Pr0d1gy
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Fallout: New Jerusalem?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAH, post of the day!
Fallout: New Jerusalem?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Even if I am an Israeli government critic, I have to somewhat disagree with you, airdata.They probably didn't think people would take them seriously trying to claim land designated from holy text which nobody can prove accurate.
If somebody tells you so and so was over there walking on water, 1 thing is cerrtain. They're full of shit.
An Israeli state really never should have been established. I'd say it's comparable to Michael Jackson creating never never land.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I'd tell them that there isn't any more Israel or Palestine. There is now only Israstine. Now make if fucking work already because you are not getting another penny in foreign aid or defense help if you can't.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Kuwait, Tunisia, and both Sudans divide the Palestinians amongst themselves and grant them citizenship.
Jerusalem is turned into an independent city state like the Vatican.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------There will never be a right to return. Except perhaps for one that allows for those alive in 48 to return.
I would give everyone effectively 67 borders but with israel taking jerusalem and a wide corridor to it. The arabs and palestinians have shown they don't deserve it. Sorry.
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In terms of saying the Palestinians simply don't deserve human right because of bad behavior, other may also say, since Israeli behavior post 1948 , that Israelis don't deserve anything either.
But still, this forum cannot control the international community, and if a mutually negotiated settlement between Israel and the Palestinian people is no longer possible, the world community may force binding third party arbitration to settle the issue. And it depends how far back such binding third party arbitrators wish. As the Israeli risk becomes, if they choose to go back to 5/1948 and Israel's original borders, such arbitrators could start at that population point. And say the Pals deserve 2/3 of 1948 Israel. While Israel retains 1/3 or 1948 Israel and has zero land claims in Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem, or the Golan heights. Which is actually better than the deal the former Apartheid Government of South Africa got.
But IMHO, The UN gave Israel a very strong message on 11/20/2011, in saying they will not tolerate Israel refusal to have a settlement freeze, nor will they tolerate Israel refusing to fairly settle with the Palestinian people. ( And yes we can expect EK, JediY, and other pro-Israel fan clubbers to instead blame the stalling on only the Palestinians. But if we look at the 11/29/2012 UN vote, only 9 out of 193 nations were willing to vote Israel's way. As at least 139 nations refused to believe in that Israeli propaganda anymore. )
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Third party arbitration being forced on a nuclear power by a bunch of countries who don't really care one way or another? yeah, sure.
Hopefully, though, the settlement building does stop.
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Screech, how is your prediction working out for the nuclear armed nation of Pakistan? And their lack of immunity despite having nukes? While USA chances of winning in Afghanistan is now in St. Jude territory due solely to USA foreign policy policy stupidity.
At this point in time, the EU is still reluctant to impose economic sanctions against Israel, but if Israeli does not get real, The rest of the world and the EU may indeed decide economic sanctions against Israel is the only way forward. As for the USA, many in the USA realize that our AIPAC support of Israel is a growing liability to US foreign policy.
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What an idiot you are in MHO, RightisWrong. As you blame only Iran for a problem that started in 1948. And continues to this day. Next you will tells us that Hamas in Gaza, which was a non-factor until 2005, is and was the root of all evil in ever since 1948.
And when Israeli bullshit got badly outvoted in the UN on 11/29/2012, it must be all Iran's fault. Or maybe its the fault of North Korea, or the Simians.
And when Israeli bullshit got badly outvoted in the UN on 11/29/2012, it must be all Iran's fault. Or maybe its the fault of North Korea, or the Simians.
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In terms of saying the Palestinians simply don't deserve human right because of bad behavior, other may also say, since Israeli behavior post 1948 , that Israelis don't deserve anything either.
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In terms of saying the Palestinians simply don't deserve human right because of bad behavior, other may also say, since Israeli behavior post 1948 , that Israelis don't deserve anything either.
You mean how Israel didn't start wars, but kicked the living shit out of the Arab countries attacking them? Hah.
The problem is that in 1948 the new state of Israel was created on land where other people lived. How would you feel if the UN decided that in the stretch of land where you live, another group of people could live and migrate there by the millions?
That is the basic problem. On the one hand it is just that the Jewish people should get a state of their own at last. But on the other hand it is unjust to those affected (the Arabs living in Palestine) because they got outvoted by people not having to deal with the consequences (i.e. the majority of the UN).
I wouldn't call all the violence down there terrorism or call the Palestinians evil - it's just the ongoing resistance ever since 1948 against a foreign occupation of their land. But, and that is important too, that occupation has been "legalized" so to speak by the majority of the UN. Question is - in what reality would ANYONE accept such a ruling? That should be considered when pointing fingers.
I wouldn't divide the state at all, doesn't work. I would force both parties to live in one single state and put a shitload of money into improving living conditions in the West Bank and Gaza and any underdeveloped region. Prosperity goes a long way to pacifying a populace. I would form a national council with equal votes for Jews and Arabs regardless of population size that can decide on the larger matters.
Oh, and station 500k UN troops down there to keep the peace. Shoot to kill, no lame bullshit. Goes for both sides.
And because money is such a good incentive:
If they don't cooperate, attack each other or the UN troops -> total blockade. No outside communication, no fancy ipads, no mcdonalds, no more aid. Squeeze them both until it really hurts, they will come to their senses. They won't learn otherwise.
- Some of the land assigned to Israel was owned (purchased) before the UN showed up. Some land that assigned initially to the Arabs was also owned by Jews.
- Remember, it was the Palestinians and Arabs that started the wars which have led to the Palestinians getting the shaft - first by the Arabs and then by Israel as a result of the Arab and Palestinian actions.
- Who knows how much more pressure it will take to cause the Palestinians to come to their senses. At present; they only start to wake up if Israel has the Palestinian's back against the ropes (militarily) or starts to expand settlements. their leadership does not care about other inconveniences.
If the UN votes on something like this and neglects Arab rights, they can surely "cancel" previous Jewish land ownership as well. You cannot have it both ways. Clean slate for both parties, so to speak.
The Palestinians were assigned land also. They and the Arabs rather than settling to the partition, decided that wanted it all. It was a chance that was taken, the lost the roll of the dice
What you simply call war I would call a resistance movement that escalated into a war. It's not like they just wanted to kill Jews, they wanted to kill the people who (by authority of the UN vote) took over their land. War, as bad as it is, can have legitimate reasons, and in my opinion, they had one. Cause and effect.they wanted it all and lsot the war. Then repeat and rinse
Why don't you include Israel in your call to come to their senses? Violence isn't helping changing anything. But taking even more land illegally by expanding settlements isn't either. Please at least try to be objective and not one-sided.
Israel is the one that is continually being attack by the Arabs and Palestinians. Every time a truce/peace has been requested, the Arabs/Palestinians find a way to agree for a few years and then start up attacking Israel. Up until a month ago; Israel was being attacked continually from Gaza and they also have Hezbollah on the north. It has taken the UN to stop attacks from Lebanon and only the last series of air attacks by Israel have caused Hamas to stop from Gaza. That stoppage was probably caused by the threat of ground forces staging to sweep into Gaza.
So while Israel may need to come to her senses; the Palestinians have been the one to continually attack Israel since '48
What do you expect from an oppressed people that basically lives in a crowded ghetto? Look at how small the Gaza strip is! Israel controls most of their borders, their tax payments, water, electricity, goods. I would rather be in prison than down there.
It's easy to judge from heated homes in safety and prosperity with freedom and no restrictions...