Howard Dean and the so called Abramoff "Republican Scandal"
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I said from day one Dean was good news for Republicans. So long as that idiot is left to the leadership role for the Dems they'll continue to slide further and further to irrelevancy, while losing elections.
See, I don't know. I agree that this could blow up in the Dems collective face, but polls seem to suggest that people are willing to buy the idea that corruption is a Republican problem, and that the Dems are better. While this isn't as true as the Dems might like to believe, it's all about what you can convince people of to win elections.
Heh. Abramoff personally spread millions of dollars of quid pro quo cash across the repub ranks, along with his pal tom delay, yet when harry reid gets a few thousand after the fact from an Abramoff client, it's the usual "they're just as bad!" song and dance.
Repubs generally get the money up front, then vote their wallet, and Dems haven't been shown to be the recipient of funds laundered through phony charities, either...
No, they're not just as bad, certainly not in this current imbroglio. Yeh, sure, some Dems apparently have a little bit of stinky stuff on their boots, but Repubs have been using it as body fragrance, hair tonic, and gargle... almost a religious rite...
Repubs generally outspend Dems on a regular basis, often more than 2:1. Where do you think all that money comes from, and why do people give it to them?
Because they put out a giant "For Sale" sign that would make a Vegas Casino green with envy, that's why...
Repubs generally get the money up front, then vote their wallet, and Dems haven't been shown to be the recipient of funds laundered through phony charities, either...
No, they're not just as bad, certainly not in this current imbroglio. Yeh, sure, some Dems apparently have a little bit of stinky stuff on their boots, but Repubs have been using it as body fragrance, hair tonic, and gargle... almost a religious rite...
Repubs generally outspend Dems on a regular basis, often more than 2:1. Where do you think all that money comes from, and why do people give it to them?
Because they put out a giant "For Sale" sign that would make a Vegas Casino green with envy, that's why...
The fact is Harry Reid can be indicted on the basis of any amount of quid pro quo money and if he is do you have any idea what that will do to the Democrat party. The crap will hit the fan that is what it will do. The heck with this is "just is bad" stuff this about who did what, when and where and the facts will come out. In the end you and your party might like to paint this as a Republican problem but that is far from reality. I?ve already posted a link from the post about who supposedly the first six congressmen being investigated are, and it just so happens, Harry Reid is on the list. In the end the American people will decide the facts this November.
Harry Reid knows very well how the game is played. The Coushattas evidently sought his support in the matter, and he listened. They showed their gratitude after the fact. Neither party was obligated to do anything.
Contrast that with the Abramoff/ DeLay methodology, where campaign contributors pay up front for "access", an amazing euphemism, creating a whole different kind of relationship, one where contributors expect to get what they paid for, and generally do... Also the kind of relationships where guys like Abramoff can peddle their services in a fraudulent manner.
"Access" to Reid was free, whereas Repubs see "Access" the same way as they see "Free Speech"- you can have all you can pay for.... cash up front, of course...
And, yeh, Repubs were quick to salt the mine, so to speak, with anonymous leaks about investigation of Reid- the whole "they're just as bad!" routine, as stated above...
Any official recognition that Reid is a target? No? Then it's just a smear...
Contrast that with the Abramoff/ DeLay methodology, where campaign contributors pay up front for "access", an amazing euphemism, creating a whole different kind of relationship, one where contributors expect to get what they paid for, and generally do... Also the kind of relationships where guys like Abramoff can peddle their services in a fraudulent manner.
"Access" to Reid was free, whereas Repubs see "Access" the same way as they see "Free Speech"- you can have all you can pay for.... cash up front, of course...
And, yeh, Repubs were quick to salt the mine, so to speak, with anonymous leaks about investigation of Reid- the whole "they're just as bad!" routine, as stated above...
Any official recognition that Reid is a target? No? Then it's just a smear...
The methods I've attributed to Reid haven't changed since the dawn of the Republic, jlmadison- it's been that way for over 200 years, and has been regarded as ethical. Politicians listen, and tailor their votes for a variety of reasons, sometimes financial, sometimes not, and sometimes the two fit together rather neatly, anyway... there is no proof whatsoever that the Coushattas promised $X for Reid's vote, or any reason other than partisanship to make the attribution. His vote was entirely consistent with the goals of his State, which are obviously to limit or prevent gambling anywhere else...
In the realm of political money, $5K is just a thankyou note, anyway- compare it to the amounts spent on just one of Delay's golf junkets... all done on the basis of pay first, maybe see some results later...
In the realm of political money, $5K is just a thankyou note, anyway- compare it to the amounts spent on just one of Delay's golf junkets... all done on the basis of pay first, maybe see some results later...
Nice ploy, Pabster. I already pointed out that it was entirely in the interests of Reid's State for him to vote the way he did... And there has been no proof whatsoever offered that Reid was bought- that's merely a smear and an attempt to divert attention from politicians who really were bought... Hundreds of millions of dollars are made in political contributions every year- not all are scandalous.
And I seriously doubt that you, of all people, would support the idea of taking money out of politics entirely- it would ruin the Republican Party, after all...
And I seriously doubt that you, of all people, would support the idea of taking money out of politics entirely- it would ruin the Republican Party, after all...
What "List", jlmadison? The one alleged to exist by unofficial anonymous sources?
Repubs are amazingly adept at leading the press around by their noses- any reasons for anybody to think that what you allege is anything else?
Repubs are amazingly adept at leading the press around by their noses- any reasons for anybody to think that what you allege is anything else?
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What I said in earlier threads is still valid here-----we have a heck of a scandal an its being investigated
by the very foxes that are raiding the chicken coop---namely a partisan Republican justice department
headed by Alberto Gonzales.---not exactly a savory character in my book given he is pushing unlimited Presidential power and seems unable to correctly read the clear language of The US constitution.
So what do we get--------3 Republicans on the hot list and two democrats-----with Delay nowhere on that list------and its being done slow boat to China-------so far my nose detects a strong odor of skunks. And much of it coming from the prosecution side of the fence.
We need an independent prosecutor ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!-------and like good old Kenny boy Lay it now turns out Bush has a selective memory of visits and associations with Jack Abramoff. Can you spell stonewall?-----beam me up Scotty McClennan.
by the very foxes that are raiding the chicken coop---namely a partisan Republican justice department
headed by Alberto Gonzales.---not exactly a savory character in my book given he is pushing unlimited Presidential power and seems unable to correctly read the clear language of The US constitution.
So what do we get--------3 Republicans on the hot list and two democrats-----with Delay nowhere on that list------and its being done slow boat to China-------so far my nose detects a strong odor of skunks. And much of it coming from the prosecution side of the fence.
We need an independent prosecutor ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!-------and like good old Kenny boy Lay it now turns out Bush has a selective memory of visits and associations with Jack Abramoff. Can you spell stonewall?-----beam me up Scotty McClennan.
I stated that earlier as the post. Heh, it?s the post that came up with list buddy not me. Try to get your facts straight. The facts are Reid accepted 60+ k in all from Jack's clients you can rub it anyway you like "Republican scandal" or not.
What was the content of that letter written by Reid? Did it affect legislation? Did it pass business to the tribe? Those questions will need to be answered before any fingers can be pointed at Reid.
P.S. Learn how to use the quote feature
I'm certain "those" questions will be answered in due course.
P.S. I used it quite clearly maybe not to your liking but oh well.
No answers to the questions? Prefer to get pissed off at some constructive posting criticism instead? :roll:
How about answering the questions?
How about answering the questions?
Um what are you talking about. There is an investigation on the table the answers are coming maybe not to your liking but I'm not hear to answer any of your questions.
Repubs outspend Dems nearly 2:1, Pabster... and that's not out of their own pockets, either.
And, uhh, jlmadyson, are you trying to say that Reid somehow changed his position in response to campaign contributions? Both he and his Repub counterpart, Ensign, have opposed the expansion of Indian gambling for many years, for obvious reasons... Neither of them altered their positions in the slightest, regardless of whatever money came in from whatever source... Contributions came in because of the positions they've held for years, and not vice-versa...
It's not quite like the idol of the fundie fringe, Ralph Reed, knowingly ending up with laundered tribal gambling money in his coffers... or a lot of the other shady dealings from the purveyors of so-called "honor and dignity", "morals", and "family values"...
There's a reason that lobbying firms have enjoyed explosive growth during the last few years, and it's not because Repubs have any scruples at all wrt money...
And, uhh, jlmadyson, are you trying to say that Reid somehow changed his position in response to campaign contributions? Both he and his Repub counterpart, Ensign, have opposed the expansion of Indian gambling for many years, for obvious reasons... Neither of them altered their positions in the slightest, regardless of whatever money came in from whatever source... Contributions came in because of the positions they've held for years, and not vice-versa...
It's not quite like the idol of the fundie fringe, Ralph Reed, knowingly ending up with laundered tribal gambling money in his coffers... or a lot of the other shady dealings from the purveyors of so-called "honor and dignity", "morals", and "family values"...
There's a reason that lobbying firms have enjoyed explosive growth during the last few years, and it's not because Repubs have any scruples at all wrt money...
It's a bloody epidemic.
There seriously needs to be a study done re: the lack of reading comprehension skills amongst far-right conservatives.
What was the content of that letter written by Reid? Did it affect legislation? Did it pass business to the tribe? Those questions will need to be answered before any fingers can be pointed at Reid.
I'm not the one that started a thread on it. You're casting stones at one Democrat with no proof he's done anything wrong. The same cannot be said of the GOP where we've already had convictions or charges on several high-ranking members (Abramoff, Scanlon, DeLay, Safavian, Cunningham) and more coming.
You don't care about the truth. You're just looking for a way to divert attention from the growing scandal in the GOP.
You don't care about the truth. You're just looking for a way to divert attention from the growing scandal in the GOP.
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