Question HP ZBook 15G8 Nvidia RTX A2000: Too Noisy & Hot for DVD Scaling to 1080p?

[chane]

I need a new laptop like weeks ago but want one for the long term. I could get a decent price on an HP Zbook G8 15", which typically includes one of the Nvidia Ampere GPUs. But I can only find reviews on the noisier and thirstier RTX A3000, A5000, not the A2000. Of course, from what's been claimed here is that JRVR

https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,132831.0.html and even madVR http://madvr.com/ can do DVD scaling quite well via the iGPU among several processors.


While at least among better scaling results are typically attained from HTPCs, has anyone else attempted DVD movie scaling via laptops? If yes, with what hardware and software? And what were the heat/noise experiences?


Any experiences or known reports using the RTX A2000 mobile graphics with these apps?

 

[sdifox]

Any apu can deal with 1080p, let alone 480P DVD

 

[igor_kavinski]

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That has madVR support.

 

[chane]

Any apu can deal with 1080p, let alone 480P DVD

Of course, DVD scaling via the CPU's GPU will be the first choice, at least for comparing what the TV's processor can do for most of my DVDs. I only reasoned that if the pc also had the right gpu card, that might prove to be the best balance between 1080p rendering quality and power consumption (heat and fan noise) that it would ultimately show which of the three methods (the OLED TV's processor) would prove the best way. Thus, for the HP Zbook or Dell Precision laptop I'm due for anyway, please compare these mobile graphics:

ps://www.notebookcheck.net/GeFor...vs-Quadro-P2000_10227_9860_8886.247598.0.html

I think the 1650ti may be the oldest of these mobile versions, but a user of same said he could use some number of the better settings in madVR to scale DVDs to 1080p.

But of the above three, how do they compare at running madVR for quality 1080p scaling of commercially issued (Warners, CBS Paramount, Universal, Fox) movies and ~ 60 minute TV show DVDs?

And with least power consumption, heat and fan noise?

That is, which one may have the best of both, power and efficiency, for this task?

From what I can make of the Cinebench and power consumption scores at the above link, the p2000 seems like the best choice. Yes?

 

[chane]

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That has madVR support.

I find using my Pioneer LX500 BD player's zoom control to be lots of fun with some scenes to briefly zoom and center some parts of an image. JRiver's the only Windows player I've found that has fully functional zoom, perfect DTS MA decoding of BDs and other essential features. The latest version also has the upgraded JRVR scaler, which, with the right hardware, might provide satisfactory DVD rendering perhaps more efficiently than madVR.

JRiver Media Center 29 for Windows

JRiver Media Center 29 for Windows

yabb.jriver.com

 

[sdifox]

... how can it be lower power to add a gpu on top of cpu when the cpu is good enough? VLC is good enough. DVD is from 1996 for crying out loud.

 

[chane]

.. how can it be lower power to add a gpu on top of cpu when the cpu is good enough? VLC is good enough. DVD is from 1996 for crying out loud.

First, most modern pcs allow you to swap the GPU card and the iGPU on/off line if, for example, after comparing their performance for a given task, you find that the iGPU is quite adequate or that the more muscular card does a substantially better job. Second, presumably VLC player has its own scaler utility, but my player of choice is JRiver for several reasons. Indeed, the latest version has its upgraded JRVR scaler, among other player improvements. And JRVR, with the right hardware, may do very good DVD scaling to 1080p-instead of "potentially" more resource hungry madVR. Third, IF the processor in this year's Sony 48" to 55" OLED TV I may go with leaves my best DVDs looking to soft (which may not be surprising having to interpolate loads of missing data from a 480 image to intelligibly fill a 4K screen), then feeding it signal first scaled to 1080p may yield an overall better looking image.

So I was only asking for the best of these three mobile graphics to do this, and perhaps with the least heat and fan noise-or another that you might suggests.

 

[sdifox]

First, most modern pcs allow you to swap the GPU card and the iGPU on/off line if, for example, after comparing their performance for a given task, you find that the iGPU is quite adequate or that the more muscular card does a substantially better job. Second, presumably VLC player has its own scaler utility, but my player of choice is JRiver for several reasons. Indeed, the latest version has its upgraded JRVR scaler, among other player improvements. And JRVR, with the right hardware, may do very good DVD scaling to 1080p-instead of "potentially" more resource hungry madVR. Third, IF the processor in this year's Sony 48" to 55" OLED TV I may go with leaves my best DVDs looking to soft (which may not be surprising having to interpolate loads of missing data from a 480 image to intelligibly fill a 4K screen), then feeding it signal first scaled to 1080p may yield an overall better looking image.

So I was only asking for the best of these three mobile graphics to do this, and perhaps with the least heat and fan noise-or another that you might suggests.

Again, scaling 480P to 1080P is very easy on modern CPUs. Agonising over this is a waste of time.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Third, IF the processor in this year's Sony 48" to 55" OLED TV I may go with leaves my best DVDs looking to soft (which may not be surprising having to interpolate loads of missing data from a 480 image to intelligibly fill a 4K screen), then feeding it signal first scaled to 1080p may yield an overall better looking image.

Sony's upscaling sucks. When I had the X900E, anything lower than 1080P looked pixelated. Sold it and got an LG OLED. Its upscaling magic works reasonably well for 720P. 480P? It's crappy to begin with so I don't usually bother with it.

 

[igor_kavinski]

From what I can make of the Cinebench and power consumption scores at the above link, the p2000 seems like the best choice. Yes?

Not sure how you think 1650 is the oldest. Based on date of announcement, 1650 is the newest. P2000 may have the lowest power consumption but it has the oldest tech so it is likely weak AND old. Your best choice of the three is 1650, unless you prefer "professional" graphics. In that case, go with T1000.

 

[chane]

Sony's upscaling sucks. When I had the X900E, anything lower than 1080P looked pixelated. Sold it and got an LG OLED. Its upscaling magic works reasonably well for 720P. 480P? It's crappy to begin with so I don't usually bother with it.

Reviews from here are probably believable https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x900e and they found the DVD scaling quality to be at least "good", except for the jaggies. From what I've read from owners of certainly the top model 2021 Sony OLED at AVS forum, DVD scaling is very good. Circa 2017, I brought the DVD version of "Molly's Game" to Best Buy, where the salesguy kindly played on the then top model 65" Sony OLED. It looked noticeably softer than on my 32" CRT but, well, duh. Sony now bragged about the AI in their 2021 processor. It might be sales hype or not. And this year's QL-OLED could be something pretty special. But at least there's a chance for better looking DVDs (assuming best source materials) with the right software and hardware options.

 

[igor_kavinski]

There's this: https://www.dvdfab.cn/enlarger-ai.htm

Be warned though: Don't install this software on anything you depend on, and if you decide to pay, make sure it's from some disposable account. That's a CN domain.

 

[chane]

Not sure how you think 1650 is the oldest. Based on date of announcement, 1650 is the newest. P2000 may have the lowest power consumption but it has the oldest tech so it is likely weak AND old. Your best choice of the three is 1650, unless you prefer "professional" graphics. In that case, go with T1000.

I thought that I noticed that too in the description there, but when i was chatting with Nvidia support yesterday he said the p2000 is the newest and/or best performing. And if you CLICK ON all of the different cinebench tests on that page it shows p2000 doing faster frame rates than the 1650 card. Doesn't that generally mean better quality rendering?

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Quadro-T1000-Laptop-vs-GeForce-GTX-1650-Ti-Mobile-vs-Quadro-P2000_9860_10227_8886.247598.0.html

OR even so could the 1650 still run madVR better?

The p2000 also had the lowest power consumption on the Witcher test.

???

 

[igor_kavinski]

OR even so could the 1650 still run madVR better?

NVIDIA Quadro P2000 Mobile Specs

NVIDIA GP107, 1607 MHz, 768 Cores, 48 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 4096 MB GDDR5, 1502 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 Mobile Specs

NVIDIA TU117, 1560 MHz, 1024 Cores, 64 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 4096 MB GDDR5, 2001 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

compare to:


RX 470 15% faster than P2000M and 1650 mobile is 1% faster than 470 so 1650M is roughly 16% faster than P2000M.

P2000 is a professional workstation card. It will perform better in professional applications.

1650 will in general deliver better performance in the vast majority of consumer applications compared to the P2000.

 

[chane]

Yes, the 1650 makes the most sense, if i can find it on the laptop I want. Thanks.