How to network a 98 and an NT Workstation machine?

Ctown

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I've got one machine running Win 98SE and one running NT Workstation. I want to network them together so I can share files. I'm not really concerned about sharing an Internet connection so much. Just the files. I've had no problems getting 2 Win98 machines to see each other, but I just can't get 98 and NT Workstation to talk. Any help or direction would be GREATLY appreciated. This has really been bugging me for the past few days. I know someone must have done this in the past....

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C
 

vetteguy

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Sharing the files on the 98 machine is simple. Simply share the folder(s) and NT will be able to see them. You'll have to create at least one local user account on the NT machine for 98 to be able to get to the files. Then when it asks you for a username/password use the account you just created.
 

Ctown

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Cool, thanks. I am now able to share files between the two machines. I still have 2 questions though:

1. Whenever I browse the network from the NT machine, it takes a long time to browse through every screen to get to the 98 machine and its shared folder and its files. Like maybe 2 minutes between screens. Once I get to the files, I am able to transfer them quickly between the machines. This is only a problem when using the NT machine to look at the 98 machine. Looking at the NT machine from the 98 machine goes very quickly. Any ideas on this one? I'm stumped....

2. When I log into the 98 machine I have to use a username/pass from the NT machine. But when I click ok, it tries to validate against a domain server which doesn't exist (since I'm connecting to NT workstation). It takes a few minutes to do this before coming back with the error maesage that no domain server could be found. I am still able to see everything on the NT machine after getting in 98. I just want to try and eliminate this error message or the wait it takes to bring it up. Any ideas here?

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C
 

Ripper18

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yea that happens to me too for 2000 trying to look at the client computers
so i just map the drive in network places or neighborhood =P that way it just auto pops up. i don't know why it takes forever. haven't frigger that part out since i been using 2k server. and for trying to validate i think you gotta make it not log into a domain server cuz theres a option of telling it you want to log into a domain server which you should unclick. hope that helps sorry i'm not good at explaining =P
 

Ctown

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Ok, I unchecked the Logon to NT Domain check box. Now I'm just given a prompt for a username and password (no domain). I put in the NT username and password and I can get into windows without the error message I talked about above. But now I can't see the NT machine in Network Neighborhood. I can see it from the command line if I type \\machinename, but not from Network Neighborhood. What's the deal there? It's really not that useful if I can't get to it except from the command line...Thanks for the replies in advance...

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C
 

vetteguy

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If all you have in your network are these two computers then you don't have to log on at all. You can click cancel when you start 98 and are at the username/password prompt and you will still be able to access the other machine. I think (but haven't used 98 in so long I've forgotten) that you don't even need client for Microsoft networks in the services list under network propetries. If you remove this that will get rid of the login all together and you should still be able to get at the other machine. (But if for some reason you can't you can always add it back in, but you will need your 98 CD). As far as not seeing the NT machine in the Network Neighborhood, I can't think off hand why you can't. Have you tried restarting the 98 machine and waiting a minute or two for everything to get refreshed? Let me know what happens I'm kind of curious now.
 

aircooled

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Make sure they both have the same workgroup name, file and print sharing enabled on the 98 machine, and if none of that works, try adding the netBEUI protocal on both machines. For some reason the 9x OS's seem to like that protocal.
 

Ctown

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vetteguy, I think you need the client for microsoft networks to connect to NT. You need a valid NT username and password to access shares on the NT side. I dont think you can get to them from 9x without the login, can you???

aircooled, how can you set the workgroup name on the NT side? I've never been able to figure that out. Also, I already have NetBEUI installed on both. That's the network protocol that's being used for the network (or at least I think it is)....

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C
 

Wooster

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The reason not able to see NT machine on the network is you have to share the drive first and then assign a permission to it. Since I haven't use NT machine for a while, it's from top of my head. I might be wrong though.
 

vetteguy

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Actually that shouldn't matter with NT...whether you have folders shared or not it should still show up on the network (because of the way NT broadcasts itself). There is a utility that you can run to make sure it us announcing its presence though. From the command line, execute the following command:

net config server /hidden :n

That will make sure it is broadcasting. The opposite :)y) will hide an NT/2000 machine from the master browser (if you don't want 1000 NT Workstations showing up in network neighborhood).
 

aircooled

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Just right click Network Neigborhood and click properties. You can check or change the NT workgroup name.
If netbuei isn't working for you, try installing TCP/IP and leave netbuei there.
 

Ctown

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Right clicking on network neighborhood and selecting properties in NT allows you to set the DOMAIN not the WORKGROUP. Anyway, this machine is already part of a domain (since it was the machine I use at work). Changing the domain the way you suggest would kick me off the network at work which I definitley don't want to do.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks,
C
 

aircooled

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You can't have it both ways. Either the machine is a part of a domain, or it's part of a workgroup. You can change between the two any time you want by right clicking on network neigborhood and selecting properties. And yes you can change the workgroup name there too not just the domain name.

If you are already on a DOMAIN network, you can only add the 9x machine by adding it to the DOMAIN and setting up Client for Microsoft Network to logon to an NT domain. Or you can remove your NT machine from the DOMAIN and add it to the WORKGROUP of the 9x machine.