My friend thought of that: Have you ever filmed an infrared source? It shows up in a video but you can't see it(in real life). Why can't they just "spread" infrared light in the theater so that you can't see jack-sh!t if you try to record it?
How to prevent CAM recordings in a theater
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I just thought about that cuz we had a discussion about those infamous "orange spots" we can see from time to time in the theater and they're supposedly to prevent such recordings.
I don't think the movie threaters really care that much about CAMS because the quality is so bad the poeple who watch them most be so cheap that if they didn't have a CAM they just download something else instead of going to the movies.
Yeah, I dont think the theatre's care enough to put that stuff in, just the MPAA. They are the ones that put the bounty out on people who are recording.
the theatres do care apparently because my local theatres are taking measures. halfway through films, some dude does a five minute walkaround (quite annoying I might add) paying close attention to the audience. Also, some theatres are providing projectionists with night vision goggles.
I think the use of IR is interesting. I wasn't aware vidcams picked it up.
I think the use of IR is interesting. I wasn't aware vidcams picked it up.
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Best way to copy film is to get it directly off the tape reel, of course to do that, you have to know some people, as well as be able to sinc the audio with the video, as it is usually on a seperate disc from the film.
Actually I prefer DVD-Rips to Telecines or was it Telesyncs? I always confuse those too
Telescines are of the reel, right?Telesyncs have always been good for me. One of my friends managed to get one of one of the LOTR movies before it came out and I was just amazed. How exactly do you go through the process? It has to take some time...
Originally posted by: ndee
Actually I prefer DVD-Rips to Telecines or was it Telesyncs? I always confuse those too
Telesyncs and I think that's what they are.
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I've never seen anything like that before. I'm gonna ask the guys around work if those are on any of the cameras we use.
ViRGE
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The definitive pirates guide:Originally posted by: wkabel23
Originally posted by: ndee
Actually I prefer DVD-Rips to Telecines or was it Telesyncs? I always confuse those too
Telesyncs and I think that's what they are.
Cam: A camcorder recording of a movie; looks like crap and sounds like it too.
Telesync: A camcorder recording again, but the audio is a direct feed, and the camera is usually in the projectionist's booth, free from odd angles and interuption.
Telecine: The movie reel is taken and run through a specialized machine so that it can be recorded as another source(digital video usually). Think copy of a VHS tape, but normally slightly worse.
DVD Screener: Often a Telecine done by the sudio to be distributed to the academy. It's already in a DVD format, making it good for distribution, but since it's not retail, quality is lacking.
DVD-Rip: A copy made directly from a retail DVD; reference quality.
Actually that's a UV filter. IR filters are
slightly more expensive
Edit: and not 100% effecient, it might be worth noting.
purbeast0
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Originally posted by: ViRGE
The definitive pirates guide:Originally posted by: wkabel23
Originally posted by: ndee
Actually I prefer DVD-Rips to Telecines or was it Telesyncs? I always confuse those too
Telesyncs and I think that's what they are.
Cam: A camcorder recording of a movie; looks like crap and sounds like it too.
Telesync: A camcorder recording again, but the audio is a direct feed, and the camera is usually in the projectionist's booth, free from odd angles and interuption.
Telecine: The movie reel is taken and run through a specialized machine so that it can be recorded as another source(digital video usually). Think copy of a VHS tape, but normally slightly worse.
DVD Screener: Often a Telecine done by the sudio to be distributed to the academy. It's already in a DVD format, making it good for distribution, but since it's not retail, quality is lacking.
DVD-Rip: A copy made directly from a retail DVD; reference quality.
your dvd screener explanation is wrong.
Yes there is a solution on the way I assure you.
LOL at the EMP idea! Talk about killing two birds with one stone: cellphones!
Cheers!
LOL at the EMP idea! Talk about killing two birds with one stone: cellphones!
Cheers!
Here is the offical word on the different recordings: Sorry about the length!
///CAM\\\
- A cam is usually a handheld camera snuck into a full theater. The base is shaky, the audio is poor, you can hear people laughing and talking. A cam is distinguishable by usually having a combination of all three or more of these flaws. Another common cam flaw is that the screen is at an awkward angle, and a lot of various parts of the screen cut off. Sometimes black bars will be added to make cams look like telesyncs or screeners, or to make them appear widescreen. In most circumstances, it actually cuts off more of the movie by doing so. Most sites nuke cams for their general poor quality.
///Workprint\\\
- An early release of a movie. These are usually stolen or leaked copies of movies that have made their way onto VCD from VHS or a variety of other sources. These will usually contain running time codes as well as other identifying marks used in movie production, although in some cases these are not there. These also might not be the final copy of the movie, resulting in some scenes not there, and some scenes added. The quality on these can vary from bad to very good depending on the quality of the source material used to encode the VCD. Audio tends to be better then the video, for the video sometimes isn?t complete. Note: This category is also used for very bad screeners or copies of movies that just didn't fit into any of the other categories due to defects or problems with the quality of the VCD's audio/video image.
///Telesync\\\
- A "professional" Cam. A steady base such as a tripod is used. it is done with a 1-3' tripod that they take with a camera in a bag (backpack), they set up the tripod in the seat with the camera on top, then for safety, some put a hat or coat over the camera (not blocking the lens) to hide it. They usually adjust their camera at this point to get a nice full screen, with about 10-20 percent of the edges cut off, which is usually not that noticeable except when beginning credits are cut off. Sometimes a widescreen telesync comes along, but has crooked edges. To fix this, sometimes straight borders are added. The theater is empty or very close to empty, and the audio and video are up to par. The audio is SOMETIMES ripped with the movie, from either just the camera being there (bad audio, gets complaints) or from the handicap headphone audio jacks. Sometimes, after the movie is ripped, or as it is ripping, a device such as an electronic recorder, will be attached to the handicap headphone jacks and recorded as the camera is set up at a more proper angle (the headphone jacks are usually on the wall, which would make it difficult to get a good angle). If the audio is ripped separately, it is added in sync with the video once on the computer. The end result, a descent to good picture with good audio, very good (if ripped properly, other times, it can be hollow). Although, you can usually detect some flaw with a TS. You may see a random head pop up, the screen edges are noticeable, or the audio isn't always crystal clear. While not perfect, the quality in general of a telesync ranges from good to very good and is usually the first type of VCD made of a new movie.
///Telecine\\\
- A great rip of a movie. Done a number of ways, all from taking directly from the reel. Ripped in either widescreen (letterbox) or in full-screen (pan and scan) with excellent audio and video. The most common way is to get a device that you attach to the reel that generates a VHS tape of the reel. (called a telecine machine, but there are other machines that generate a digital output of both audio and video that are then put into a laptop or VCR and made into a VCD). The direct-from-reel process makes a brilliant rip. Telecine movies are mostly released as screeners, but the quality is usually a lot better then the common screener. The color is more vivid and audio should be (like most screeners) stereo surround. Good telecines (as telecines in general) are hard to find, but are becoming more common.
///Screeners\\\
- These are the top quality VCDs (except in the release of a good telecine, which is released as a screener anyway). They can be in either widescreen (letterbox) or in full-screen (pan and scan) with excellent audio and video, as a telecine. Unlike a teleicne, one that is full screen will NOT have the edges cut off... it will be, as the movies say, "formatted to fit the screen". These are made from video distributors demo tapes, reviewers copies, insider copies of the film or from any number of sources (Video Stores, Malls, Hotels). Most screeners will contain "1-800-NO-COPIES" or "Property of.." messages somewhere in the film, but it's not a requirement to fit into the screener category. Actually, copyright messages are becoming less popular all the time. These most closely resemble a VHS or LaserDisc copy of the movie. They're easily identifiable by their top quality. Lots of TC, or TeliCine movies are released as Screeners. Movie production studios will often release screeners for promotional purposes. These promotional screeners will be distributed to different organizations to hype up the film. They are also sometimes sent to video stores a few months before the movie releases on video to hype up the video. Hotels frequently receive screeners to sell the movie to their customer's rooms directly. Some people leak screeners to release groups.
///DVD Rip\\\
- Using DVD-ROMS, and ripping software, takes the best quality movie you can get. Widescreen, awesome. Best video, usually awesome audio, sometimes not so good audio (it is lower) but "re-doing" the audio by re-encoding with TMPG Encoder with the Audio Effect filter on. The audio is great, stereo, but just the volume is a problem, which, in the way that I mentioned, and be fixed. The only disadvantage is that you have to wait for the movie to come out on video\DVD (or a month away, but very close to its official video release) so you can't get theater movies. For some people in other countries, however, the movie does not come out in the theater for them until over here it is already out on DVD, so they can get DVD rips of theater movies.
Original VCD rip ? These rips are equal to DVD rips, sometimes better actually. Obviously, a DVD will be better then an original DVD, but when ?ripping? a DVD, if the encoding is not done properly, or even good, but not GREAT, the quality of an original VCD rip passes it up. An original silver VCD is taken, and just made into a .bin and .cue directly, with virtually no loss in quality. Although these are usually the most crisp looking releases on side DVD rips, they are not that common, and as DVD rips, you have to wait until the movie is available on video, or close to the release date.
///CAM\\\
- A cam is usually a handheld camera snuck into a full theater. The base is shaky, the audio is poor, you can hear people laughing and talking. A cam is distinguishable by usually having a combination of all three or more of these flaws. Another common cam flaw is that the screen is at an awkward angle, and a lot of various parts of the screen cut off. Sometimes black bars will be added to make cams look like telesyncs or screeners, or to make them appear widescreen. In most circumstances, it actually cuts off more of the movie by doing so. Most sites nuke cams for their general poor quality.
///Workprint\\\
- An early release of a movie. These are usually stolen or leaked copies of movies that have made their way onto VCD from VHS or a variety of other sources. These will usually contain running time codes as well as other identifying marks used in movie production, although in some cases these are not there. These also might not be the final copy of the movie, resulting in some scenes not there, and some scenes added. The quality on these can vary from bad to very good depending on the quality of the source material used to encode the VCD. Audio tends to be better then the video, for the video sometimes isn?t complete. Note: This category is also used for very bad screeners or copies of movies that just didn't fit into any of the other categories due to defects or problems with the quality of the VCD's audio/video image.
///Telesync\\\
- A "professional" Cam. A steady base such as a tripod is used. it is done with a 1-3' tripod that they take with a camera in a bag (backpack), they set up the tripod in the seat with the camera on top, then for safety, some put a hat or coat over the camera (not blocking the lens) to hide it. They usually adjust their camera at this point to get a nice full screen, with about 10-20 percent of the edges cut off, which is usually not that noticeable except when beginning credits are cut off. Sometimes a widescreen telesync comes along, but has crooked edges. To fix this, sometimes straight borders are added. The theater is empty or very close to empty, and the audio and video are up to par. The audio is SOMETIMES ripped with the movie, from either just the camera being there (bad audio, gets complaints) or from the handicap headphone audio jacks. Sometimes, after the movie is ripped, or as it is ripping, a device such as an electronic recorder, will be attached to the handicap headphone jacks and recorded as the camera is set up at a more proper angle (the headphone jacks are usually on the wall, which would make it difficult to get a good angle). If the audio is ripped separately, it is added in sync with the video once on the computer. The end result, a descent to good picture with good audio, very good (if ripped properly, other times, it can be hollow). Although, you can usually detect some flaw with a TS. You may see a random head pop up, the screen edges are noticeable, or the audio isn't always crystal clear. While not perfect, the quality in general of a telesync ranges from good to very good and is usually the first type of VCD made of a new movie.
///Telecine\\\
- A great rip of a movie. Done a number of ways, all from taking directly from the reel. Ripped in either widescreen (letterbox) or in full-screen (pan and scan) with excellent audio and video. The most common way is to get a device that you attach to the reel that generates a VHS tape of the reel. (called a telecine machine, but there are other machines that generate a digital output of both audio and video that are then put into a laptop or VCR and made into a VCD). The direct-from-reel process makes a brilliant rip. Telecine movies are mostly released as screeners, but the quality is usually a lot better then the common screener. The color is more vivid and audio should be (like most screeners) stereo surround. Good telecines (as telecines in general) are hard to find, but are becoming more common.
///Screeners\\\
- These are the top quality VCDs (except in the release of a good telecine, which is released as a screener anyway). They can be in either widescreen (letterbox) or in full-screen (pan and scan) with excellent audio and video, as a telecine. Unlike a teleicne, one that is full screen will NOT have the edges cut off... it will be, as the movies say, "formatted to fit the screen". These are made from video distributors demo tapes, reviewers copies, insider copies of the film or from any number of sources (Video Stores, Malls, Hotels). Most screeners will contain "1-800-NO-COPIES" or "Property of.." messages somewhere in the film, but it's not a requirement to fit into the screener category. Actually, copyright messages are becoming less popular all the time. These most closely resemble a VHS or LaserDisc copy of the movie. They're easily identifiable by their top quality. Lots of TC, or TeliCine movies are released as Screeners. Movie production studios will often release screeners for promotional purposes. These promotional screeners will be distributed to different organizations to hype up the film. They are also sometimes sent to video stores a few months before the movie releases on video to hype up the video. Hotels frequently receive screeners to sell the movie to their customer's rooms directly. Some people leak screeners to release groups.
///DVD Rip\\\
- Using DVD-ROMS, and ripping software, takes the best quality movie you can get. Widescreen, awesome. Best video, usually awesome audio, sometimes not so good audio (it is lower) but "re-doing" the audio by re-encoding with TMPG Encoder with the Audio Effect filter on. The audio is great, stereo, but just the volume is a problem, which, in the way that I mentioned, and be fixed. The only disadvantage is that you have to wait for the movie to come out on video\DVD (or a month away, but very close to its official video release) so you can't get theater movies. For some people in other countries, however, the movie does not come out in the theater for them until over here it is already out on DVD, so they can get DVD rips of theater movies.
Original VCD rip ? These rips are equal to DVD rips, sometimes better actually. Obviously, a DVD will be better then an original DVD, but when ?ripping? a DVD, if the encoding is not done properly, or even good, but not GREAT, the quality of an original VCD rip passes it up. An original silver VCD is taken, and just made into a .bin and .cue directly, with virtually no loss in quality. Although these are usually the most crisp looking releases on side DVD rips, they are not that common, and as DVD rips, you have to wait until the movie is available on video, or close to the release date.
Film is "watermarked" with a yellow dot appearing somewhere in a frame (and occurs several times within a reel). Position and frame is varied for each reel, so that if someone copies a movie, the studio(?) can track down chain of custody of that reel and figure out whodunit (hypothesis 1) or in the case of "cam" can alert specific theaters with lax security to "fix" their problem (hypothesis 2)
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