How would you feel if your child was gay

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Linflas

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Originally posted by: nemesismk2
Originally posted by: jonks
I'd take him to our priest, I'm sure he can straighten him out.

You do know that most priests are gay? ;)

Most implies at least 51% so do you have any hard statistics to back up that assertion or are you just pulling it out of your ass and tossing it out as "fact"?
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: nemesismk2
Originally posted by: jonks
I'd take him to our priest, I'm sure he can straighten him out.

You do know that most priests are gay? ;)

Most implies at least 51% so do you have any hard statistics to back up that assertion or are you just pulling it out of your ass and tossing it out as "fact"?
likely pulling it out of his ass. no pun intended.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: nemesismk2
Originally posted by: jonks
I'd take him to our priest, I'm sure he can straighten him out.

You do know that most priests are gay? ;)

Most implies at least 51% so do you have any hard statistics to back up that assertion or are you just pulling it out of your ass and tossing it out as "fact"?
likely pulling it out of his ass. no pun intended.

Speaking of puns, apparently everyone missed mine. Perhaps it's more of a double entendre.
 

GiggleGirl

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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: GiggleGirl
Originally posted by: destrekor
As in my last post, while I love blaming religion for most things wrong with society, I think this supersedes religion...
the idea of homosexuality only being socially wrong because of religion is, imho, bullshit.
The idea of life is that well... you make babies so that your lineage continues. Being gay means, well... no babies in your future. I doubt any society in history ever accepted full-on homosexuality, because that meant you no longer cared about the natural need to have children.
Again, in some societies, bi-sexuality seemed to be accepted, but I still don't know a lot of the reasoning. But even these people had wives and children, just had something else on the side...

being gay does not eliminate your ABILITY to produce children. your sexual organs dont just stop their normal functions because your brain tells you you love men. a gay man can have children with a woman, would he love her? probably not. would he enjoy having sex with her? probably not. hes still physical capable of reproducing and definitely could have the same mentality of WANTING children........ hes still human

I'll give you that, at least the idea that they are fully capable. I never argued they weren't, but a totally homosexual man is not even going to think about doing anything with a woman. If he does have a child, it might be from the marriage he had before he decided he was actually gay. I'd say good luck being a homosexual man in a relationship, and then finding a woman and having a child with her, all the while knowing you are gay and are NOT committed to a relationship. What woman is going to want to simply bear a child for a man and let him have the kid? Granted it can and probably has happened, but that's a terrible route. And if the guy lets the woman keep the child... what's the point? Most people don't think of having children like I do, where it's a function of preserving your family lineage and some of your genetics. And if they do think about the family lineage part, then why would he let go of said child? See... it's a tough situation that doesn't really work out at all.

Of course, he could have a child with a woman prior to deciding he's been lying to himself and is gay. And he can also decide that being gay isn't who he wants to be and decide to pursue an interest in women. However, both are far less common than a man being gay for life and never having a kid, or if having a kid is what he wants, then adopts... so that he and his 'partner' can raise the child together.

meh

im too tired to really reply right now but, your extremely strong desire to preserve lineage etc is kind of silly. because in the grande scheme of things, when the world ends, it is not going to matter if there is any human out there with traces of your bloodline. it just does not matter whatsoever.

in any case, there have been many situations where gay men and straight women would have children because being gay doesnt turn off the instinct of wanting to reproduce and all that garb.

i have more to say. again, im just too tired. :)
 

Nemesis 1

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Originally posted by: destrekor
Poll is WAY to simplistic.
And can't believe I'm gonna give in to your thread... but alas

I'll be honest in my post, but can't quite commit to pole options.

People who are gay, I say, oh well... let them be. I also think homosexuality might be something in their DNA. In history, there have been societies where bisexuality was common and almost normal. But in today, choosing to be full-on homosexual seems to go against logic in terms of nature, and society isn't exactly accepting, specifically not encouraging it (and while in some circles it is accepted, its not something accepted by the entirety of society...)... so going that route, especially since so many are curious at a very young age, and as they mature decide its their path, that just seems to be something in their physiology that steers them in that direction... and could be something in family blood, but with society not nearly as accepting in the past as they are today, previous members of that family line may have suppressed it or never questioned it due to logic prevailing.

Honestly, I don't really care if people choose that route, but I don't really approve of it.
But with other animals sometimes showing the same thing, where two males treat each other as lovers (not necessarily 'mating' though), helps prove the idea it might be a physiological issue, rooted in the genes and how they play into different chemical balances.

But, while I won't so much as abandon a child of mine if he/she chose to be gay, and I'd love them just the same, I'll be honest in saying that I'd very much likely attempt to produce another child of that sex, just so I can make sure the bloodline continued.

If it was a male child and they deemed themselves full-on homosexual with no interest in women, then I'd most definitely attempt to have another male child. Might be tough to hear something like that for some folks, but honestly, I very much subscribe to patriarchal beliefs, and will do everything in my power to make sure my family name and bloodline continues. And my being the only male child in my family makes me feel a little pressured as well, in the sense that if I die before I can have a male child, the name of my family stops, as my dad was also the only male child of my grandpa.
I take great pride in family, and fully believe in family first, above everything else.

Now, most of what I have said is really only in regards to males. With females, there is less of an issue in my mind, and no, it's not just because attractive lesbians can be quite a sight. lol But its because, well females don't really carry the pressure of preserving family names... though the bloodline they kind of do carry on with new family name. However, I too am not exactly approving of females being homosexual, for the same reason it's against the natural tendency, to you know... have kids.
Now while it's less of an issue in this day and age due to the population of humanity, it still is intriguing how people in modern society place emotions and other things ahead of instincts.

With that said, I don't, and won't ever, persecute someone for their sexuality, and I bet I've met many men and women who act normal and yet are gay. Now, the butch women and feminine men do kind of make me a little uncomfortable, but it's their life and I won't insult them or tell them how I feel. It's just a personal inner-belief that I don't let show itself, mainly because I know I'll probably have to work alongside someone who identifies as gay, and I don't go out of my way to upset/piss people off. I'm very well mannered and I either show respect or just don't interact with someone if I don't need to (that goes for everyone, not necessarily any specific type of person).

edit: woah that's quite the novel. :laugh:

Your good. very good.

 

Locut0s

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Nov 28, 2001
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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: shocksyde
This thread will be useful in determining who I dislike on this board.

Intolerance is probably my biggest pet peeve.

you are a dick. disliking people that don't like gay's. talk about intolerance! :beer:

I dislike you now. Thanks for playing bye.
 

LtPage1

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What is this approve/disapprove crap? Do you approve or disapprove of your child having brown hair? Or of your child's predisposition to reading instead of math? There are things you choose, and habits you decide to live with--and to "approve" or "disapprove" of everything else is just insane.

The good news for all the homophobes in here is that social equality is an inevitable ideal that society will continue to work towards. You can't stop it, just like you couldn't stop legal rights for Jews, voting rights for landless non-white women, abolition, or interracial marriage. Enjoy your perverse "Traditional Values" while you can. :)
 

rhino56

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i dont think children should partake in any kind of sexual acts gay or straight. as an adult it wouldnt matter much, what someone does in their bedroom should be kept in the bedroom. there is no such thing as gay people, just people. everyone has some kind of twisted sexual desires at some point in their life, mine just happen to be about women.



 

Locut0s

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Originally posted by: rhino56
i dont think children should partake in any kind of sexual acts gay or straight. as an adult it wouldnt matter much, what someone does in their bedroom should be kept in the bedroom. there is no such thing as gay people, just people. everyone has some kind of twisted sexual desires at some point in their life, mine just happen to be about women.

Incorrect. You say you are straight. Meaning if you are at all normal you liked girls from the time you were very young, probably 9 or 10 years old. No one is saying anything about sexual acts at the age, you were attracted to women from the moment you began to notice the real difference between the two just as any straight person would. Same is true of gay men/women only for the same sex.
 

shortylickens

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Jul 15, 2003
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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Originally posted by: Poulsonator
It's your child. Why would them being gay matter in the slightest bit?

I'm serious. For those who talk shit about throwing them out of the house (which is all talk, by the way), etc., why? You afraid of what others are gonna think?
It seems today that most parents are much more concerned about what strangers think of their kids than how their kids percieve themselves.

It's only become that way because we've changed through the course of hundreds of years to be almost polar opposites from what values we used to have. (This has NOTHING to do with religion, btw. one of the few things I won't blame on religion ;))

In history, most societies placed family up at the top of importance. Patriarchy and the family structure was important.

And whereas now society fears what there kids are doing and how others will perceive their kids and thus the family, it used to be kids were afraid of how society would perceive their family because of them. Kids didn't want to bring shame to the family, so they tried hard to do right by their family/social standards.

Kids these days seem to not give a shit about how they are viewed and thus how their parents are viewed. It's such bullshit and has been leading to major problems in youth across the country. And while pisspoor parenting is to blame, the kids' having no respect and reveling in rebellion is horrible. Because all the best parenting in the world can't stop a child from rebelling, his own mistakes will do him in and get him to change... or a removal of parenting and throwing their kids into some kind of obedience program, but that's not parenting, that's giving up and having others take care of your problems. But then again, what are you to do when your kids have absolutely no respect for family and beating them doesn't do anything but feed that rebel fire? And beating is going out the window too, what with all these kids threatening - and actually following through with - civil suits and whatnot for their parents punishing them with force. I for one argue we've grown way too soft, and I for one WILL spank my kids. Damn soft hippies.
Time outs do NOT work, especially since the kids will probably be able to talk themselves out of it after 5 minutes. :p

hmm, ranted a bit there.
Yes but your rant got me thinking a lot.
Went over to the library and got a book called "The self-esteem trap. Raising confident and compassionate kids in an age of self-importance."
I HIGHLY recommend this book.
 
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I'd tell him/her they can do whatever they want with their lives but try not to let too many people know about it because where I live, being gay pretty much means:

10 ridicule
20 hate
30 abuse
40 go to 10

Hell, that's what being gay pretty much does for you most places in the world. Maybe things will change in the next decade or so.
 

Oyeve

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My 14 year old son is gay. I kinda knew for the last 2 years. Wasnt interested in sports much, only football. He's a phenominal artist in all mediums. Hes not "Blue Oyster" or "pink flamingo" gay. Hes just gay. I accept it and even sked him myself to which he said yes. I told him I have no problem with and he said he knew that. He assumed I already thought he was gay which I did assume. I talked with him about it and how society may react to it. Then I gave him the whole sex talk, same sex talk I would give him even if he was not gay. Use a condom, all the standard stuff which holds true regardless of preference. I love him and his being gay has not nor will it affect our relationship.
 

Nemesis 1

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A friend of mine a racer. Well known, Caught his son in the act. Now I don't agree with what happened next but it was ugly. I felt really bad for him. Because his wife and father new. They didn't tell him . He was never around. chasing around the country his mod racer took all his time . I can relate. After he beat everybody up . HE went to his priest. It helped.

First thing he should have done is got clean first. Cocain . than dealwith it . Years ago when I was still racing I bitched all the time that drivers were cheating using cocain I was pissed. I could wipe his ass anytime till he started doing cocain . Than it changed.

Now that he is clean He is a loser again . But a winner in my books. Hell my son is almost as fast . probably faster. But I taught him and showed him the differance between going fast under control. ( Driving resposiable and respectiful of other drivers.) AND going fast out of control (Pure luck and lots of wrecks )

I am working hard to get the state to test these guys after a race. It looks like its going to finely happen . Lord be praised.

Point is he lost his son because he wasn't a father. All over racing and cocain . I weep for him but he did it to himself. These people are really nice but we all have are problems . its how ya deal with them . That says who u are.
 

KeithTalent

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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
A friend of mine a racer. Well known, Caught his son in the act. Now I don't agree with what happened next but it was ugly. I felt really bad for him. Because his wife and father new. They didn't tell him . He was never around. chasing around the country his mod racer took all his time . I can relate. After he beat everybody up . HE went to his priest. It helped.

First thing he should have done is got clean first. Cocain . than dealwith it . Years ago when I was still racing I bitched all the time that drivers were cheating using cocain I was pissed. I could wipe his ass anytime till he started doing cocain . Than it changed.

Now that he is clean He is a loser again . But a winner in my books. Hell my son is almost as fast . probably faster. But I taught him and showed him the differance between going fast under control. ( Driving resposiable and respectiful of other drivers.) AND going fast out of control (Pure luck and lots of wrecks )

I am working hard to get the state to test these guys after a race. It looks like its going to finely happen . Lord be praised.

Point is he lost his son because he wasn't a father. All over racing and cocain . I weep for him but he did it to himself. These people are really nice but we all have are problems . its how ya deal with them . That says who u are.

You lost me after "A friend of mine...". :confused:

KT
 

Nemesis 1

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What ya want details and video of what i softly touched on. not happening. I need the video to show state attorney of cocain abuse by a few drivers couldn't get them all but a got enough. The guy I speak of is helping . Change can be a good thing.

Any way drugs also lead to the problems were discussing. A drugger will do anything for a fix. ANYTHING. Thats unnatural gay.
 

Kirby

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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
What ya want details and video of what i softly touched on. not happening.

Sorry buddy, I don't want to see your first "experience".
 

TridenT

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I approve of gayness of my child and others. If it was my son, I'd prefer he was gay(No worries about knocking other girls up). I rather not have a daughter, that would just be weird.
 

CrazyLazy

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Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
I approve of gayness of my child and others. If it was my son, I'd prefer he was gay(No worries about knocking other girls up). I rather not have a daughter, that would just be weird.

yeah man...girls have cooties.
 

hanoverphist

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Dec 7, 2006
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Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
How do you feel about other people whom you don't know being gay?

as long as they arent trying to hit on me i dont really care.

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
How would you feel if your own child was gay?

accept but not understand or approve of (silently of course)


Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
Please vote in pollleee.

add better choices besides polar absolutes and i will.
 

KeithTalent

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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
What ya want details and video of what i softly touched on. not happening.

No, I just cannot decipher what you said. I guess I'll try reading it again.

KT
 

nakedfrog

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Apr 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
What ya want details and video of what i softly touched on. not happening.

No, I just cannot decipher what you said. I guess I'll try reading it again.

KT

I wouldn't worry about it, you got all you're going to get out of it.
 

child of wonder

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My 6 year old son is a very affectionate little guy. So much so that my mother in law went so far as to half question his sexuality when he was 4 years old which I took great offense to.

Personally, I don't care if my kids are gay so long as they're good people and happy.

If I had to pick my son's orientation I'd choose hetero and I have to admit if he came out as gay down the road, I'd have trouble with it at first. Ultimately, however, he's still my "little buddy" and he'll always make me proud.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
A friend of mine a racer. Well known, Caught his son in the act. Now I don't agree with what happened next but it was ugly. I felt really bad for him. Because his wife and father new. They didn't tell him . He was never around. chasing around the country his mod racer took all his time . I can relate. After he beat everybody up . HE went to his priest. It helped.

First thing he should have done is got clean first. Cocain . than dealwith it . Years ago when I was still racing I bitched all the time that drivers were cheating using cocain I was pissed. I could wipe his ass anytime till he started doing cocain . Than it changed.

Now that he is clean He is a loser again . But a winner in my books. Hell my son is almost as fast . probably faster. But I taught him and showed him the differance between going fast under control. ( Driving resposiable and respectiful of other drivers.) AND going fast out of control (Pure luck and lots of wrecks )

I am working hard to get the state to test these guys after a race. It looks like its going to finely happen . Lord be praised.

Point is he lost his son because he wasn't a father. All over racing and cocain . I weep for him but he did it to himself. These people are really nice but we all have are problems . its how ya deal with them . That says who u are.

you know, I can understand in certain situations...how....

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wait....

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huh?