How would you get rid of corporate welfare? Or is it necessary?

[fskimospy]

So what you're really saying is he would change nothing from it's present course anyhow~
Your screwed anyway you look at it even if you become bigtime nazi's, what it is- a pyramid scheme going into it's curtain call.
Yo be re-inhabited by it's aboriginal descendants(latino's) and have a kinda north-mexico state.
I reckon some states will try to join Canada!
But be refused!
A sino-russian coalition will be then big boy in the world.
This is the troubles of any culture built of enslavement- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuJSa265iKM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P44IBiyIWfQ

There is so much wrong with what you wrote, and so much insanity, you're giving the OP a run for his money in stupid shit to write.

 

[charrison]

20% annual reduction over 5 years. When it is gone, it is gone.

 

[Siddhartha]

I've run into too many people who say they want to get rid of the plutocracy and corporate welfare, but don't want to do much of anything that would get rid of it.

That leads me to believe that most people favor corporate welfare.

If you don't like corporate welfare, then what would you do to get rid of it?

What would I do?

I would abolish IP/copyrights and Amend the Constitution to disallow the Federal Government from issuing them.
I would end the MIC by amending the Constitution to disallow the military from conducting overseas operations.
I would slash the military budget by ~95%.
I would end the Fed, end fiat currency, and mandate 100% reserves.
I would end the FDA.
I would repeal the 17th Amendment and replace it with the 10th Amendment Center's suggestion, and add a section mandating that Presidential electors be chosen by state legislatures.
I would end all federal gun control.
I would Amend the Constitution to disallow the Federal Government from regulating interstate commerce.
I would repeal the HMO Act and Medicare Part D
I'd withdraw from the WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA, and the U.N.
With repeal of the 16th Amendment, I'd add a section stating that tariffs may be for revenue only.
I would end the Federal War on Drugs.
I would fire all of the Supreme Court Justices except Clarence Thomas.
I would end the FCC and Departments of Energy, EPA, Homeland Security, Education, Justice, etc.

I can see that this is a punch list for taking out the Federal government but I do not see how firing 8 of the Supreme Court Justices and ending federal gun control has to do with ending corporate welfare.

 

[dmcowen674]

Elections, are what is supposed to stop bad politicians from being elected.

It's obvious that doesn't work.

I know, went from the greatest President ever in Bush to the worst in Obama, clearly the system is broken

 

[Anarchist420]

I can see that this is a punch list for taking out the Federal government but I do not see how firing 8 of the Supreme Court Justices and ending federal gun control has to do with ending corporate welfare.

Gun manufacturers like gun control because it protects them from lawsuits.

Clarence Thomas is the only Justice who isn't a corporatist. I miss the Rehnquist Court so fucking bad. After the Republic collapses under the Roberts Court, the Rehnquist Court will be known as the "Last Good Court of the Constitutional Republic".

 

[fskimospy]

Gun manufacturers like gun control because it protects them from lawsuits.

Clarence Thomas is the only Justice who isn't a corporatist. I miss the Rehnquist Court so fucking bad. After the Republic collapses under the Roberts Court, the Rehnquist Court will be known as the "Last Good Court of the Constitutional Republic".

So describe to us an approximate means and timeline for this collapse.

 

[JD50]

So what you're really saying is he would change nothing from it's present course anyhow~
Your screwed anyway you look at it even if you become bigtime nazi's, what it is- a pyramid scheme going into it's curtain call.
Yo be re-inhabited by it's aboriginal descendants(latino's) and have a kinda north-mexico state.
I reckon some states will try to join Canada!
But be refused!
A sino-russian coalition will be then big boy in the world.
This is the troubles of any culture built of enslavement- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuJSa265iKM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P44IBiyIWfQ

lol

 

[MovingTarget]

LOL...anarchist obviously hates his education and life.

Dude, do us a favor, get off the internet (which was/is funded by taxpayers) and go to your Libertopia of pig farming and nail making. Just don't bitch when China invades and takes your pigs and farm because they had a highly trained standing army and all you had was a 30-06 and a .45.

WOLVERINES!!!



Seriously, he is correct that the influence of the MIC needs to be addressed, but his statement amounts to throwing out the baby with the bathwater. The MIC in many ways can be considered a major benificiary of corporate welfare. What needs to happen is that Congressional war power needs to be readressed - no overseas military action without an actual declaration of war by Congress (unlike what happened in Iraq/Afghanistan - authorization for action..pfffft...). But to completely ban overseas action or a standing army (despite its perils) is just dumb.

 

[MovingTarget]

I've run into too many people who say they want to get rid of the plutocracy and corporate welfare, but don't want to do much of anything that would get rid of it.

That leads me to believe that most people favor corporate welfare.

If you don't like corporate welfare, then what would you do to get rid of it?

What would I do?

1) I would abolish IP/copyrights and Amend the Constitution to disallow the Federal Government from issuing them.
2) I would end the MIC by amending the Constitution to disallow the military from conducting overseas operations.
3) I would slash the military budget by ~95%.
4) I would end the Fed, end fiat currency, and mandate 100% reserves.
5) I would end the FDA.
6) I would repeal the 17th Amendment and replace it with the 10th Amendment Center's suggestion, and add a section mandating that Presidential electors be chosen by state legislatures.
7) I would end all federal gun control.
8) I would Amend the Constitution to disallow the Federal Government from regulating interstate commerce.
9) I would repeal the HMO Act and Medicare Part D
10) I'd withdraw from the WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA, and the U.N.
11) With repeal of the 16th Amendment, I'd add a section stating that tariffs may be for revenue only.
12) I would end the Federal War on Drugs.
13) I would fire all of the Supreme Court Justices except Clarence Thomas.
14) I would end the FCC and Departments of Energy, EPA, Homeland Security, Education, Justice, etc.

Ending corporate welfare is fine in theory, but any sane person would realize that not all corporate welfare is bad. This list of grievances is about doing more than just ending corporate welfare. Exactly what, I'm not really sure. So, I will address them with my own more moderate proposals.

1) Copyrights/IP in their current form are corporate welfare. There should be balance between the good of the public and those of entrepreneurs (corporate or otherwise). Too little copyright protection removes incentive to create, whereas perpetual copyright allows corporations to continue to rest on their laurels and not continually create new works. Our laws should not be stuck in the "Steamboat Willie" mode of perpetual copyright. 14yr copyright w/ a possible 7yr extension sounds about right.

2) See my above post on the MIC

3) ~95% would be a little too excessive. We still should be on par with the other major powers to ensure our terretorial and economic status. Anything beyond that should be funnelled into pure scientific R&D - NASA, DARPA, DoE(nergy), etc. Not all corp welfare is bad for the economy.

4) Ending the Fed, returning to the gold standard is economic suicide. Again, it sounds nice in theory, but in practice would be an unmitigated disaster. For this to even be possible, we would need to get things in our current system working first.

5) I can test my own food for botulism! (nomnomnom...)

6) I'm on the fence for this one. Popular election of Senators was agruably a good thing, and I do still support the electoral college, but I fail to see how this would have any real impact on corporate welfare. How about lobbyist reform?

7) I am a supporter of second amendment rights, but this will have no effect on corporate welfare. None.

8) Despite the bad rap the federal government gets for using this clause to justify a lot of its regulatory power, removing this would force busineses to have to navigate a patchwork of 50 different sets of regulations and even tarriffs to do business here. It enables a lot of economic activity that would be otherwise be isolated to individual states. This would be shooting ourselves in the foot economically.

9) Okay, but as long as it is replaced with something new. The easiest way would be to allow the gov to negotiate for drug prices by buying in bulk and to allow the importation of prescription drugs (like Canada). I'm really in favor of a parallel public/private system, but realize that the current system is a complete corporate bonanza. Scrapping these without an alternative would hurt too many people despite any economic good it does (which I don't really see).

10) A withdraw from the WTO, NAFTA, CAFTA, etc would have a major economic impact. Doing so may be to our economic advantage, but would also spark a global trade war. You would have to tread extremely carefully here, lest the consequences be too high a price. The UN....tell me how this is corporate welfare? Despite its shortcomings, the UN has provided a channel for unprecedented global dialogue which has done a damn good job of preventing large-scale war that we haven't seen since WWII. (although, it has sucked in preventing smaller-scale ones) Tell me again how this would reduce corporate welfare?

11) Unless you do #1 and #10 on your list, then the government will not be able to function. Sure, it did once upon a time, but the scope of what the people expect governments to be able to do in a modern society has greatly expanded. This would be unfeasable and amount to corp welfare for any corp that does not trade internationally.

12) I'll get behind this one. The WoD is a disaster. From a corporate welfare perspective, it is. Prozac cannot go up against pot, it will lose. :/

13) WTF? He can't function without Scalia's hand up his sockpuppet opening anyway. Besides, I'm sure you'd just love for BHO to pick 8/9 of the SCOTUS to send to the Senate. A better thing would be to ratify an amendment reversing the Citizens' United case and ending corporate personhood. That would go a long way to reducing corporate welfare.

14) FAIL....just....fail. That is a rather large list in and of itself that would not go far to reduce corporate welfare. Simply dismantling the institutions that government has will do nothing to reduce corporate welfare. Do they need reform? Almost certainly yes, but removing them would do much, much more to increase the power that corporations currently hold over our government.

WHARRRGARBL! What was the point of the OP anyway? After going through all the points it seems to me that it is simply a wish list of what the OP would like for a modern government to look like, only disguised under the veil of removing corporate welfare. It is a smoke screen for a neoliberterian agenda.

A420, I hope that I am wrong here. Such large-scale proposals (with corresponding large-scale effects) are difficult to discuss in terms of one goal and/or motivation. Each point you state should be (and probably has been at one point) the topic of a thread in and of itself.

 

[Tom]

We are unfunded and on the precipice of insolvency.

We are no longer the American Dream, but closer to the American Nightmare.

We are in the midst of almost 18 months of 9%+ unemployment. Government spending is out of control. The National Debt is out of control. etc.

The only reason any nation would follow our lead, is because it's easy, to defer responsibility.

-John

You could express the same pessimism in 1776, 1819, 1873, 1893, 1931, 1973..

Nations follow our lead because America, and the British empire before it, works.

We didn't get here because we're a nation of pussies, as long as scaredy cats don't get control of everything, all problems are solvable.