How will a low-level Conroe compare to the P4 930?

[bluemax]

I can get a great deal on a Dell machine with a 930 processor NOW (and I need it - badly!) or I could hold out another 3+ weeks until Dell brings out new Conroe PC's.... possibly longer to Canada.

Will the difference be that noticable?

 

[Duvie]

Lets reasonably deduce this...A 930 would get beat buy a 3800+ X2 or 2ghz A64....That being said we know roughly the conroe is running about 20% faster clock for clock versus A64....Therefore I would say an E6300 at 1.86ghz would be faster then a 930 by about15-20% IMO.....

The E6400 represents a 15% increase over the E6300 so you start to get the picture...

I would wait...

I also find anything over 10% noticeable

 

[dexvx]

I highly doubt Dell will run Conroe deals soon. They will be even more interested in moving their P4 stock once Conroe debuts.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: dexvx
I highly doubt Dell will run Conroe deals soon. They will be even more interested in moving their P4 stock once Conroe debuts.

Yeah but he didn't say anything about "conroe deals".....If anything he may get that 930D for even cheaper but the conroes will be reasonable...

 

[twjr]

Once conroe comes out OEMs will probably sell there comps even cheaper than they are now, as they will want to get rid of the netbursts as quick as possible. though personally i wouldnt go for a dell anyway, especially a conroe. usually there is no possiblity of overclocking and as we have seen conroes are going to overclock well. so getting an oem comp is a waste of the conroes potential.

 

[Henny]

Not true.

Concroe comes in at the top and pushes Presslers and Pentium 4's into the mainstream. New Celerons become the value segment.

There will always be "good", "better", "best" marketing to serve various price points.

Joe 6 pack can't even spell netburst.

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Lets reasonably deduce this...A 930 would get beat buy a 3800+ X2 or 2ghz A64....

Dell doesn't sell A64's now do they? And the A64 combo still costs $150 more. AAand the 3800+ is only faster than the 930 in games - everything else is pretty much equal.
Bearing THAT in mind, the performance difference is appearing to be quite minimal, and I should probably jump on an amazing offer if it comes my way - which it has.

$375 Canadian for a 5150 with 19" LCD is nothing to sneeze at, though at that price it's only the 820 processor. (I earned a nifty Dell coupon worth $400 and found a nice Dell.ca deal. The two deals make for a very tempting offer and I need a new PC badly!!)

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: bluemax

Originally posted by: Duvie
Lets reasonably deduce this...A 930 would get beat buy a 3800+ X2 or 2ghz A64....

Dell doesn't sell A64's now do they? And the A64 combo still costs $150 more. AAand the 3800+ is only faster than the 930 in games - everything else is pretty much equal.
Bearing THAT in mind, the performance difference is appearing to be quite minimal, and I should probably jump on an amazing offer if it comes my way - which it has.

$375 Canadian for a 5150 with 19" LCD is nothing to sneeze at, though at that price it's only the 820 processor. (I earned a nifty Dell coupon worth $400 and found a nice Dell.ca deal. The two deals make for a very tempting offer and I need a new PC badly!!)

According to this site....

It looks like the 3800+ wins at a bit more then just games...

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/pentium-xe-965/index.x?pg=7

I see 10%, 7% and ~30%

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/pentium-xe-965/index.x?pg=8

I see ~20%, ~5% and 10%

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/pentium-xe-965/index.x?pg=11

I see ~20% in cinebench

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/pentium-xe-965/index.x?pg=12

I see 30% in Povray, 7% in 3dsmax, and ~40% in mental ray renderer...

With games included that is an all-around beating....

 

[o1die]

The dell deal is tempting, but it's difficult to upgrade. You can't use a high performance video card with a dell power supply, so be sure you're happy with the one that comes with the system before ordering. Most dell power supplies have about 350 watts, which is below spec for some video cards. Many require about 400 watts minimum. But if you don't need a gaming pc, the dell system should be ok.

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: Duvie
It looks like the 3800+ wins at a bit more then just games...

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/pentium-xe-965/index.x?pg=7

Funny how you ignore the benches where the 930 BEATS the 3800+, but there aren't many.
(and yes, I'm reading the graphs right - lower/higher = better, etc.) And a lot of the benches are far LESS than 10% difference. Only a few are significant in change.

And it's a moot point unless you're gonna' ship me one in the mail, au gratis. (No, no cheese.)

For this application it's Dell ONLY. So forget the 3800+... it's not happening. And for the steal I'm getting it for, the 930 processor does pretty darned well for a LOT less money than a comparable 3800+ setup (if it were possible, which it is not.)

I know what you think of Tom's hardware, but the CPU comparison utility put the 930 and 3800+ just about equal in everything but games. Some games were better, most were slower. Considering the price break I'm getting - I CAN LIVE WITH THAT.

 

[Furen]

Originally posted by: bluemax

Originally posted by: Duvie
It looks like the 3800+ wins at a bit more then just games...

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/pentium-xe-965/index.x?pg=7

Funny how you ignore the benches where the 930 BEATS the 3800+, but there aren't many.
(and yes, I'm reading the graphs right - lower/higher = better, etc.) And a lot of the benches are far LESS than 10% difference. Only a few are significant in change.

And it's a moot point unless you're gonna' ship me one in the mail, au gratis. (No, no cheese.)

For this application it's Dell ONLY. So forget the 3800+... it's not happening. And for the steal I'm getting it for, the 930 processor does pretty darned well for a LOT less money than a comparable 3800+ setup (if it were possible, which it is not.)

I know what you think of Tom's hardware, but the CPU comparison utility put the 930 and 3800+ just about equal in everything but games. Some games were better, most were slower. Considering the price break I'm getting - I CAN LIVE WITH THAT.

Wow, it'd be useful if you actually read his post properly before flaming him for mentioning an X2 3800+...

He used the X2 3800+ as a point of reference since both the 930 and Conroe E6300 have been compared to it. If Conroe is 20% faster per clock than an X2 then the E6300 could be considered the equivalent of a ~2.2GHz X2 (a bit more but close enough). Since the 930 IS ~10% slower than an X2 3800+, and the Conroe E6300 is about 10% faster than this last one, then the E6300 is about 20% (ok, 21%!) faster than a 930... Sounds pretty logical to me, though I think he was a bit conservative in his calculations, I'd say 20-30% rather than 15-20%.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: bluemax
I can get a great deal on a Dell machine with a 930 processor NOW (and I need it - badly!) or I could hold out another 3+ weeks until Dell brings out new Conroe PC's.... possibly longer to Canada.

Will the difference be that noticable?

Just get a Conroe already. Preslers and Smithfields are yawners now unless you want a chip for less than the cost of an E6300.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

get now.
but depends on what you gonna do ?
if you playing games might as well save the processor and get a better video card.

 

[akshayt]

X2 3800>D 930
As for gaming even Amd 64 3200>=D930

X2 3800>D930

I would say that a conroe will be like even 50% or so faster than D930/920 in gaming, have seen benchies, behardware.com

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: Furen
He used the X2 3800+ as a point of reference since both the 930 and Conroe E6300 have been compared to it. If Conroe is 20% faster per clock than an X2 then the E6300 could be considered the equivalent of a ~2.2GHz X2 (a bit more but close enough). Since the 930 IS ~10% slower than an X2 3800+, and the Conroe E6300 is about 10% faster than this last one, then the E6300 is about 20% (ok, 21%!) faster than a 930... Sounds pretty logical to me, though I think he was a bit conservative in his calculations, I'd say 20-30% rather than 15-20%.

That's a good point, actually. It's gonna' be hard to hold out another 3-4 weeks... I don't have much time to spare, but it may be worth it in the long run. I really hope Dell Canada doesn't get shafted when it comes to the Conroe launch. Americans always get first dibs. :|