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HP Media Server (WHS) - will it make Image backups without other software?
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mpilchfamily
Diamond Member
You need the software for that. The system has software pre installed that does the regular backups.
RebateMonger
Elite Member
WHS makes daily full image backups. No additional software is needed. WHS also stores the disk controller and NIC drivers for your computer, should those be needed to perform the recovery.
After the initial backup, subsequent backups only contain sections of the hard disk(s) that have changed, so daily backups and the appended images are very size-efficient. Backup management is handled automatically. Identical files that are on multiple PCs in your network (like Windows files) only need a single backup.
To do a full restore, you boot your computer from the WHS client recovery disk. That software finds the WHS server on the network and starts the recovery. You can do a full system recovery or can choose individual partitions or can choose individual files. You can also perform disk management at the same time (creating new partitions, etc.).
When doing a recovery, you can choose from various images or files from different times, starting the day before and going back days, weeks, or months in the past.
After the initial backup, subsequent backups only contain sections of the hard disk(s) that have changed, so daily backups and the appended images are very size-efficient. Backup management is handled automatically. Identical files that are on multiple PCs in your network (like Windows files) only need a single backup.
To do a full restore, you boot your computer from the WHS client recovery disk. That software finds the WHS server on the network and starts the recovery. You can do a full system recovery or can choose individual partitions or can choose individual files. You can also perform disk management at the same time (creating new partitions, etc.).
When doing a recovery, you can choose from various images or files from different times, starting the day before and going back days, weeks, or months in the past.
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RebateMonger
Elite Member
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/windowshomeserver/features.mspx
"Windows Home Server completes an image-based back up of every home computer every day, so you can restore a single file or an entire PC."
http://blogs.technet.com/homeserver...-home-server-image-based-backup-software.aspx
"There are plenty of backup software packages out there. The top reviewer sites, CNET reviews , Top Ten reviews and PC Magazine reviews detail the many features and attributes of backup software programs such as Acronis True Image and Genie –Soft. When you compare features side by side, none of them have the same backup capabilities of Windows Home Sever with its consolidated image based backup technology allowing you to quickly restore your entire system including programs, files and settings, usually in less than one hour."
MalVeauX might be referring to the fact the WHS doesn't make a DISK image (like the old DOS-based Ghost). It makes Windows VOLUME images. It makes its backups from inside Windows (like Acronis or recent versions of Ghost) and will only back up a Windows (XP and later) operating system.
Here's Microsoft's Technical Brief on WHS backups and restores:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...8c-df20-4e19-92ca-6bda7bec3ecb&DisplayLang=en
"Windows Home Server completes an image-based back up of every home computer every day, so you can restore a single file or an entire PC."
http://blogs.technet.com/homeserver...-home-server-image-based-backup-software.aspx
"There are plenty of backup software packages out there. The top reviewer sites, CNET reviews , Top Ten reviews and PC Magazine reviews detail the many features and attributes of backup software programs such as Acronis True Image and Genie –Soft. When you compare features side by side, none of them have the same backup capabilities of Windows Home Sever with its consolidated image based backup technology allowing you to quickly restore your entire system including programs, files and settings, usually in less than one hour."
MalVeauX might be referring to the fact the WHS doesn't make a DISK image (like the old DOS-based Ghost). It makes Windows VOLUME images. It makes its backups from inside Windows (like Acronis or recent versions of Ghost) and will only back up a Windows (XP and later) operating system.
Here's Microsoft's Technical Brief on WHS backups and restores:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...8c-df20-4e19-92ca-6bda7bec3ecb&DisplayLang=en
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Rebate Monger explained that WHS does a form of image backup too.
The difference is the method.
If the only thing that One needs is backup of one computer to an image, using Trueimage is less complicated and less expensive.
You buy the software, you attach an external drive. Load TrueImage and make an image of the drive to the external drive. The cost is about $100 for the external drive + $40 for TrueImage 2010.
Windows Home server is a more comprehensive approach to backups, and also serves as a general file, media server, and can do Web serving Ftp and more.
As far as the backups are concerned if you loose a HD you put the WHS client recovery disk. It connects to the server and recovers back the content of the HD. In a sense similar to TrueImage.
The cost is $300 and above depending on the features that you want.
The additional $150 buy you immense flexibility, and power, as compare to one program (TrueImage) and one external drive.
I actually use both, in some cases TrueImage HD images is more desirable to me. So I make a tib file and save it through the network to my WHS.
The difference is the method.
If the only thing that One needs is backup of one computer to an image, using Trueimage is less complicated and less expensive.
You buy the software, you attach an external drive. Load TrueImage and make an image of the drive to the external drive. The cost is about $100 for the external drive + $40 for TrueImage 2010.
Windows Home server is a more comprehensive approach to backups, and also serves as a general file, media server, and can do Web serving Ftp and more.
As far as the backups are concerned if you loose a HD you put the WHS client recovery disk. It connects to the server and recovers back the content of the HD. In a sense similar to TrueImage.
The cost is $300 and above depending on the features that you want.
The additional $150 buy you immense flexibility, and power, as compare to one program (TrueImage) and one external drive.
I actually use both, in some cases TrueImage HD images is more desirable to me. So I make a tib file and save it through the network to my WHS.
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Ok thanks guys. Appreciate all the info
JackMDS - yeah, I'm leaning towards getting a HP Mediasmart server for more than just backing up my systems. I also want to mirror some folders that are important to me and also use it for sharing out media to other devices without having to leave my main PC on all the time. I'm thinking the power savings alone make the WHS system worthwhile but honestly don't know if it will make a big difference
JackMDS - yeah, I'm leaning towards getting a HP Mediasmart server for more than just backing up my systems. I also want to mirror some folders that are important to me and also use it for sharing out media to other devices without having to leave my main PC on all the time. I'm thinking the power savings alone make the WHS system worthwhile but honestly don't know if it will make a big difference
For most tasks WHS can save when using rock bottom ATOM board that takes about 40W.
However if you want to steam HD Media the Rock Bottom ATOM would not do so well, and you need a little stronger computer.
However, even then with good planing, you can save half of the energy as compare to what the mainstream Enthusiast workstation takes.
MalVeauX
Senior member
Heya,
Heya,
This.
Indeed, sorry for the confusion guys.
Very best, 🙂
Heya,
This.
Indeed, sorry for the confusion guys.
Very best, 🙂
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notposting
Diamond Member
RebateMonger, that was an excellent description. I was trying to think of ways to explain the difference but you nailed it.
Also, with careful planning you can get a much higher capability server with pretty low power draw--mine has a 45W AMD dual-core (BE-2300) in it, 1GB DDR2, and a 640GB Blue/1TB Green in it and pulls around 48W from the wall at idle (with Cool N Quiet running).
Also, with careful planning you can get a much higher capability server with pretty low power draw--mine has a 45W AMD dual-core (BE-2300) in it, 1GB DDR2, and a 640GB Blue/1TB Green in it and pulls around 48W from the wall at idle (with Cool N Quiet running).
MalVeauX
Senior member
Heya,
Just as a side note, when building, you can also undervolt and underclock the CPU to drop some juice from it. With CoolNQuiet also throttling back on top of that, you can keep it low even when it picks up a tad during various tasks. This way you can get a relatively lowered dualcore that is more than capable of doing the server's work, but without basically being a mustang engine in a parked car. I took a Regor 2.9Ghz for example (65w) and undervolted it a bit and underclocked it down to 1.6Ghz. Didn't change performance at all on the server. But it dropped the power usage and lets me go fanless on the CPU (large heat sink instead for passive cooling), no fan on the CPU = less power usage as well. Some of these fans can eat up 5~7 watts on their own all the time. At this point, you'll find that you can't get things to drop lower than a certain value regardless of what you do, and that's where you find the power usage of the actual motherboard's chipset which you won't be able to do much to lower, if any. And that's where a lot of the Atom based boards are doing wrong--the Atom is low power, for sure, but the chipsets and the boards they're put out on are not, and that's why you see these weird 40+ watt draws from an Atom board when the CPU may draw like 7~10watts. That motherboard chipset does three times the CPU's consumption. So what I'm getting at, is you might as well get a good CPU that can do real work (single core sempron outperforms the new Atom dualcore, weird). And tweak the board/cpu to be low power.
Mine (the Regor) has webcam surveillance software running at all times with a camera powered through its USB port (2.5watts if I remember correctly) and 5 HDD's (all WD greens except for the OS drive which is a WD Blue), FTP, uTorrent, and is on a UPS. It draws 55watts at idle, but even when I'm copying data or actively seeding, it doesn't really budge from that point.
Very best, 🙂
Just as a side note, when building, you can also undervolt and underclock the CPU to drop some juice from it. With CoolNQuiet also throttling back on top of that, you can keep it low even when it picks up a tad during various tasks. This way you can get a relatively lowered dualcore that is more than capable of doing the server's work, but without basically being a mustang engine in a parked car. I took a Regor 2.9Ghz for example (65w) and undervolted it a bit and underclocked it down to 1.6Ghz. Didn't change performance at all on the server. But it dropped the power usage and lets me go fanless on the CPU (large heat sink instead for passive cooling), no fan on the CPU = less power usage as well. Some of these fans can eat up 5~7 watts on their own all the time. At this point, you'll find that you can't get things to drop lower than a certain value regardless of what you do, and that's where you find the power usage of the actual motherboard's chipset which you won't be able to do much to lower, if any. And that's where a lot of the Atom based boards are doing wrong--the Atom is low power, for sure, but the chipsets and the boards they're put out on are not, and that's why you see these weird 40+ watt draws from an Atom board when the CPU may draw like 7~10watts. That motherboard chipset does three times the CPU's consumption. So what I'm getting at, is you might as well get a good CPU that can do real work (single core sempron outperforms the new Atom dualcore, weird). And tweak the board/cpu to be low power.
Mine (the Regor) has webcam surveillance software running at all times with a camera powered through its USB port (2.5watts if I remember correctly) and 5 HDD's (all WD greens except for the OS drive which is a WD Blue), FTP, uTorrent, and is on a UPS. It draws 55watts at idle, but even when I'm copying data or actively seeding, it doesn't really budge from that point.
Very best, 🙂
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