How's this for a solution to Iraq?

[hagbard]

Saddam offers complete surrender to United Nations forces, minus the United States, GB, Australia, and Israel. If accepted, he goes into exile. Then the United States achieves its stated objective...the removal of Saddam and his WMD. And it gains the support of the rest of the world because it take George W and Friends out of the candy store (ie: oil and empire). A benefit to the US for pushing the issue is that they no longer have to worry about paying the bill of an Iraqi invasion and occupation. Saddam motivation is he gets to live and plan his return.

See...no war, no death, everybody happy (or should be, since everyone except Saddam gets what they say they want).

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: hagbard
Saddam offers complete surrender to United Nations forces, minus the United States, GB, Australia, and Israel. If accepted, he goes into exile. Then the United States achieves its stated objective...the removal of Saddam and his WMD. And it gains the support of the rest of the world because it take George W and Friends out of the candy store (ie: oil and empire). A benefit to the US for pushing the issue is that they no longer have to worry about paying the bill of an Iraqi invasion and occupation. Saddam motivation is he gets to live and plan his return.

See...no war, no death, everybody happy (or should be, since everyone except Saddam gets what they say they want).

Saddam offer complete surrender? rofl...would be nice..but I doubt it..

 

[StageLeft]

Sounds good, but he won't go. At least not until the last minute at which point he may sort out some deal but I hope he ends up in prison or dead personally.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Sounds good, but he won't go. At least not until the last minute at which point he may sort out some deal but I hope he ends up in prison or dead personally.

Given that he probably knows that his alternative is death, I think he might accept it. Moreover, there is the incentive of pissing the American's off by keeping them out and handing the keys over to the Europeans. Even better than setting the oil fields ablase, that can be put out, the US would have a difficult time of forcing the UN out. Hey, I liked my plan so much, I sent it to Baghdad.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: hagbard
Saddam offers complete surrender to United Nations forces, minus the United States, GB, Australia, and Israel. If accepted, he goes into exile. Then the United States achieves its stated objective...the removal of Saddam and his WMD. And it gains the support of the rest of the world because it take George W and Friends out of the candy store (ie: oil and empire). A benefit to the US for pushing the issue is that they no longer have to worry about paying the bill of an Iraqi invasion and occupation. Saddam motivation is he gets to live and plan his return.

See...no war, no death, everybody happy (or should be, since everyone except Saddam gets what they say they want).

sounds good if that includes disarming iraq. get to work on it

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: axiom

Originally posted by: hagbard
Saddam offers complete surrender to United Nations forces, minus the United States, GB, Australia, and Israel. If accepted, he goes into exile. Then the United States achieves its stated objective...the removal of Saddam and his WMD. And it gains the support of the rest of the world because it take George W and Friends out of the candy store (ie: oil and empire). A benefit to the US for pushing the issue is that they no longer have to worry about paying the bill of an Iraqi invasion and occupation. Saddam motivation is he gets to live and plan his return.

See...no war, no death, everybody happy (or should be, since everyone except Saddam gets what they say they want).

Unacceptable. The issue is not removing Saddam. The issue of concern is disarming Saddam. He can stay if he wants, the US just recognizes that Saddam isn't going to stay in the sandbox with no toys.

Why would the UN keep WMD in Iraq after they've taken it over? The plan includes Saddam in exile. This plan isn't that much different than what the Germans and French are proposing...the US really should back their plan and abandon dreams of oil and empire.

 

[Red Dawn]

Great, when should we expect you to make this proposal to the General Council of the UN and to Hussien himsef?

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: hagbard
Saddam offers complete surrender to United Nations forces, minus the United States, GB, Australia, and Israel. If accepted, he goes into exile. Then the United States achieves its stated objective...the removal of Saddam and his WMD. And it gains the support of the rest of the world because it take George W and Friends out of the candy store (ie: oil and empire). A benefit to the US for pushing the issue is that they no longer have to worry about paying the bill of an Iraqi invasion and occupation. Saddam motivation is he gets to live and plan his return.

See...no war, no death, everybody happy (or should be, since everyone except Saddam gets what they say they want).

Sure thing lil buddy. Now you hop on your plane and go submit it to Saddam and see how far you get!

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: hagbard
Saddam offers complete surrender to United Nations forces, minus the United States, GB, Australia, and Israel. If accepted, he goes into exile. Then the United States achieves its stated objective...the removal of Saddam and his WMD. And it gains the support of the rest of the world because it take George W and Friends out of the candy store (ie: oil and empire). A benefit to the US for pushing the issue is that they no longer have to worry about paying the bill of an Iraqi invasion and occupation. Saddam motivation is he gets to live and plan his return.

See...no war, no death, everybody happy (or should be, since everyone except Saddam gets what they say they want).

sounds good if that includes disarming iraq. get to work on it

Yeah, I like it so much, and its so obvious too, that I've already sent an email to the President (of Iraq, that is) and I'm making a list of others I should include.

 

[Chadder007]

LOL at the People who still think its about oil.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: hagbard
Saddam offers complete surrender to United Nations forces, minus the United States, GB, Australia, and Israel. If accepted, he goes into exile. Then the United States achieves its stated objective...the removal of Saddam and his WMD. And it gains the support of the rest of the world because it take George W and Friends out of the candy store (ie: oil and empire). A benefit to the US for pushing the issue is that they no longer have to worry about paying the bill of an Iraqi invasion and occupation. Saddam motivation is he gets to live and plan his return.

See...no war, no death, everybody happy (or should be, since everyone except Saddam gets what they say they want).

sounds good if that includes disarming iraq. get to work on it

Yeah, I like it so much, and its so obvious too, that I've already sent an email to the President (of Iraq, that is) and I'm making a list of others I should include.

Let us know how your email diplomacy works out.

 

[Rogue]

Why is it that all you asshats constantly accuse the US of aiming to take over all the oil? Stop spewing your conspiracy BS and get to the real issues. Saddam has defied the UN and the World for years and now he's meeting head on with the consequences of it all. We liberated Kuwait and have a very large military presence there. Why didn't we take over their oil, afterall, they're much smaller and we could have done it as a thanks for saving their asses the first time around. I'm getting sick and tired of the mindless, one-sided, short sighted ignorance so prevalent in OT on this topic.

 

[ToBeMe]

Originally posted by: hagbard
Saddam offers complete surrender to United Nations forces, minus the United States, GB, Australia, and Israel. If accepted, he goes into exile. Then the United States achieves its stated objective...the removal of Saddam and his WMD. And it gains the support of the rest of the world because it take George W and Friends out of the candy store (ie: oil and empire). A benefit to the US for pushing the issue is that they no longer have to worry about paying the bill of an Iraqi invasion and occupation. Saddam motivation is he gets to live and plan his return.

See...no war, no death, everybody happy (or should be, since everyone except Saddam gets what they say they want).

Um, are you aware that the US and Jordan are now the ONLY two countries still actively seeking a host country for Saddam and his family and that the US is still trying to pursuede Saddam to go into exile through diplomats and the UN?

Didn't think so............

• 
  Washington, Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Secretary of State Colin Powell said the U.S. has been contacting governments on the prospect of compelling Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein to go into exile, saying that would ``avoid a lot of suffering.''
  
  ``We are not only discussing it, we are in touch with a number of countries that have expressed interest in conveying this message to the Iraqi regime that time's up,'' Powell told the House International Relations Committee. ``One way to avoid a lot of suffering is for the regime to step down.''
  

 

[Rogue]

Oh, and while we're at it, let's also not forget that the main reason that France, Germany and Russia are opposed to our removing Saddam is because they've cut really good deals on oil from them, so let's stop accusing the US of making decisions regarding Iraq's oil and point the finger in the right direction(s).

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Rogue
Why is it that all you asshats constantly accuse the US of aiming to take over all the oil? Stop spewing your conspiracy BS and get to the real issues. Saddam has defied the UN and the World for years and now he's meeting head on with the consequences of it all. We liberated Kuwait and have a very large military presence there. Why didn't we take over their oil, afterall, they're much smaller and we could have done it as a thanks for saving their asses the first time around. I'm getting sick and tired of the mindless, one-sided, short sighted ignorance so prevalent in OT on this topic.

Then let the UN go in, not the United States, that will defuse the "its for oil" critics (of which I am one).

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: ToBeMe

Originally posted by: hagbard
Saddam offers complete surrender to United Nations forces, minus the United States, GB, Australia, and Israel. If accepted, he goes into exile. Then the United States achieves its stated objective...the removal of Saddam and his WMD. And it gains the support of the rest of the world because it take George W and Friends out of the candy store (ie: oil and empire). A benefit to the US for pushing the issue is that they no longer have to worry about paying the bill of an Iraqi invasion and occupation. Saddam motivation is he gets to live and plan his return.

See...no war, no death, everybody happy (or should be, since everyone except Saddam gets what they say they want).

Um, are you aware that the US and Jordan are now the ONLY two countries still actively seeking a host country for Saddam and his family and that the US is still trying to pursuede Saddam to go into exile through diplomats and the UN?

Didn't think so............

Actually, I am aware of it. I am also aware that the US has stated that even if Saddam goes, they are still going to invade Iraq. Again, there justification is that its the only way to get rid of WMD. Well, why then doesn't the US accept the European plan of sending the UN in instead? Why? Because it is about oil and it is about conquest.

 

[ToBeMe]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Rogue
Why is it that all you asshats constantly accuse the US of aiming to take over all the oil? Stop spewing your conspiracy BS and get to the real issues. Saddam has defied the UN and the World for years and now he's meeting head on with the consequences of it all. We liberated Kuwait and have a very large military presence there. Why didn't we take over their oil, afterall, they're much smaller and we could have done it as a thanks for saving their asses the first time around. I'm getting sick and tired of the mindless, one-sided, short sighted ignorance so prevalent in OT on this topic.

Then let the UN go in, not the United States, that will defuse the "its for oil" critics (of which I am one).

Um, again, that's fine, but since the UN doesn't WANT to, what's your next move?

 

[jjones]

Good idea and Saddam should go for it about the same time we start seeing pigs flying.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Rogue
Why is it that all you asshats constantly accuse the US of aiming to take over all the oil? Stop spewing your conspiracy BS and get to the real issues. Saddam has defied the UN and the World for years and now he's meeting head on with the consequences of it all. We liberated Kuwait and have a very large military presence there. Why didn't we take over their oil, afterall, they're much smaller and we could have done it as a thanks for saving their asses the first time around. I'm getting sick and tired of the mindless, one-sided, short sighted ignorance so prevalent in OT on this topic.

Then let the UN go in, not the United States, that will defuse the "its for oil" critics (of which I am one).

The UN is in. These "inspections" are useless.

 

[ToBeMe]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: ToBeMe

Originally posted by: hagbard
Saddam offers complete surrender to United Nations forces, minus the United States, GB, Australia, and Israel. If accepted, he goes into exile. Then the United States achieves its stated objective...the removal of Saddam and his WMD. And it gains the support of the rest of the world because it take George W and Friends out of the candy store (ie: oil and empire). A benefit to the US for pushing the issue is that they no longer have to worry about paying the bill of an Iraqi invasion and occupation. Saddam motivation is he gets to live and plan his return.

See...no war, no death, everybody happy (or should be, since everyone except Saddam gets what they say they want).

Um, are you aware that the US and Jordan are now the ONLY two countries still actively seeking a host country for Saddam and his family and that the US is still trying to pursuede Saddam to go into exile through diplomats and the UN?

Didn't think so............

Actually, I am aware of it. I am also aware that the US has stated that even if Saddam goes, they are still going to invade Iraq. Again, there justification is that its the only way to get rid of WMD. Well, why then doesn't the US accept the European plan of sending the UN in instead? Why? Because it is about oil and it is about conquest.

BS! The US, (Powell & Bush) have stated that if Saddam and his family go into exhile, the US would simply send troops to ACCOMPNY the inspectors along with UN forces and assure all WMD's are located and destroyed! They both also stated that control of Iraq's oil wells would be in the hands of the UN!

And, as stated above, the possibility of a UN forces takeover of Iraq WAS suggested and promptly dropped as it was determined that UN forces were not equipped for such an undertaking!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Rogue
Why is it that all you asshats constantly accuse the US of aiming to take over all the oil? Stop spewing your conspiracy BS and get to the real issues. Saddam has defied the UN and the World for years and now he's meeting head on with the consequences of it all. We liberated Kuwait and have a very large military presence there. Why didn't we take over their oil, afterall, they're much smaller and we could have done it as a thanks for saving their asses the first time around. I'm getting sick and tired of the mindless, one-sided, short sighted ignorance so prevalent in OT on this topic.

Maybe because they feel that Bush and Company haven't done enough to convince them that it's not for oil. If I were to base my opinion on whether we should go to war with Iraq based on what Bush has said I still might believe that it was partly for the oil reserves. Fortunately there are others who have explained why we need to take out Hussien a lot better than Bush has that convince me that taking out Hussien in least bitter of the two pill we have to choosew to swallow. Maybe if we had someone else other than Bush and his crew trying to sell the need to attack Iraq the French, Germans and Russians they might by more willing to agree with us. Frankly if Bush didn't go off on his saber rattling "Axis of Evil" rant he might have come across differently to them and to their people.

 

[Grey]

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Sounds good, but he won't go. At least not until the last minute at which point he may sort out some deal but I hope he ends up in prison or dead personally.

Given that he probably knows that his alternative is death, I think he might accept it. Moreover, there is the incentive of pissing the American's off by keeping them out and handing the keys over to the Europeans. Even better than setting the oil fields ablase, that can be put out, the US would have a difficult time of forcing the UN out. Hey, I liked my plan so much, I sent it to Baghdad.

The second Saddam steps outside of his circle in Iraq he is dead. He knows it, and all sensible people know it. He has to many enemies. Infact I hear the Isrealis would like a little chat with him.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: ToBeMe

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Rogue
Why is it that all you asshats constantly accuse the US of aiming to take over all the oil? Stop spewing your conspiracy BS and get to the real issues. Saddam has defied the UN and the World for years and now he's meeting head on with the consequences of it all. We liberated Kuwait and have a very large military presence there. Why didn't we take over their oil, afterall, they're much smaller and we could have done it as a thanks for saving their asses the first time around. I'm getting sick and tired of the mindless, one-sided, short sighted ignorance so prevalent in OT on this topic.

Then let the UN go in, not the United States, that will defuse the "its for oil" critics (of which I am one).

Um, again, that's fine, but since the UN doesn't WANT to, what's your next move?

Has the UN said they don't want to?

 

[Rogue]

The UN is there and has been there and time and again they've been misguided by the leader of a regime hell bent on death, torture and destruction. Are you so near sighted that you can't see that no amount of unarmed weapons inspectors will ever find anything that they're looking for in a country lead by one man in total control of every aspect of the country that they're looking in? Beyond that, let's not also forget that he's had over two years to hide any and everything that they are looking for. I'm willing to bet I can hide something of yours, in your own home and then task you with finding it and you may never find it, especially if I had two years to do it. President Bush put it best in his State of the Union address when he said that there are 120 inspectors trying to find WMD in an area the size of California. Can you even fathom those odds? Try finding even one specific car in all of California without any computer database or license plate tracking system of any kind, not to mention, everyone you see on the streets are opposed to telling you that they saw the car because either a) they work for the person that owns the car or b) they fear the person that owns the car will kill them and their family if they tell you anything. Now you only begin the imagine why the UN attempt at disarming and locating Saddam's WMD is futile.

 

[hagbard]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: hagbard

Originally posted by: Rogue
Why is it that all you asshats constantly accuse the US of aiming to take over all the oil? Stop spewing your conspiracy BS and get to the real issues. Saddam has defied the UN and the World for years and now he's meeting head on with the consequences of it all. We liberated Kuwait and have a very large military presence there. Why didn't we take over their oil, afterall, they're much smaller and we could have done it as a thanks for saving their asses the first time around. I'm getting sick and tired of the mindless, one-sided, short sighted ignorance so prevalent in OT on this topic.

Then let the UN go in, not the United States, that will defuse the "its for oil" critics (of which I am one).

The UN is in. These "inspections" are useless.

Not talking about "inspectors". Talking about occupation of the country, the same way the US wanted to occupy it.