrage? Are you concerned because these are lies, or just because the are LIBERAL lies?

it doesn't matter, in either case the comments should have been prefaced with the statement "Now this is only my OPINION but...."

Now here is the problem:

Who is to say the teacher didn't state these as opinion?

I am sorry Carbo, but neither I, nor you, were there. We do not know what really happened.

I am not saying your daughter is a liar. Oh no.

But we all skew the truth with our own perceptions. Could be that the teacher only presented these as possibilities. Then later in the day, one of you daughters friends went off on a rant (not unlike this one) about the teacher "shoving his/her lies down our throat." Then your daughter took it as a lecture in "lies."

But on the topic of opinion vs. fact - always question your leaders. Never take their statements as fact. I do not care who it is. It is a politicians "job" to lie to us and others. Make them "work" for their money.

 

[Kipper]

Teacher shouldn't have mentioned that sort of thing in class, at least at that schooling level. But at the same time, calling them "lies" is a bit of a stretch...and she is entitled to her political opinion, ignorance, whatever you want to call it.

 

Originally posted by: rbloedow
I'd have a little visit with the teacher and/or principal - you're daughter is there to learn, not to retain somebodies political viewpoint. This is the kind of thing that causes teachers to loose their own jobs, and causes school districts to be sued....

It
s no different than if the teacher were to start saying that Christianity is the only true religion, all other are fake - he's loose his job in a heartbeat.

So I take it you subscribe to the false notion that school books are written completely unbiased?

 

[Eli]

Uh, what exactly is untruthful about her statements again?

Not that I agree she should be spewing them in the classroom, but.. ?

 

The teacher is taking away carbo's ability to brainwash his/her own children!

 

[shopbruin]

tell your daughter that it gets worse in college, especially in california. ever had a professor go "go ahead and report me! i don't care!" right... i stopped going to her class not because of that, but because she spent too much time going off on crap and not actually teaching, which got really annoying. i wound up reading the book instead since she lectured right off of it.

talk to the principal. at the very least, mention that the teacher was doing this during a test when students shouldn't be bothered. tell them also that they're not being prefaced as "opinions" and that while the teacher can have an opinion, it should not be given out during a test taking situation. the rest of that class, however, since it is a speech/debate class, is up in the air.

 

[Ilmater]

Originally posted by: Staples
Number one is most likely true.

Number three is probably more true than not.

Sounds like most people are mad just because they are liberal propoganda.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe you're only coming to that conclusion because you agree with these things that - right or wrong - can for the most part not be proven? Of course you didn't. Quick to judge, but not so quick to look inwards first.

Personally, I can admit that I'd be less inclined to raise a stink if they were opinions I agree with, but that's mostly because I make opinions based off of FACT.

 

[AcidicFury]

Well Carbo, you stated that your daughter was in a Speech and Debate class when this happened. I think that it's fine that the teacher stated his/her opinions in the class, but I would bet money that your daughter is misunderstanding that these weren't facts. Maybe if she spent more time listening in class, like debate is meant to help discern facts from opinion, then she wouldn't have this problem. I speak as both a high-schooler and a debator. Even if you did pursue this trivial thing, then the teacher would probably just laugh it off with other teachers in the lounge afterschool. It's a pointless battle.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SampSon
The teacher is taking away carbo's ability to brainwash his/her own children!

Actually, it's the other way around. Carbo has a righjt to raise his children with his own beliefs. The teacher does NOT.

Besides, she's full of sh!t. I've already shattered #3. #1 and #2 have no proof, and #4 is absurd.

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: SWirth86
Whoa, who cares?

My Government teacher in HS is an extreme right wing teacher that pushes his agenda. I learned to think for myself and you should let your daught do the same.

 

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
The teacher is taking away carbo's ability to brainwash his/her own children!

Actually, it's the other way around. Carbo has a righjt to raise his children with his own beliefs. The teacher does NOT.

Besides, she's full of sh!t. I've already shattered #3. #1 and #2 have no proof, and #4 is absurd.

No way, you send em to school the state owns them!
FREE THE CHILDREN!!!!

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
The teacher is taking away carbo's ability to brainwash his/her own children!

Actually, it's the other way around. Carbo has a righjt to raise his children with his own beliefs. The teacher does NOT.

Besides, she's full of sh!t. I've already shattered #3. #1 and #2 have no proof, and #4 is absurd.

#1 and #2 shouldn't be hard to proove. I thought it was well known.

As for #4.. that wording is a little inflamatory, but IMO.. you have to be at least a little naive if you don't believe "oil" wasn't at least an afterthought. :Q

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
The teacher is taking away carbo's ability to brainwash his/her own children!

Actually, it's the other way around. Carbo has a righjt to raise his children with his own beliefs. The teacher does NOT.

Besides, she's full of sh!t. I've already shattered #3. #1 and #2 have no proof, and #4 is absurd.

#1 and #2 shouldn't be hard to proove. I thought it was well known.

As for #4.. that wording is a little inflamatory, but IMO.. you have to be at least a little naive if you don't believe "oil" wasn't at least an afterthought. :Q

Keeping the oil in the region available on the market is, of course, a good reason. Anyone who believes our economic interests are not worth fighting a war for is ignorant.

But we are not, and will not be taking control of the oil fields in Iraq. That claim, as stated in this post, and by many brainless sheep, is absurd.

As for #1 and 2, both are RUMOURS. Neither can be stated as fact. They are, however, proof that if you repeat something often enough, people will take it for fact.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
The teacher is taking away carbo's ability to brainwash his/her own children!

Actually, it's the other way around. Carbo has a righjt to raise his children with his own beliefs. The teacher does NOT.

Besides, she's full of sh!t. I've already shattered #3. #1 and #2 have no proof, and #4 is absurd.

No way, you send em to school the state owns them!
FREE THE CHILDREN!!!!

Sieg Heil!

 

[BatmanNate]

I remember as a senior in high school my civics teacher was often very fecitious and would go off on political tangents like that in an effort to aggravate those old enough in the class into voting, whether for or against whatever the topic at hand was. It generally prompted discussion and the students often expressed dissent. If the teacher was in fact serious, then partisan allignments aside, it was not in the teachers interests to stir up that pot. Don't worry though Carbo, once they get to college you'll be paying for your children to listen to the same things.

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: Carbo

1) President Bush was a cocaine addict when he was younger;
2) President Bush was accepted into Yale and graduated solely due to his family influence;
3) President Bush intentionally lied to the world about WMD's to push his agenda on attacking Iraq;
4) The war against terrorism is a lie to cover Bush's hidden agenda to take control of Iraq's oil fields.

1) He did answer that he never did cocaine in the past 20(?) years but refused to answer the question past beyond those years. I believe he used cocaine, but he's probably more of an alcoholic than a cocaine addict. Regardless, I don't care, he can afford it.

2) What was his gpa in HS? if I have those grades I don't think I can get into Yale. Someone people would arguet that his family influence helped but is not the only reason, so this is debatable.

3) Debatable.

4) Debatable.

 

[Schadenfroh]

my conservative teachers (which is 90% of my school) have always stated lies about how the democrats are communists and that the rich all belong to the democratic party (how many rich communists do you know?)

its good you have better teachers than i

 

[elanarchist]

God, its not even worth getting into these politcal pissing match threads on ATOT anymore, the vast right wing conspiracy apparently has the majority of you already in their firm clutches 😉

 

[A5]

My AP Gov teacher made it a point to NOT state his opinions and made it a point to be the devil's advocate in any debate that came up in class. (Which here usually means taking a liberal viewpoint, but oh well)

 

[Carbo]

I stand corrected on something I wrote earlier. Turns out the teacher doing the campaigning for the Dems is a Speech and Debate teacher. However, she was substituting for a Biology teacher who had to split unexpectedly. So, while the class was taking a test, she marched the aisles talking crap.
I've got a telephone conversation lined up with the Assistant Principal tomorrow. I've been told "the School Board has a policy is in place which allows both students and teachers a certain measure of what is termed 'academic freedom', which allows for the generally free exchange of ideas and opinions between students and teachers. Limitations can be placed on this behavior, specifically to insure that opinions that are expressed (whether by student or teacher) are clearly identified as opinions, and to insure that students' rights are not infringed upon. As written in policy, "proselytising" is expressly forbidden, as is the intentional misrepresentation of facts.
That said, this shrill, Hillary Clinton buttgirl will be out of a job soon enough, and relegated to the role of ATOT moderator.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Jzero
My question to you is this:
If it was a conservative-slanted rant, would you express the same outrage? Are you concerned because these are lies, or just because the are LIBERAL lies?

Oh great, another Clinton is'is'm. 😕

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Liberal indoctrination in a public school??? Surely you jest

Report her to the State Board of Education

So the teacher can get a pat on the back? 😛

Like someone else said, I would get come testimoney from a few other students, but then send a letter to the whitehouse. I'm sure Bush would be happy to help you out.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: gistech1978

Originally posted by: DougK62

Originally posted by: gistech1978
if those are lies, i would hate to see your version the truth.

This thread isn't about those items being right or wrong, dipshit. It's about crappy teaching.

his topic says 'lies as fact'. he doesnt know that its a lie more than i know its the truth.

i think carbo is just worried that his daughter cant think for herself or stops thinking like daddy has told her to from some 'liberal propaganda'

What the hell is wrong with that. The point of being a parent is raising your kids with the values you see fit, not what the public school sees fit. Then when they're out of the house making their own money, they can use those values as a base to become their own person, rejecting them if they want.

We don't pay taxes to "educate" kids that Republicans are devil spawn.