How would a vegeterian (against eating animals) react to this

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Atlantean
Being a vegetarian would be stupid. Unless you couldn't afford meat, then eat as much veggies as you want.

Explain how it's "stupid" please. A vegetarian who chooses his or her diet carefully to insure that they get enough protein and the various nutrients will be just as healthy as someone who eats a balanced diet including meat. Sure, there are morons who eat nothing but salad and wonder why they look like scarecrows, but that's a stupidity issue....not something inherent to being a vegetarian.

You still fart more so maybe it's more of an environmental issue.

I can't do it. I tried eating vegetarian for awhile, maybe 8 months, and I just couldn't do it any more. Even yesterday, I had a vegetarian lunch, and even though I had a ton of food (two large veggie burritos), I was still starving within two hours. Even a little bit of cooked flesh goes a long way to filling me up.

 

[Marshallj]

:beer:

 

[VBboy]

Thank you for defining the term "vegetarian" right in the topic :Q

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: jamerdean
NEW Information.

I teach Environmental Science on a High school level. and here are the facts. Please no flame on the infomation. this comes from the (several) Environmental science and Ecology text books that i teach out of and have took classes from.

This is to the question about the earth sustaining carnivores, omnivores, and herbivores (vegitarians)

You need them all. They keep balance. and btw, i eat lots of meat :evil:

every time you move up a level in the food chain (web) you will loose 90% of the energy/mass/nutrients available. for instance, it takes 1000 pounds of grass to support 100 grasshoppers or 10 cows or 1 human. only 10% of the energy is passed from one level to the next.

if you have a chain that is shorter, then it will support more life forms.

see example: 100000 plants -----> 10000 bugs ----->1000 chickens -----> 100 humans

verses

100000 plants ------->10000 humans this one supports more high level organisms

hope this helps
of course, it could completely waste your time and confuse the He(*) out of you, who knows

cheers
jamerdean

So what you're saying is that the nutritional and consumption mass requirements for 10000 humans is the same as 10000 "bugs?" I know what you're trying to say, you just didn't say it accurately.

 

[JediJorgie]

Originally posted by: LeeTJ

Originally posted by: JediJorgie
a good friend of mine is a veggie, and everytime my friends and i give him scenarios like this one, he makes up some excuse. he will never admit to being stuck.

what scenario is that jedijorgie?? the moronic one of the OP??

HAHAHAHA. he's speechless because you're soo stupid not because he's stuck.

hold on a sec, i have the utmost respect for my friend because of his belief in vegetarianism (sp?). we are both seniors in high school, and you can probably imagine how most high school students would be unforgiving in his harassment. but he has remained a firm believer, no matter what people tell him. i make fun of him sometimes, and occassionally i ask him questions similar to the first one, to see his reaction. he knows i'm kidding, and keeps up the banter with as many reasons as he can. so dont call me stupid.

 

[spanner]

You guys discredit SnoopCat so fast without a doubt because of the half true crap you learn in high school. Its probably not completely true but there is some merit to what he said. First of all humans can't eat grass, so its got to through the other animals before it gets to us. Are you suggesting we get rid of farm animals and just let the grass grow just to be cut down/burned etc. Second we can't digest the fiber, most other animals can!!! This could have an influence maybe? What about sea food? Are we gonna skip straight to algae? Lastly but most importantly we are a part of an extremely complex ecosystem, if everyone goes vegetarion then the ecosystem could collapse. I may be wrong but you guys could be too. Think about it! If you guys really want to save the world then stop driving those SUVs and go buy a hybrid. Being a vegetarian won't help, though it could make you healthier then most.

 

[spanner]

Unfortunately this thread got me to think on a friday night. My conclusion is that moving to a completely vegetarian diet is actually detremental to the diversity of animal life. I will try an explain my point. First of all plant life can only grow as fast as the rate of energy it recieves from the sun right? So going by the pyramid model, this means the base width of the pyramid is a constant right? Also humans are at the top of the food chain and we want things to stay that way right? So if everyone eats vegetables only then there is only one layer right i.e no other forms of life in between. But if there are more layers in between then there is more diversity in the types of life forms and since the base is always the same width and the pyramid is higher, this means the raw number of lifeforms supported is higher, but it also means fewer humans. In other words, more of a vegetarian diet is better for humans but more of a carnivorous diet is good for animal life. Kinda funny how things work out huh?

P.S feel free to comment, but try not to be rude, I mean I only just thought this up, I have no real backing i.e it is just a theory

 

[ShOcKwAvE827]

lol this thread reminds me of an MCAT passage I did. Isn't the world's biomass like 99% plant matter? Just a guess though. Also, I think plants are a little more renewable than cows, but that's just me.

 

[0roo0roo]

dude, u learn this in elementary school where they show you how the suns energy goes through the chain from plants to animals etc. or was that middle school, either way, pretty sad dude.

 

[Sid59]

interesting .. gotta remember this thread .. bookmarked

 

[EDiT]

Originally posted by: nirgis

Naturally grazing cows, yes, but nearly all cattle grown in the world...

LOL. Never seen cattle "grown" before. Would that be on a cattle tree?

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: EDiT

Originally posted by: nirgis

Naturally grazing cows, yes, but nearly all cattle grown in the world...

LOL. Never seen cattle "grown" before. Would that be on a cattle tree?

I have a veal tree in my back yard, it keeps me up at night.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: EDiT

Originally posted by: nirgis

Naturally grazing cows, yes, but nearly all cattle grown in the world...

LOL. Never seen cattle "grown" before. Would that be on a cattle tree?

Pee Wee Herman had a hot dog tree, so I guess it's possible...