HR 1 urgently needs to pass through filibuster

[Sunburn74]

A little more insight:

I mean it's amazing to me how many sons and daughters of senators are millionaires and CEOs. What a coincidence...

 

[Moonbeam]

We can concur that the probability streams that is our existence has convergences and nexuses right? So, how can we be sure this is not one such point. Order always replaces chaos and chaos always replaces order and it is in those junctions the next epoch is formed. This might be one. Shit may matter right now.
Do not go gentle into that good night

It is always darkest before the dawn, I have heard, but that's providing the sun does come up. Attitude is a lot like that. Pessimism is like that. When I was young and struggling with the meaningless of existence, as I saw it, I experienced an insight that changed my attitude completely. What it did not change is the fact that life was still meaningless in the way I had seen it previously. This turned me into a different kind of revolutionary. I understood that the revolution that is needed isn't out there in the world, but inwardly with ones own attitude.

In order for that insight to happen to me, or more precisely what made it possible for it to happen to me was that by exposure to the 'whatever it is of Zen', my certainty about the inevitability of the hopelessness that comes from the conscious awareness that life is meaningless cracked. I could not comprehend how those assholes could see what is see with serenity. What the fuck was that. That and the answer was perhaps, of for me, a Black Swan Event, a shattering of an old conceptual framework and the arrival of something new, ancient, actually, but new to me.

So for me, the way dank thinks I can't fault him for thinking because it is that similar pessimism and the pain it generated that led me on a search for meaning, and the depth of pessimism that caused me to bottom out, as it were.

But having fixed one central issue I have seen others who have fixed themselves at much deeper levels. I got a peek in the tent but I have met others who live there. I still can't drive a car in traffic, most days without indulging in the fantasy if imagining a world where all Republicans had died of Covid.

Hey, I hate the fact I'm just like them.

 

[woolfe9998]

A little more insight:

That is meaningless without some context and logical dot connecting.

 

[dank69]

That is meaningless without some context and logical dot connecting.

It simply offers a glance at what passes for acceptable in the family. Is he responsible for her actions? No, but we have a Senator where the absolute best case scenario is that he is cripplingly naive and his daughter clearly has no moral issues with profiting off of death. Has Manchin publicly condemned her actions? I haven't seen anything.

 

[woolfe9998]

It simply offers a glance at what passes for acceptable in the family. Is he responsible for her actions? No, but we have a Senator where the absolute best case scenario is that he is cripplingly naive and his daughter clearly has no moral issues with profiting off of death. Has Manchin publicly condemned her actions? I haven't seen anything.

It's pretty weak when it comes to explaining why Manchin is opposing HR1 and ending the filibuster.

So far I haven't seen any real insight, except perhaps from AOC in her interview with Chris Hayes, in which she says 1) that Manchin's state is not one where the GOP does voter suppression because there they don't need to, 2) there are almost no black people in his state to complain about their votes being suppressed anyway, 3) he naively thinks democracy in the US is too strong to be overthrown.

Whether she's correct, I do not know. What is motivating Manchin to take these disastrous positions is one of the big political mysteries right now.

 

[Ajay]

he naively thinks democracy in the US is too strong to be overthrown.

There is no way he is that naive. West Virginia has become a solid red state, sans Manchin. I think he’s just following the political winds in his state. His successor will almost assuredly be a Republican. He is 73, and is from a time when his 'centrist' views were not unusual in the Democratic Party - and he hasn’t changed much. If the Democrats held a 52 person majority in the senate, he wouldn’t be the center of attention he’s become.

 

[dank69]

It's pretty weak when it comes to explaining why Manchin is opposing HR1 and ending the filibuster.

So far I haven't seen any real insight, except perhaps from AOC in her interview with Chris Hayes, in which she says 1) that Manchin's state is not one where the GOP does voter suppression because there they don't need to, 2) there are almost no black people in his state to complain about their votes being suppressed anyway, 3) he naively thinks democracy in the US is too strong to be overthrown.

Whether she's correct, I do not know. What is motivating Manchin to take these disastrous positions is one of the big political mysteries right now.

Yet the reason we even started discussing this is that someone mentioned the fact that 70-80% of his voters support expanding voting rights or however it was worded. This kind of negates her points 1 & 2. If he cared about representing his constituents, he'd wholly support HR1. If he cared about leveling the playing field for Democrats nationally, he'd support HR1. So either he doesn't know (naive) or doesn't care. Do you think it is possible he doesn't know what Republicans have been doing and are doing even more to rig the system in their favor? Fuck no. No fucking way. Not unless this motherfucker ignores anyone and everyone all day and goes straight home after work to watch nothing but Fox News. He knows. He fucking knows, and he does not give a single fuck.

 

[woolfe9998]

Yet the reason we even started discussing this is that someone mentioned the fact that 70-80% of his voters support expanding voting rights or however it was worded. This kind of negates her points 1 & 2. If he cared about representing his constituents, he'd wholly support HR1. If he cared about leveling the playing field for Democrats nationally, he'd support HR1. So either he doesn't know (naive) or doesn't care. Do you think it is possible he doesn't know what Republicans have been doing and are doing even more to rig the system in their favor? Fuck no. No fucking way. Not unless this motherfucker ignores anyone and everyone all day and goes straight home after work to watch nothing but Fox News. He knows. He fucking knows, and he does not give a single fuck.

I understand where you're coming from here. I've just seen too many honestly held irrational views from people to discount him being a naïve true believer.

I am, of course, open to the possibility that there is a corrupt angle here. I just need to see some proof.

 

[MrSquished]

It's pretty weak when it comes to explaining why Manchin is opposing HR1 and ending the filibuster.

So far I haven't seen any real insight, except perhaps from AOC in her interview with Chris Hayes, in which she says 1) that Manchin's state is not one where the GOP does voter suppression because there they don't need to, 2) there are almost no black people in his state to complain about their votes being suppressed anyway, 3) he naively thinks democracy in the US is too strong to be overthrown.

Whether she's correct, I do not know. What is motivating Manchin to take these disastrous positions is one of the big political mysteries right now.

It's definitely something corrupt. Or he just has no ethics. No way he is this naive.

 

[trenchfoot]

Seems to me if Manchin has decided to plant his flag and make his stand in quicksand by defying the will of the other 99% of the party he belongs to, then I guess he's decided that doing that is somehow going to benefit him down the road somewhere somehow.

The why of what he's doing may be something only he can justify to himself. However, stepping back from delving deep into his possible motives, the obvious question that is brought to bear is, other than favorably positioning himself politically, who else would benefit from his perplexing nonsensical intransigence on this issue?

Well duh, that's more than obvious on the surface of things. So following down that trail of logic, why would Manchin want to hand the Repubs everything they're hoping for in the way of obstructing Biden's efforts at stopping them from enacting such restrictive voter laws that clearly target folks who would vote Dem at the polls? Is doing that going to ensure Manchin's hopes of remaining in his seat ad infinitum? Sure looks that way. Is he receiving substantial campaign donations from folks who are clearly from the other side of the aisle? Questions like these need to be answered and only Manchin can provide them.

Probably can't happen, but Manchin needs to be required to stand in front of Biden, the party proper, the people of the nation and be made to explain under oath his real motives for helping the Repubs block what should be the desires of the majority of the nation's people toward exercising their inalienable right to vote fairly and freely.

 

[cytg111]

Yet the reason we even started discussing this is that someone mentioned the fact that 70-80% of his voters support expanding voting rights or however it was worded. This kind of negates her points 1 & 2. If he cared about representing his constituents, he'd wholly support HR1. If he cared about leveling the playing field for Democrats nationally, he'd support HR1. So either he doesn't know (naive) or doesn't care. Do you think it is possible he doesn't know what Republicans have been doing and are doing even more to rig the system in their favor? Fuck no. No fucking way. Not unless this motherfucker ignores anyone and everyone all day and goes straight home after work to watch nothing but Fox News. He knows. He fucking knows, and he does not give a single fuck.

Thats actually 85% for both BOTH parties

 

[SMOGZINN]

It's definitely something corrupt. Or he just has no ethics. No way he is this naive.

I don't know. I kind of think he has convinced himself that he is the great savior of Democracy. That by refusing to yield to either party's partisan demands he is the bulwark that is holding it all together. That is he just holds out and makes sure that neither side can get what they want without working with the other that they will eventually capitulate and start working together again. Even if he does not really believe this himself (I think he does) he at least thinks he can sell the idea that he is making a sacrifice out of his love of his country to others.

The problem of course is that all the Republicans want is to do nothing. Their entire agenda is to just keep anything from passing until the next election and then campaign on the idea that Democrats can't get anything done. And this time they will be right.

 

[cytg111]

Minority rule incoming

Republicans can win the next elections through gerrymandering alone | David Daley

Even if voting patterns remain the same, Republicans could still win more seats in Congress through redistricting

www.theguardian.com

Its gonna be Orange.

 

[nickqt]

Minority rule incoming...

Always has been.jpg

 

[hal2kilo]

Last gasp for democracy.

Progressives to “block business as usual” to protest Manchin and Sinema’s “corrupt obstruction” | Salon.com

 

[HomerJS]

Last gasp for democracy.

Progressives to “block business as usual” to protest Manchin and Sinema’s “corrupt obstruction” | Salon.com

Funny Machinima voted to end the filibuster for raising the debt ceiling so why not voting rights?

 

[trenchfoot]

Funny Machinima voted to end the filibuster for raising the debt ceiling so why not voting rights?

I'm thinking because he's actually a Dixicrat holdover turned Repub businessman at heart that has the state he's from locked down in such a way that ensures he and his fellow southern aristocrats remain in control of affairs in their state.

And that business model is no different from those other Repub controlled states that in fact are individual fascist run entities disguised as being democratically run where they unsuccessfully and laughably try to appear that they hold free and fair elections.