HP L2000

[mdahc]

What's w/ HP, Athlon64/Turion64, and integrated graphics lately (i.e. the HP zv6000, the Compaq R4000, and now the L2000 "Livestrong"). I'd be all over this new "Livestrong" notebook if it weren't for integrated graphics. It's a good cause, but why oh why must they only offer Turion64 w/ integrated graphics? This is sort of like Dell "sponsoring" NPR in my local area by offering a bottom of the barrel Inspiron 1100 w/ a Celeron, 128MB RAM, a 20GB HDD, and, of course, integrated graphics as a drawing prize for pledges. Damn Intel's marketing power.

HP "Livestrong" L2000

 

[fbrdphreak]

Old news

And for most ppl, integrated graphics aren't a big deal.

 

[mdahc]

First of all, I never said this is news. Secondly, does anyone who isn't interested in advertising for Laptop Logic have an opinion? Thirdly, I think a good number of people in this forum do care about whether a notebook has integrated graphics. Why do you think you see so many posts asking for advice about gaming notebooks.

 

[Nutdotnet]

Originally posted by: mdahc
First of all, I never said this is news. Secondly, does anyone who isn't interested in advertising for Laptop Logic have an opinion? Thirdly, I think a good number of people in this forum do care about whether a notebook has integrated graphics. Why do you think you see so many posts asking for advice about gaming notebooks.

Hey bud...you should really consider getting your panties out of any knots before posting.

 

[mdahc]

Originally posted by: Nutdotnet

Originally posted by: mdahc
First of all, I never said this is news. Secondly, does anyone who isn't interested in advertising for Laptop Logic have an opinion? Thirdly, I think a good number of people in this forum do care about whether a notebook has integrated graphics. Why do you think you see so many posts asking for advice about gaming notebooks.

Hey bud...you should really consider getting your panties out of any knots before posting.

How original! So I need to get my panties out of any knots (any knots?...great grammar there, boy). fbrdphreak seems to think that I posted this in some pathetic attempt to claim 1st place in a news race. On the contrary, my intention was to note how HP only cosmetically supports diversity in its notebook lineup since it offers a fine array of Intel-based consumer and business notebooks (with discrete graphics, which so many in this forum clearly care about) yet only offers AMD-based notebooks with integrated graphics.

So, since I don't feel the need to use these forums as marketing ground for a business with which I'm affiliated and since I'm not compelled to be first to post about a new notebook, I think that you can be reassured that my panties have no knots to untangle.

 

[fbrdphreak]

No, I don't care why you post things or what gets you off, or any of the above. Instead, maybe you should realize two things: (1) HP sells products to customers. Customers (for the most part) don't care about integrated graphics. The L2000 is a machine designed to generate SOME profit as well as donate money to Lance Armstrong's foundation. Putting discrete graphics in that will cost a GOOD DEAL more money, reducing the potential profit for HP & the foundation. (2) Turion's in general are going to be targeted at budget machines. It is obvious Turion won't be setting any battery life records in general (I'm not saying its bad by any means) and performance isn't mind blowing, so to ensure its part in the market place for the most part Turion will be in budget machines. Budget = integrated graphics

Now, there is the Acer Ferrari 4000: a $2200 Turion ntoebook with 128MB X700 graphics. Acer is also coming out with the Aspire 5020, which I believe has the option for X700 graphics also. MSI is making a barebones setup (also available retail IIRC) that will have X700 graphics.

Nutdotnet had it right: your panties are in a bunch. If I want to plug the website I work with, that's my perogative. You got a problem, talk to me via PM in a mature matter like the man (or woman) you're supposed to be. Otherwise, don't get your damn panties in a bunch over nothing and stop whining about integrated graphics :roll:

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: mdahc
First of all, I never said this is news. Secondly, does anyone who isn't interested in advertising for Laptop Logic have an opinion? Thirdly, I think a good number of people in this forum do care about whether a notebook has integrated graphics. Why do you think you see so many posts asking for advice about gaming notebooks.

And yes, a lot of people here do care about discrete graphics. See my previous post as to why HP didn't put discrete graphics into the L2000 or most of their other notebooks. Then just pretend like you didn't wear your ass for a hat and move on

 

[mdahc]

First of all, see my previous post.

Secondly, if fbrdphreak says Nutdotnet is right, then it must be so! In addition, I think I'll leave the topic of your overt leanings towards LaptopLogic out in the open instead of PM exchanges if that's okay with you my commander.

Lastly, if two dipsh*ts have to use a ridiculous (and sexist) phrase like "panties in a bunch" (or in Nutdotnet's case, "panties out of any knots") to get their point across, what does that say about them?

 

[Jassi]

Originally posted by: mdahc
First of all, see my previous post.

Secondly, if fbrdphreak says Nutdotnet is right, then it must be so! In addition, I think I'll leave the topic of your overt leanings towards LaptopLogic out in the open instead of PM exchanges if that's okay with you my commander.

Lastly, if two dipsh*ts have to use a ridiculous (and sexist) phrase like "panties in a bunch" (or in Nutdotnet's case, "panties out of any knots") to get their point across, what does that say about them?

Make that 3 people who think you need to chill out.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Hahahahaha, silly ppl make me laugh

 

[MDE]

They could have done MUCH worse than ATI's integrated setup. If you have to have discrete graphics and Athlon 64 on a budget check out the eMachines\Gateway laptops.

 

[hans007]

from my perspective.... (and you may flame me if you like).

if i were a gamer, i wouldnt be buying a laptop. ati rs480 graphics (i have had them on a desktop and its by far the best, probably as good as having an x300 se in your machine) is if you are not a gamer, just as good as having a 6800ultra or the best card on earth.

and i am more or less certain 99% of people buying laptops dont buy them for games. the livestrong notebook does look pretty cool though.

it is more or less like one of the compaq ones, but black and yellow. nice.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: hans007
it is more or less like one of the compaq ones, but black and yellow. nice.

Yeah, it looks a little like the Compaq V2000 in design, but with a little HP design flair. I think the style is cool, but I'm not sure how I feel about the big yellow words on the back

 

[mdahc]

Originally posted by: hans007
from my perspective.... (and you may flame me if you like).

if i were a gamer, i wouldnt be buying a laptop. ati rs480 graphics (i have had them on a desktop and its by far the best, probably as good as having an x300 se in your machine) is if you are not a gamer, just as good as having a 6800ultra or the best card on earth.

and i am more or less certain 99% of people buying laptops dont buy them for games. the livestrong notebook does look pretty cool though.

it is more or less like one of the compaq ones, but black and yellow. nice.

I don't really think laptops are appropriate for gaming either, no matter how powerful the GPU/CPU combination (power consumption somewhat defeats the battery life, so if you're going to be plugged in most of the time, why not get a desktop unless you absolutely must be mobile and playing FPS games). I realize most end users don't care about integrated graphics let alone even know what the term means. However, there are other reasons one would prefer discrete graphics, including hardware accelerated MPEG2/DVD decoding and/or WMVHD decoding (i.e. even a low end Geforce Go 6200 TC supports nVIDIA PureVideo), HD output via component video (i.e. the Toshiba Qosmio G15 and it's component output dongle) or DVI, and higher resolution output for high resolution projectors/displays/HDTV's. You just don't get these types of options with the Intel GMA 900, the integrated Radeon Xpress 200m graphics controller, or the SiS Mirage 2 (i.e. the Acer AS5002LMi-XPP). I don't even mind the system memory consumption by the virtual frame buffer as long as you get some of the aforementioned options (i.e. Turbo Cache and now Hypermemory). Anywho, that's just my 2 cents.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Jassi

Originally posted by: mdahc
First of all, see my previous post.

Secondly, if fbrdphreak says Nutdotnet is right, then it must be so! In addition, I think I'll leave the topic of your overt leanings towards LaptopLogic out in the open instead of PM exchanges if that's okay with you my commander.

Lastly, if two dipsh*ts have to use a ridiculous (and sexist) phrase like "panties in a bunch" (or in Nutdotnet's case, "panties out of any knots") to get their point across, what does that say about them?

Make that 3 people who think you need to chill out.

Four.

Edit - I have almost as many posts as the rest of the thread participants combined.

- M4H

 

[mdahc]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Jassi

Originally posted by: mdahc
First of all, see my previous post.

Secondly, if fbrdphreak says Nutdotnet is right, then it must be so! In addition, I think I'll leave the topic of your overt leanings towards LaptopLogic out in the open instead of PM exchanges if that's okay with you my commander.

Lastly, if two dipsh*ts have to use a ridiculous (and sexist) phrase like "panties in a bunch" (or in Nutdotnet's case, "panties out of any knots") to get their point across, what does that say about them?

Make that 3 people who think you need to chill out.

Four.

Edit - I have almost as many posts as the rest of the thread participants combined.

- M4H

Well la-di-da. Somebody give M4H a cookie!

 

[fbrdphreak]

Sheesh; you'd think n00blets would show a little respect, eh?

 

[mdahc]

Respect is earned, not automatically given for a sheer # of posts. Besides, if we're going by his posts, you're a n00blet as well.

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: mdahc
Respect is earned, not automatically given for a sheer # of posts. Besides, if we're going by his posts, you're a n00blet as well.

Shush you...

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: mdahc
Respect is earned, not automatically given for a sheer # of posts. Besides, if we're going by his posts, you're a n00blet as well.

Then obviously you haven't earned any respect, which is incidentally reflected by your number of posts. Maybe when you want to flame someone for no reason you should just keep your sexual frustration to yourself, k

 

[mdahc]

Originally posted by: fbrdphreak

Originally posted by: mdahc
Respect is earned, not automatically given for a sheer # of posts. Besides, if we're going by his posts, you're a n00blet as well.

Then obviously you haven't earned any respect, which is incidentally reflected by your number of posts. Maybe when you want to flame someone for no reason you should just keep your sexual frustration to yourself, k

What? So # of times you can type and then click "Reply to Topic" = a higher degree of respect? Sexual frustration? What is this nonsense?

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: mdahc
What is this nonsense?

Buddy I ask myself that every day

 

[kenan921]

Fbrd, why do u have to get personal? Sexual frustrations? Are we in high school? Grow up people. If you disagree with the merits of someone's argument then attack them, (which I admit you more than adequately did) if they decide to mock you, just laugh it off. Why demean yourself by making ad-hominem attacks on someone. How does that prove your point?


Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

 

[fbrdphreak]

Originally posted by: kenan921
Fbrd, why do u have to get personal? Sexual frustrations? Are we in high school? Grow up people. If you disagree with the merits of someone's argument then attack them, (which I admit you more than adequately did) if they decide to mock you, just laugh it off. Why demean yourself by making ad-hominem attacks on someone. How does that prove your point?


Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

I just call it like I see it. And yes, I agree.