Howard Dean Still Uses False Study on Abortions Under Bush

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Howard Dean Still Uses False Study on Abortions Under Bush

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
June 10, 2005

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- Democratic Party chairman Howard Dean is coming under fire for continuing to rely on a false study released last year that claims abortions have increased under President Bush. That's despite new figures from a Planned Parenthood research group showing the opposite is true.
In a May 22 interview on NBC's "Meet the Press," Dean told Tim Russert, "You know that abortions have gone up 25 percent since George Bush was President?"

His basis for the comment was a survey released just before the presidential election by researcher Harold Stassen who reviewed data from 16 states, some of which he never named in his article.

Stassen's article claimed abortions were up under Bush, though not anywhere close to 25 percent.

However, a new comprehensive review conducted at the end of May by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, the research arm of Planned Parenthood, looks at figures from 43 states and finds abortions decreased nationwide under Bush ? by 0.8% in 2001 and by another 0.8% in 2002.

Despite the Planned Parenthood study, Dean continues to trumpet the false data.

Last week, on June 3, Dean stated on CNN's "Wolf Blitzer Reports" program: "The abortion rate was lower than Democrat -- when Democrats were in charge, than they are when the Republicans are in charge.

However, Dr. Randy O'Bannon, director of education at the National Right to Life Committee, says most of the abortion decline in the 1990s occurred during the first few years. That's when the first President Bush was in office and shortly thereafter -- before Clinton's economic policies would have had an effect.

"In Clinton's last year in office, the decline was ... just 0.1%," O'Bannon explained.

During the Bush years and the year after, abortions decreased by 113,000, or 7 percent. The number of abortions fell by 46,500, or 3.5 percent, during Clinton's second term in office, when his economic policies were in full effect.

The abortion number even reversed itself one year during the Clinton presidency, from 1995-1996, and went up slightly.

"Under President Bush the number of abortions has gone down, but under Chairman Dean the number of fabrications and slanders has gone up," says Douglas Johnson, legislative director for NRLC.

Under President George W. Bush, the abortion numbers of some states are at their lowest levels ever.

The state of Washington recently recorded the lowest annual abortion rates in state history and the state of Wisconsin reported that abortion rates there are at their lowest levels since 1974.

New statistics in the state of Illinois show a whopping 10 percent drop in the number of abortions performed last year. The new numbers take the state to its lowest number of annual abortions in thirty years.

Following the AGI report, Stassen admitted he can't substantiate his original claims.

He sent a memo on May 25 to FactCheck.org, an investigative web site, saying the AGI study was "significantly better" than his own.

"I based my estimates in October on the sixteen states whose data I could find then. Now, seven months later, and with their extensive data-gathering ability, AGI (Alan Guttmacher Institute) bases their results on 44 states," Stassen wrote.

"They say their results are only estimates, projections, but I believe their results are significantly better than what I could have obtained seven months ago," he said.

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Come on Howard, you should know better!

Honestly, are the Dems that desperate that they have to make up false charges?


 
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Machiavellian "ends justify the means" is a staple of American politics. I don't think we should be surprised, and we shouldn?t be outraged until we start supporting the ability of the best man for the job to win with a transition to approval voting. Otherwise we get the lies and deceit that, we as a people, are demanding.
 

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I'd thought I'd never see the day when the pro-lifers are using Planned Parenthood to re-enforce their argument.

/runs to the window to look for flying pigs.
 

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I don't know how objective a "Planned Parenthood research group" can be when researching abortions. However, i doubt any decline or increase would have anything to do with the president.
 
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Originally posted by: her209
I'd thought I'd never see the day when the pro-lifers are using Planned Parenthood to re-enforce their argument.

/runs to the window to look for flying pigs.

I do all the time, planed parenthood is a good resource for information that won't be dismissed out of hand by people who are usually closed minded.

planed parenthood says that 1 in 8 who use condoms regularly have a pregnancy annually. Pregnancy is much harder than spreading STDs, particularly aids. This shows quite conclusively that you can't say that condom use is "safe sex"
However, i doubt any decline or increase would have anything to do with the president.
only as far as a president controls economic and social issues.. or in Kerryite?s situation, would pay for people to get abortions.
 

miketheidiot

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hypocracy defined: rip criticizing someone else for using poor research to back up his rediculous claims.
 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: her209
I'd thought I'd never see the day when the pro-lifers are using Planned Parenthood to re-enforce their argument.

/runs to the window to look for flying pigs.

I do all the time, planed parenthood is a good resource for information that won't be dismissed out of hand by people who are usually closed minded.

planed parenthood says that 1 in 8 who use condoms regularly have a pregnancy annually. Pregnancy is much harder than spreading STDs, particularly aids. This shows quite conclusively that you can't say that condom use is "safe sex"
However, i doubt any decline or increase would have anything to do with the president.
only as far as a president controls economic and social issues.. or in Kerryite?s situation, would pay for people to get abortions.

Keyword. Using it religiously, and correctly, will save you from most STD's. It doesn't matter if you f*ck 8 times, and don't use the condom once, which is likely what's happening. Or even only using it 6 times.
And you forget that not everybody has std's, most people can get pregnant.

Let me guess, you're a christian mad at people for murdering unborn children?
 

Jhhnn

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Nice spin on the study by the anti-choice faction. Here, read it for yourself-

http://www.agi-usa.org/media/nr/2005/05/19/index.html

Maybe the total number of abortions and the abortion rate are declining because of better sex-ed and availability of birth control? Maybe the educational situation of 5-10 years ago has more of an effect than who's prez today? Maybe the abstinence only fundie pablum will only begin to have an effect somewhere down the road.... The study itself cautions us not to draw firm conclusions, which Rip&Co obviously won't bother to heed...
 
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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain
Originally posted by: her209
I'd thought I'd never see the day when the pro-lifers are using Planned Parenthood to re-enforce their argument.

/runs to the window to look for flying pigs.

I do all the time, planed parenthood is a good resource for information that won't be dismissed out of hand by people who are usually closed minded.

planed parenthood says that 1 in 8 who use condoms regularly have a pregnancy annually. Pregnancy is much harder than spreading STDs, particularly aids. This shows quite conclusively that you can't say that condom use is "safe sex"
However, i doubt any decline or increase would have anything to do with the president.
only as far as a president controls economic and social issues.. or in Kerryite?s situation, would pay for people to get abortions.

Keyword. Using it religiously, and correctly, will save you from most STD's. It doesn't matter if you f*ck 8 times, and don't use the condom once, which is likely what's happening. Or even only using it 6 times.
And you forget that not everybody has std's, most people can get pregnant.

Let me guess, you're a Christian mad at people for murdering unborn children?

I?m sorry, let me find the link for you so that we can be quite clear on our definitions and basifies of fact.

Ever not give everything you didn?t need to charity? Ever feel bad for those that die because you didn?t?
That?s how I feel not trying to encourage everyone that I can who walks into an abortion clinic not to end the life of the unique and valuable human that?s being gestated.

It?s also got nothing to do with what I was saying :p.

Of 100 women whose partners use condoms, about 15 will become pregnant during the first year of typical use.* Only two women will become pregnant with perfect use.**
so yes, perfect use *and who uses them perfectly? and never has a breakage problem* reduces your chances, per yer, of pregnancy to 1 in 50. STDs clearly can be transferred at a higher rate than pregnancy occurs

ofcourse it's 1 in 7 for typical use.
we should have public educations that tells people both the risks involved in typical use, the benefits but continued danger of perfect use, and how to precisely use condoms.


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Jhhnn

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The chances of contracting STD's is 1 in 7 for typical use, LMK? And just where, pray tell, did you glom onto that particular bit of disinformation?

Or am I misreading you last post, above?
 

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Approximately 20 million people are currently infected with HPV. At least 50 percent of sexually active men and women acquire genital HPV infection at some point in their lives. By age 50, at least 80 percent of women will have acquired genital HPV infection. About 6.2 million Americans get a new genital HPV infection each year.

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Genital HPV CANNOT be entirely prevented by condom use.


 

her209

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Nice spin on the study by the anti-choice faction. Here, read it for yourself-

http://www.agi-usa.org/media/nr/2005/05/19/index.html

Maybe the total number of abortions and the abortion rate are declining because of better sex-ed and availability of birth control? Maybe the educational situation of 5-10 years ago has more of an effect than who's prez today? Maybe the abstinence only fundie pablum will only begin to have an effect somewhere down the road.... The study itself cautions us not to draw firm conclusions, which Rip&Co obviously won't bother to heed...
Thanks Jhhnn.

From your link, it is important to note this pararaph:
The most recent AGI survey of abortion providers collected data for 2000. To estimate the change in the number of abortions between 2000 and 2001, we began with the number of abortions occurring in each state, as reported by the CDC, in each of those two years;*5 the three states without reporting systems were excluded. We eliminated the states with very incomplete or inconsistent reporting (Arizona, Maryland and Nevada, as well as the District of Columbia), and summed, for each year, the number of abortions that took place in the 44 remaining states. The percentage change between 2000 and 2001 was then applied to AGI?s more complete nationwide count of 1,312,990 abortions in 2000 to arrive at the national estimate for 2001. The same procedure was used to estimate the change in the number of abortions between 2001 and 2002, except that the data for both years were collected directly from state health departments because the CDC abortion surveillance report for 2002 has not been published.? For 2002, no data were available for Wyoming (in addition to the states with no reporting systems), and we eliminated Arizona, Colorado, the District of Columbia and Maryland because of inconsistent reporting. We used the remaining 43 states for our calculations.
 

her209

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Approximately 20 million people are currently infected with HPV. At least 50 percent of sexually active men and women acquire genital HPV infection at some point in their lives. By age 50, at least 80 percent of women will have acquired genital HPV infection. About 6.2 million Americans get a new genital HPV infection each year.

Link

Genital HPV CANNOT be entirely prevented by condom use.
From Rip's link:

HPV infection can occur in both male and female genital areas that are covered or protected by a latex condom, as well as in areas that are not covered. While the effect of condoms in preventing HPV infection is unknown, condom use has been associated with a lower rate of cervical cancer, an HPV-associated disease.

Let me rephrase this to see if I get what they are saying. They are saying that you can get infected on areas where a condom is normally used, as well as areas that aren't normally protected. However, they aren't sure as to the effect of condoms in terms of preventing the infection of HPV; however, they do site the example of lower cervical cancer rate when using condoms.

Anyone else interpret this as such?
 
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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The chances of contracting STD's is 1 in 7 for typical use, LMK? And just where, pray tell, did you glom onto that particular bit of disinformation?

Or am I misreading you last post, above?

you misunderstand, i said that over a year of common use you've got a 1 in 7 chance of pregnancy and at very least the same chance that an STD could have been transmitted.