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[CaptnKirk]

US Troops Make Lasting Impression in Iraq

Are we really involved in this activity ? What kind of leadership does this country have in place
that would even remotely allow this to happen.

We, ourselves are turning into our own worst enemy.
Pogo was right

 

[Darkhawk28]

Sounds like Negroponte deathsquads. Did the same sh*t in the 80's. Whether the culprits were American or not, contractors or not, one thing I know for sure is Negroponte is involved in some way.

 

[arsbanned]

Next time we get hit, it'll be, "why do they do this to us? why why why?"
Pay attention. Nobody should wonder why next time.

 

[lozina]

Wow... this report was submitted by Iraqi police officers including a colonel and an Iraqi police commander confirmed that the bodies had been handcuffed and shot in the head.

Military has got some explaining to do.

 

[SokaMoka]

OMG!!
Way to win their hearts and minds.
We don't practice what we preach it's as simple as that, we have become what we fear, kind of pathetic,

for the victims.

 

[Meuge]

"The American forces gathered the family members in one room and executed 11 persons, including five children, four women and two men," the report said. "Then they bombed the house, burned three vehicles and killed their animals."

I was ready to believe the story until I read this.

 

[Commish]

Originally posted by: Meuge

"The American forces gathered the family members in one room and executed 11 persons, including five children, four women and two men," the report said. "Then they bombed the house, burned three vehicles and killed their animals."

I was ready to believe the story until I read this.

And this...

A U.S. military spokesman, Maj. Tim Keefe, said that the U.S. military has no information to support the allegations.
"We're concerned to hear accusations like that, but it's also highly unlikely that they're true," he said. He said U.S. forces "take every precaution to keep civilians out of harms' way."
Accusations that U.S. troops have killed civilians are commonplace in Iraq; most are judged later to be unfounded or exaggerated.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Commish

Originally posted by: Meuge

"The American forces gathered the family members in one room and executed 11 persons, including five children, four women and two men," the report said. "Then they bombed the house, burned three vehicles and killed their animals."

I was ready to believe the story until I read this.

And this...

A U.S. military spokesman, Maj. Tim Keefe, said that the U.S. military has no information to support the allegations.
"We're concerned to hear accusations like that, but it's also highly unlikely that they're true," he said. He said U.S. forces "take every precaution to keep civilians out of harms' way."
Accusations that U.S. troops have killed civilians are commonplace in Iraq; most are judged later to be unfounded or exaggerated.

Yeah, because there is no conflict of interest there, right? It's no like the mulitary are the ones being accused of- oh wait...

On the other hand, what could the iraqi commander and colonel gain out of fabricating such a report? are they working on a book deal? They are putting their jobs on the line here and wouldn't gain anything out of it

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Meuge

"The American forces gathered the family members in one room and executed 11 persons, including five children, four women and two men," the report said. "Then they bombed the house, burned three vehicles and killed their animals."

I was ready to believe the story until I read this.

I watched a documentry to do with the war in Iraq. While the camera crew is focused on the leader of the group, one of his men shoots some Iraq's guys dog. The camera turns and we see the shooter and the dog probably 50 feet away from him, the soldiers all realize the dumbass just got caught and don't want to be on camera anymore. The shooter tries to explain the dog probably had rabies and was going to attack him. The Iraqi guy walks over crying and picks up his dog and walks away

edit- Found the doc- Frontline: A Company of Soldiers
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Regarding the dog that was shot: Did I miss something because I didn't notice any aggression from those dogs. Watching the reaction from the Iraqi who approached that dog after it was shot was .... profound.
The doctor said the dog was going to attack him but the view of the team who witnessed the shooting was that it clearly wasn't.

The army has also started to notice the way they have been handling checkpoints has not been effective

U.S. soldiers have killed and injured many hundreds of Iraqi civilians who unwittingly drove too close to convoys or checkpoints and triggered a reaction in gunners who considered them a threat, according to military statistics provided this week.

Commanders want those shootings reduced, saying they create hatred of the U.S., revenge and more insurgents.

Multi-National Corps ? Iraq officials said there was no way to count exactly how many Iraqi civilians have been killed and injured in ?escalation of force? (EOF) incidents over the past three years because they were not previously tracked.

But for the past eight weeks, MNCI has compiled the number of incidents throughout Iraq. These include cases in which no shots are fired but Iraqi drivers are perceived as a threat and lower escalation of force measures were taken.

All such incidents averaged about 10 each day. Of those, they said, about 5 percent resulted in an Iraqi civilian?s death. Eleven percent resulted in an Iraqi injury.

That works out to more than 600 incidents in the past eight weeks, with more than 30 deaths and more than 60 injuries. More than 70 percent of the incidents occurred during the daytime.

Lt. Col. Michelle Martin-Hing, spokesman for the MNCI, said officials believed the number of EOF incidents may have been more frequent in previous periods, although the tracking and statistics were not thought to be reliable.

Based on the eight weeks of incidents, Martin-Hing agreed, it could be well over a thousand killed and injured in such incidents since 2003.

U.S. seeks to reduce civilian deaths at Iraq checkpoints

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

I have a hard time believing that they put a bullet in the head of an old woman and a 6 month old baby.

Do you guys seriously believe that the military executed a baby? I'm sure they've done some bad things over there... but that seems over the top.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I have a hard time believing that they put a bullet in the head of an old woman and a 6 month old baby.

Do you guys seriously believe that the military executed a baby? I'm sure they've done some bad things over there... but that seems over the top.

It's not over the top for Negroponte.

 

[1prophet]

Whether this is true or not only time will tell, hopefully it is not.

For those that can't imagine us doing something like that here is a link that shows otherwise:My_Lai_massacre NSFW :Note: this wasn't done by some misdirected bomb dropped in error from a few thousand feet away

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I have a hard time believing that they put a bullet in the head of an old woman and a 6 month old baby.

Do you guys seriously believe that the military executed a baby? I'm sure they've done some bad things over there... but that seems over the top.

A September 1967 incident in which an American sergeant killed two Vietnamese children -- executing one at point blank range with a bullet to the head. Tried by general court martial in 1970, the sergeant pleaded guilty to, and was found guilty of, unpremeditated murder. He was, however, sentenced to no punishment.

The Vietnam War Crimes You Never Heard Of



This is part of the reason most war vets chant * Never again* , they know the horrors that happen

 

[CaptnKirk]

One reason for the loss of life from the indigenous popularion: Dead people can't point offenders out to juries or lawyers in a courtroom.

Many prisoners disposed of to satisy that statement, it's as old as history itself, "Dead men tell no tales".