The only people who "orchestrated" the Foley scandal are Foley, who carried out the abuse, and the Republicans who conspired to cover it up. End of story.
and what is the interest of you? Protect and defend your hero slugs, good for you. :roll:
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Yeah, but the one person who had the power to stop the situation was Hastert. And he chose to do nothing at all. So he bears most of the responsibility for covering the issue up and allowing it to continue to fester.
No, it sounds like more than one group "conspired" to cover it up. There is no "both sides", I know it flies in the face of the Republican black and white worldview, but there are a lot of people who are not Republicans who are ALSO not Democrats. We know for a fact that the Republicans conspired to cover this up, and it seems very likely to me that individuals outside of the Republican party knew about this earlier. However, I fail to see how this is linked to the Democrats in any way, and I fail to understand why people who have little responsibility to reveal the information are somehow more worthy of condemnation than the Republican leadership that covered it up.
As for "orchestrating Foley scandal", that implies that the scandal is some sort of imagined or made up thing...it's not. Nobody contests that Foley did the things he's accused of doing, the only complaints from the righties are that it was made public in the first place. Perhaps I'm missing something, but this dogged insistence on finding someone other than Foley himself to blame for the scandal is stupid and makes the Republicans look like a bunch of unethical losers.
Wow . . . gay patriots . . .
I read through those links but still don't get how the HRC staffer orchestrated the Foley scandal. Considering the ongoing investigation and commentary by various Republicans . . . it seems Republican Congressmen and their staffers are to blame for not taking any action and Foley is responsible for his behavior.
By your logic I guess Woodward and Bernstein orchestrated Watergate?
I guess Ahmed Chalabi and Iranian mullahs orchestrated the invasion of Iraq . . . oops . . .
Are these guys retarded? Seems like having partisan Democrats that aren't actively promoting pro-gay policies would be better than partisan Republicans advocating against gay rights in general. Geez!
I read through those links but still don't get how the HRC staffer orchestrated the Foley scandal. Considering the ongoing investigation and commentary by various Republicans . . . it seems Republican Congressmen and their staffers are to blame for not taking any action and Foley is responsible for his behavior.
By your logic I guess Woodward and Bernstein orchestrated Watergate?
I guess Ahmed Chalabi and Iranian mullahs orchestrated the invasion of Iraq . . . oops . . .
Haven't been paying too close attention to the righties lately, have you?
The media and the lefties are at fault for what's going wrong in Iraq because they keep talking about what's going wrong in Iraq, the New York Times should be collectively thrown in jail because President Bush was breaking the law, etc, etc. In their worldview, bad things that are done in secret are not bad things until they are revealed in public...so clearly the people who revealed them bear most of the responsibility for the bad thing. Lucky for us, this translates into a good domestic policy, there will be a lot fewer crimes if people simply stop reporting them to the police.
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I havev no names. I just hate coincidences when the information is sat on for political gain.
We know that the Repub leadership played ostrich in some fashion.
The question is who was to benifit by this information not being exposed to the media at the time that it was available; rather than 1 month before the elections..
That is the "other" side. This does need to be a Dem but the timing is very suspicious.
Why do you hate coincidences?
I'm don't follow your logic. The emails were NOT the SOLE reason for questioning Foley's behavior. They just happen to be more salacious. Other notes:
1) At least two Florida newspapers had stories they CHOSE not to pursue. Now if they had the more explicit material . . . who knows. But that would have required the action of someone closer to the story . . . Foley, one of the pages, or a Republican staffer.
2) Some left of center group in DC sent material to the FBI in July. The FBI shelved it. When the poo hit the fan in September, the FBI claimed they received redacted emails and were denied further information. CREW asks DOJ to investigate FBI handling of Foleygate
3) According to the ABC reporter that broke the story, he received the emails from REPUBLICAN(s).
4) In essence, this story would have come to light earlier if: Republicans had challenged Foley, Foley had outed himself, one of the pages came forwards, one of the media outlets with suggestive IMs had come forward, or if CREW had gone public BEFORE going to the FBI.
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Another great thread brought to by Prof. BTW, don't bother coming in if you're looking for the truth, we only want to discuss the political timing of the emails. Heaven forbid they're actually true and this jackass is/was a predator. That's not what's important here.
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There are many people who feel the NeoCons orchestrated 9/11. I guess they are right too, if you are, without providing one scintilla of evidence to support your claim. At least the 9/11 conspiracy folks have some evidence.
Anybody remember the S&L rip-off? That was know about months before the election, but supressed until after the election. Yopu have to wonder if John Q. Public had know all about Neil Bush and the Silverado S&L if daddy Bush would have been elected President.
Or the Swift Boat Veterans for the "Truth"? The last thing they were interested in was the truth, but GWB sure played dumb about that one.
You right wingers have sure turned into the big bunch of whiners. It seems you can dish it out, but can't take it.
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I have stated that it may not have been the Dems; but it is someone that had a political motive for bringing this issue to the forefront after a time had passed.
What is the difference now that the media can run with it and not before?
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That's disingenious... This is akin to the swiftboat vets. What Republicans were responsible for that? It didn't matter that nobody could give an R name they got blamed anyway. There probably wont be a specific Democrat or Democrat group to assign to this group either but they were obviously operating on behalf of them.
Bush was responsible for the swift boaters if for no other reason then that he didn't put a stop to the lying once he became aware of it.
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No one cares, ProfJohn, about your alleged "story behind the story" because there is NO story. Just a bunch of stupid bloggers being freaking drama queens. Woop dee doo! The real story of course is Foley himself and the GOP handling of the situation.
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That is not what he is saying at all.
The truth does matter, and what Foley did is a disgrace...and this scandal deserved the attention it received.
However, the motivations of how this information came to light is quite revealing...from an ethical standpoint, if you became aware of someone engaging in similar behavior at your workplace...would you reveal said behavior immediately, or keep it in your hip pocket for a time when you could use said information to your benefit.
Doing the right thing should be independent of political movitvation. Both parties are guilty of such political maneuvering, so this isn't a Republican or Democrat issue...it is an ethical issue, something sorely lacking across the American political landscape.
So yes, exposing this scandal was the right thing to do...waiting a few months such that exposing the scandal would coincide with midterm elections is something else entirely...this type of behavior is no different then that exhibited by those who attempted to cover up this scandal.
Eaglekeeper,
Your argument still doesn't make sense in the context of what appears to have happened.
1) Foley is an unmarried, fringe-closet homosexual. There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with that whatsoever.
2) He's a Republican. Nothing wrong with that either . . . just a little odd considering the GOP's policy positions.
3) He's taken to being VERY friendly with House pages. Nothing particularly wrong with that.
4) Kolbe (former GOP Congressman and openly gay) confronted Foley about being TOO friendly years ago and notified leadership.
5) GOP staffers notified leadership at least 18 months ago about Foley being too friendly.
6) IIRC, parents of a page notified their legislator about Foley's behavior several years ago. The parents wanted to keep it on the DL for the sake of their son.
7) Several members of CURRENT GOP leadership have been aware of Foley 'issues' for at least a year.
8) The involvement of CREW (a group supported by Soros) is only questionable to the extent they FAILED to go public. Granted, they didn't go public b/c they didn't want to interfere with what they expected to be an FBI investigation.
The problem is that the GOP had a floating turd. Every time it peeked above water they would poke it back down instead of flushing. To date, it's easy to see quite a few GOP index fingers that stink.
The ONE easily identifiable (and possibly left of center) party involved is CREW. And it appear they said, "something stinks," and then passed their information on to the FBI.
Oh and whoozerydaddy . . . Ken Cordier was a member of Swiftboat Vets . . . and a member of the national steering committee for Veterans for Bush. Trail of poo of Swift Boaters
Edit for Starbuck . . . WHO 'waited a few months?'
Your argument still doesn't make sense in the context of what appears to have happened.
1) Foley is an unmarried, fringe-closet homosexual. There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with that whatsoever.
2) He's a Republican. Nothing wrong with that either . . . just a little odd considering the GOP's policy positions.
3) He's taken to being VERY friendly with House pages. Nothing particularly wrong with that.
4) Kolbe (former GOP Congressman and openly gay) confronted Foley about being TOO friendly years ago and notified leadership.
5) GOP staffers notified leadership at least 18 months ago about Foley being too friendly.
6) IIRC, parents of a page notified their legislator about Foley's behavior several years ago. The parents wanted to keep it on the DL for the sake of their son.
7) Several members of CURRENT GOP leadership have been aware of Foley 'issues' for at least a year.
8) The involvement of CREW (a group supported by Soros) is only questionable to the extent they FAILED to go public. Granted, they didn't go public b/c they didn't want to interfere with what they expected to be an FBI investigation.
The problem is that the GOP had a floating turd. Every time it peeked above water they would poke it back down instead of flushing. To date, it's easy to see quite a few GOP index fingers that stink.
The ONE easily identifiable (and possibly left of center) party involved is CREW. And it appear they said, "something stinks," and then passed their information on to the FBI.
Oh and whoozerydaddy . . . Ken Cordier was a member of Swiftboat Vets . . . and a member of the national steering committee for Veterans for Bush. Trail of poo of Swift Boaters
Edit for Starbuck . . . WHO 'waited a few months?'
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I was responding to the allegations that the website which leaked the emails had them since early summer, yet chose until only recently to "expose" the scandal.
I would be curious to know who started the StopSexPredators website, and their political allegiances.
If this site was created with the intent of launching an "October surprise," then shame on them.
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