How to prepare for ex-President Trump

Viper1j

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This is is excluding the worldwide celebrations and parties.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/30/opin...ex-president-trump-opinion-geltzer/index.html

Someday, Donald Trump will become ex-President Trump. After a guilty plea from his longtime "fixer," Michael Cohen, alleging that Trump directed the commission of federal crimes, perhaps that day will arrive sooner rather than later. But whether it's a week, 18 months or more than six years away, we need to start preparing now. That's because, for all of the threat to our democracy Trump poses as president, he may pose an even bigger one as an ex-president.

No one knows how Trump will leave the Oval Office. Maybe he'll resign. Maybe he'll be impeached. Maybe he'll be voted out in November 2020 -- or maybe he'll leave at the end of two terms in January 2025.
But, however he becomes an ex-president, it's impossible to imagine Trump following in Richard Nixon's post-presidency footsteps -- ones that literally traversed empty beaches in a solitary existence. Whether Trump leaves of his own accord after eight years or is abruptly cast out by a vote of the Senate or Electoral College, he is not one to go quietly into the night.

Remember: This is the only presidential candidate in recent memory who refused, even when he appeared to be on the brink of losing the election, to commit to accepting the outcome of the vote. In a career that's careened from real estate to reality TV to politics, there's been one constant: a thirst for more attention.
So imagine ex-President Trump tweeting out real-time commentary on every move his successor makes. Imagine him continuing to fire up crowds at the campaign-style rallies he hasn't stopped doing even as a sitting president. Imagine him starting his own news media empire -- just as he apparently planned to do if he lost in 2016. He will be loud.

And he will be dangerous. Already, Trump is casting doubt on the validity of the upcoming midterm elections, suggesting that Moscow is intervening to favor the Democrats and predicting violence if Democrats reverse Republican gains. Already, Trump is indulging the voices of white supremacism and paranoia, finding moral equivalence "on both sides" in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017, and criticizing tech companies for removing the hate-filled conspiracy theories of Alex Jones and his Infowars. Already, Trump is baselessly attacking other presidents, accusing Barack Obama of surveilling him and planting a spy in his campaign.

Now imagine what Trump will be without White House advisers surrounding him and at least trying to rein him in. Imagine how he might cast doubt on election results, especially ones that have landed him out of office. Imagine how he might seek to rally support wherever he can find it, even among the most extreme voices in our society. Imagine what he might accuse a successor of doing -- especially one who's just beaten him -- given what Trump has said about a predecessor against whom he didn't even run and who went out of his way to be cordial in the transition between them.

And think about Trump's supporters. For many who felt that they didn't have a voice in Washington, Trump was, at last, that voice. They won't want that voice to go silent. That's particularly true if they feel that, just as Trump told them, the system proves "rigged." They'll surely feel that way if Trump's impeached or effectively forced to resign. But, even if he's voted out -- or even if he serves for eight years but claims to have been hamstrung for much of it by a purported "witch hunt" led by special counsel Robert Mueller -- Trump's supporters will feel that they and he never really got a fair shake. And, as he always does, Trump will indulge that view -- indeed, he'll stoke it.

Our nation's thought leaders need to develop and agree to principles now to mitigate the looming threat posed by ex-President Trump. One might apply to the next president, whether Democratic or Republican: Simply do not engage with ex-President Trump, no matter how vicious his attacks become; isolate him by ignoring him.

Another might govern both sides of the aisle in Congress: Speak up loudly for the norm of ex-presidents treating their successors -- and the office itself -- with respect, even if they disagree with particular policies. And a third might guide the media: Make a pact (whether or not the likes of Breitbart and Fox News agree to it) not to give ex-President Trump more than perfunctory coverage, whatever invective he hurls and however the public remains fascinated by his norm-shattering behavior.

From the White House to the Capitol to the media, the dangers posed by ex-President Trump put a premium on electing leaders and supporting commentators who can make a compelling -- even passionate -- case for why fundamental norms of American governance and political dialogue need to be restored and protected.

There will, of course, be more to Trump's post-presidency than the man himself: He has introduced ideas that will not simply vanish when he leaves the White House. Some of those ideas concern how presidents (and even presidential candidates) communicate, such as by interrupting and talking over debate opponents as well as by using language -- like Trump's reference to "s**thole countries" -- previously unacceptable in mainstream politics or even society.

Some of those ideas relate to particular policies, from Trump's brand of economic nationalism to his insistence that immigration is predominantly a liability for the United States, its security and its identity. No matter how Trump leaves office, those ideas have now been normalized in ways that defy instant reversal. They will need to be addressed by deliberate norm-restoring behavior by future presidents and by the articulation of superior policies by politicians able to make those policies resonate with the public.

Whatever traction Trump's ideas have, Trump himself will surely cling to the spotlight -- if he can. We were, as a nation, largely blindsided by the assault on longstanding norms that Trump has personified. That's allowed a lot of damage to be done that we'll spend decades repairing. We can't afford to be blindsided, yet again, by the potential for ex-President Trump to shatter more norms and continue to shake the foundations of our democracy. That's what those ousted from power do in banana republics. Let's get the principles in place to ensure it doesn't happen here.
 

Greenman

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Most people will prepare by waiving and saying "bye bye Donny". Which is also the entire credible content of the linked article.
 

Viper1j

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In case you haven't been keeping up with current events, people with lots of money, can get into all kinds of mischief, and cause all kinds of problems for people that don't have lots of money.

If you think Donny is just going to go quietly away and sit on a beach somewhere, you need to pass around some of whatever you've been smoking.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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The best gift would be subpoenas from the NY AG to Trump. It might keep him distracted enough to not focus as much on destroying the nation in revenge.
 
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Muse

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I do my best to avoid DJT. I do not listen to him, I don't follow him on twitter, I refuse to read his tweets. When they appear on the TV news, I avert my eyes. They are to me anathema. I can't stand to see him, see his infuriating gestures as he exhorts his minions. That's now, when he's in office. I am sure I will continue to ignore him to the extent possible. Yes, of course, I'm aware of the awful things he does on a continual basis and the shameful complicity of the Republican party operatives. I'm aware that there are many unastute people in the US of A. What are you gonna do?
 

Muse

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The best gift would be subpoenas from the NY AG to Trump. It might keep him distracted enough to not focus as much on destroying the nation in revenge.
Remember, this is a man who has gone bankrupt, IIRC, more than once. Hopefully it can happen again and maybe next time he won't find it as easy to rebound. Once in a while people become object lessons in how not to conduct themselves. I hope this is one such time. Many mighty have fallen. That guy is not invincible.
 

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Remember, this is a man who has gone bankrupt, IIRC, more than once. Hopefully it can happen again and maybe next time he won't find it as easy to rebound. Once in a while people become object lessons in how not to conduct themselves. I hope this is one such time.

Oh he's in a hell of lot more trouble in NY than bankruptcy. There will no such thing allowed when it comes to the NY AG's office. He's on the hook and declaring bankruptcy will be laughed at. And then of course come the criminal charges to him and his family.

Yeah, he's likely cooked unless the perfidious Cuomo makes a deal for power.
 

Muse

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Oh he's in a hell of lot more trouble in NY than bankruptcy. There will no such thing allowed when it comes to the NY AG's office. He's on the hook and declaring bankruptcy will be laughed at. And then of course come the criminal charges to him and his family.

Yeah, he's likely cooked unless the perfidious Cuomo makes a deal for power.
I will so celebrate the man's demise. I hope that comes well before his death!!!
 

Moonbeam

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I have high hopes he will become enlightened and become a great moral leader.

Sheath the knives please while I slink away.
 

trenchfoot

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I'm thinking once Trump leaves office he will be looked upon in a whole different light, especially from his (at present) friendly neighborhood Repub legislators who are being held hostage by his base. Once Trump is gone and the smoke clears, these chiseling whores selling their asses off to the highest bidding donors will swoop in on their newly re-acquired base and try to reboot and reclaim their thoroughly screwed over minds with stuff like "Well Trump is out, but we're here to exact revenge for him and to finish the job that (poor victimized) Trump promised you he'd accomplish."

This to me is already well planned out by the GOP leadership and it won't take much cajoling and swooning to get Trump's former base on board.

Of course, Trump will claim that he had martyred himself for the sake of his loyal minions to keep them under his control and to stay in the game as a force to be reckoned with. In this way Trump can do more damage to his enemies than he could while in office.

The Dems should also have their own contingency plans in place, although it seems to me that their reaction will be, as usual, shouted down and minimized by the overwhelming avalanche of lies, innuendo, rumor mongering and false accusations that the GOP spin machine is so well known for.
 

cytg111

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This is is excluding the worldwide celebrations and parties.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/30/opin...ex-president-trump-opinion-geltzer/index.html

Someday, Donald Trump will become ex-President Trump. After a guilty plea from his longtime "fixer," Michael Cohen, alleging that Trump directed the commission of federal crimes, perhaps that day will arrive sooner rather than later. But whether it's a week, 18 months or more than six years away, we need to start preparing now. That's because, for all of the threat to our democracy Trump poses as president, he may pose an even bigger one as an ex-president.

No one knows how Trump will leave the Oval Office. Maybe he'll resign. Maybe he'll be impeached. Maybe he'll be voted out in November 2020 -- or maybe he'll leave at the end of two terms in January 2025.
But, however he becomes an ex-president, it's impossible to imagine Trump following in Richard Nixon's post-presidency footsteps -- ones that literally traversed empty beaches in a solitary existence. Whether Trump leaves of his own accord after eight years or is abruptly cast out by a vote of the Senate or Electoral College, he is not one to go quietly into the night.

Remember: This is the only presidential candidate in recent memory who refused, even when he appeared to be on the brink of losing the election, to commit to accepting the outcome of the vote. In a career that's careened from real estate to reality TV to politics, there's been one constant: a thirst for more attention.
So imagine ex-President Trump tweeting out real-time commentary on every move his successor makes. Imagine him continuing to fire up crowds at the campaign-style rallies he hasn't stopped doing even as a sitting president. Imagine him starting his own news media empire -- just as he apparently planned to do if he lost in 2016. He will be loud.

And he will be dangerous. Already, Trump is casting doubt on the validity of the upcoming midterm elections, suggesting that Moscow is intervening to favor the Democrats and predicting violence if Democrats reverse Republican gains. Already, Trump is indulging the voices of white supremacism and paranoia, finding moral equivalence "on both sides" in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August 2017, and criticizing tech companies for removing the hate-filled conspiracy theories of Alex Jones and his Infowars. Already, Trump is baselessly attacking other presidents, accusing Barack Obama of surveilling him and planting a spy in his campaign.

Now imagine what Trump will be without White House advisers surrounding him and at least trying to rein him in. Imagine how he might cast doubt on election results, especially ones that have landed him out of office. Imagine how he might seek to rally support wherever he can find it, even among the most extreme voices in our society. Imagine what he might accuse a successor of doing -- especially one who's just beaten him -- given what Trump has said about a predecessor against whom he didn't even run and who went out of his way to be cordial in the transition between them.

And think about Trump's supporters. For many who felt that they didn't have a voice in Washington, Trump was, at last, that voice. They won't want that voice to go silent. That's particularly true if they feel that, just as Trump told them, the system proves "rigged." They'll surely feel that way if Trump's impeached or effectively forced to resign. But, even if he's voted out -- or even if he serves for eight years but claims to have been hamstrung for much of it by a purported "witch hunt" led by special counsel Robert Mueller -- Trump's supporters will feel that they and he never really got a fair shake. And, as he always does, Trump will indulge that view -- indeed, he'll stoke it.

Our nation's thought leaders need to develop and agree to principles now to mitigate the looming threat posed by ex-President Trump. One might apply to the next president, whether Democratic or Republican: Simply do not engage with ex-President Trump, no matter how vicious his attacks become; isolate him by ignoring him.

Another might govern both sides of the aisle in Congress: Speak up loudly for the norm of ex-presidents treating their successors -- and the office itself -- with respect, even if they disagree with particular policies. And a third might guide the media: Make a pact (whether or not the likes of Breitbart and Fox News agree to it) not to give ex-President Trump more than perfunctory coverage, whatever invective he hurls and however the public remains fascinated by his norm-shattering behavior.

From the White House to the Capitol to the media, the dangers posed by ex-President Trump put a premium on electing leaders and supporting commentators who can make a compelling -- even passionate -- case for why fundamental norms of American governance and political dialogue need to be restored and protected.

There will, of course, be more to Trump's post-presidency than the man himself: He has introduced ideas that will not simply vanish when he leaves the White House. Some of those ideas concern how presidents (and even presidential candidates) communicate, such as by interrupting and talking over debate opponents as well as by using language -- like Trump's reference to "s**thole countries" -- previously unacceptable in mainstream politics or even society.

Some of those ideas relate to particular policies, from Trump's brand of economic nationalism to his insistence that immigration is predominantly a liability for the United States, its security and its identity. No matter how Trump leaves office, those ideas have now been normalized in ways that defy instant reversal. They will need to be addressed by deliberate norm-restoring behavior by future presidents and by the articulation of superior policies by politicians able to make those policies resonate with the public.

Whatever traction Trump's ideas have, Trump himself will surely cling to the spotlight -- if he can. We were, as a nation, largely blindsided by the assault on longstanding norms that Trump has personified. That's allowed a lot of damage to be done that we'll spend decades repairing. We can't afford to be blindsided, yet again, by the potential for ex-President Trump to shatter more norms and continue to shake the foundations of our democracy. That's what those ousted from power do in banana republics. Let's get the principles in place to ensure it doesn't happen here.
If Donny is still a free man/ a live after this fact.. damn no, he will enjoy whatever retirement he has left.. He might make an appearance on Hannity or Infow.. but thats it.IMO.
 

Viper1j

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I have high hopes he will become enlightened and become a great moral leader. .

Oh waitress?

I'll have two of whatever he's drinking please.

If Donny is still a free man/ a live after this fact.. damn no, he will enjoy whatever retirement he has left.. He might make an appearance on Hannity or Infow.. but thats it.IMO.

He can still break shit without actually having to be there.

Imagine this. TNN, the Trump News Network.

Breaking news from an alternate universe.
We serve only the highest quality alternative facts..
 
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UNCjigga

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I'm pretty sure Trump and Co will find a new clown car full of racist asshats to champion the candidacy of Donald Trump Jr, on the sole platform of "owning the libs". Assuming Junior isn't an unpardonable felon of course.
 

cytg111

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Oh waitress?

I'll have two of whatever he's drinking please.



He can still break shit without actually having to be there.

Imagine this. TNN, the Trump News Network.

Breaking news from an alternate universe.
We serve only the highest quality alternative facts..
Alex Jones Evolved? Damn...
 

BurnItDwn

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After his crucifiction, his body double will claim to be him, and will claim to have arisen from the dead.
 

Bitek

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The only way to quiet him down will be prison.

Aside from prison, best case is the he will continue to trash and carry on his antics publicly.

He will be especially dangerous if he leaves via electoral loss or impeachment, and he will remain bitter, angry and convinced of conspiracy, and riling his followers to believe the same.

He will NEVER accept being rejected. His pathologically narcissistic mind is incapable of doing so.

He will also want to continue to push his family back into power as an act of vengance and self-preservation.

He is a cancer that won't easily be stopped.
 
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Commodus

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There should be an asterisk on this article: assuming that Trump's terrible health habits don't do him in first. An obese 72-year-old who thrives on fast food and gets four hours of sleep every day is headed for a premature end. And we might not even know how bad it is until it's too late, since we know his team will lie about his health.
 

Greenman

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There should be an asterisk on this article: assuming that Trump's terrible health habits don't do him in first. An obese 72-year-old who thrives on fast food and gets four hours of sleep every day is headed for a premature end. And we might not even know how bad it is until it's too late, since we know his team will lie about his health.
He's 72. He sailed through premature and is entering ripe old age.
 

Commodus

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He's 72. He sailed through premature and is entering ripe old age.

Ha, true. Still, that kind of behaviour is harmful when you're 22, let alone 72. I can't help but think that Trump's cognitive decline stems as much from this as it does being a senior citizen.
 
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He needs to be shunned, when he walks into a KFC you are at pack your food up and leave. When you see him on the sidewalk, cross the street. No invites to parties, don’t do business with him and if you must charge a premium.
 

Muse

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I have high hopes he will become enlightened and become a great moral leader.

Sheath the knives please while I slink away.
The problem is that he has gone in the opposite direction of morally responsible on every single goddamn issue that's come before him since being sworn in. No halfway sane person at this point would bother to hope for his redemption. He's a lost soul.

Any responsible statements from him are not made by him now, they are all made by underlings tasked with such messaging. The POTUS is incapable of them.