How to make money on poor people.

FelixDeCat

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Sell cigarettes individually.

Soon Mr. Warner’s two partners, both younger men, arrive for the day and fan out along the same block. By midmorning, the block to the south is occupied by Carlton, who sells loosies, as does Carlton’s younger brother, Norman, 54. A few blocks north, another man sells cigarettes near a check-cashing storefront. Add to these a few roving vendors who poach territory when they can.

Itinerant cigarette vendors have long been a fixture in some parts of the city, like bodegas that sell individual cigarettes in violation of state law. But with cigarette prices up and the number of smoke-friendly places down, the black market for loosies is now thriving on the streets.

The administration of Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg has outlawed smoking in restaurants, bars and playgrounds, and outside hospital entrances. Even city parks, beaches and pedestrian plazas will soon be off limits to smokers. Then there have been successive rounds of taxes — the most recent one, a $1.60 rise in the state tax in July — that raised the price of a pack of cigarettes to $12.50 at many Midtown newsstands. “The tax went up, and we started selling 10 times as much,” Mr. Warner said. “Bloomberg thinks he’s stopping people from smoking. He’s just turning them onto loosies.”

Mr. Warner and his partners patrol the east side of Eighth Avenue, from 35th to 36th Street. He started out on Seventh Avenue, but eventually moved a block west, in front of Staples at 35th. “You look for the crowd,” he said.

Mr. Warner said he bought his cigarettes — almost always Newports — for a bit over $50 a carton from smugglers who get them in states like Virginia, where the state tax is well under a dollar a pack. He then resells them for 75 cents each, two for $1 or $8 for a pack ($7 for friends).

Mr. Warner said he and each of his two partners took home $120 to $150 a day, profit made from selling about 2,000 cigarettes, mostly two at a time. Each transaction is a misdemeanor offense. Among all of Midtown’s cigarette vendors, Mr. Warner stands out, partly because he seems to get arrested more frequently than others. That may be because his style of salesmanship is hardly furtive.
“The cops call me a fish — that’s my nickname, cause I’m easy to catch,” Mr. Warner said during a series of recent interviews. “When they need a body to arrest, they come pick me up.”

In the four years since he began selling cigarettes, Mr. Warner recalls being arrested 15 times, generally on the charge of selling untaxed tobacco. He has been arrested so often that he can recognize 10 different plainclothes police officers, he claims. The ever-present risk of arrest makes working with partners valuable — “we have six eyes on this block,” he explained.
Much more here: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/nyregion/05loosie.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
 
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Ronstang

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If you want to know how to make money off poor people just ask the very rich liberals. They have been doing it for decades all the while blaming poor peoples' situations on conservatives and most are too dumb to notice.
 

Perknose

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When I lived in England, a number of guys talked about buying a single cigarette, presumably legally, at the corner store when they were younger.

Yup, apparently it used to be legal in the UK, but now isn't:

A Bath pub has stubbed out its habit of selling loose cigarettes – and saved itself a £1,000 fine.

The Bell in Walcot Street had been selling single cigarettes for 35p each in a move its owner hoped would help customers scale down their smoking - and save money.

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But such sales are illegal under the Children and Young Persons (Protection from Tobacco) Act of 1991.

The law does not allow single cigarettes to be sold as it is believed this makes it easier for people to start smoking and bypasses the graphic health warnings found on packets.

Prior to being contacted by the Bath Chronicle, The Bell kept loose cigarettes behind the bar, clearly visible to customers.

Ian Wood, the pub's owner, said he had not realised selling loose cigarettes was illegal.

He said that selling the odd cigarette prevented people from buying a whole pack.

"We don't sell that many, it was just a nice service to have because when people buy a whole packet of cigarettes they'll wake up in the morning with the cigarettes and smoke them," he said.

"But we'll have to stop now."

But Helen Arnoldi, NHS B&NES's Stop Smoking Service manager, said having access to individual and therefore cheaper cigarettes meant people often carried on smoking.

"If you know you can buy them individually over the bar it saves you money from buying a whole pack and it encourages people who are trying to stop; if they have stopped smoking and are having difficulty one cigarette is enough to get you back up to 20 a day," she said.

"I can understand what Mr Wood is saying but it is still encouraging people who would find it more difficult to stop smoking."

The Tobacco Retailers Alliance, which promotes the rights of retailers to sell tobacco, said it has been illegal to sell loose cigarettes since October 2007.
 
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Lifted

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Not much more overpriced than anything else in convenience stores.

Also nothing new. I was buying loosies 20 years ago, though it was mostly shops/bodegas in the black and hispanic communities that sold them back then.
 

FelixDeCat

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The profit is there:

20 cigs = $20 - $10 cost = 100% profit.

Then theres the misdemeanor fines, jail time and community service costs. :(
 

Svnla

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OP, where have you been? Single cigarette has been on sale forever.

Don't forget about the fees of cashing payroll checks, higher cost of beers and wines, and snacks.

Heck, anything in a small C store is higher than at a big store. Convenience = higher price.

/thread.
 

WelshBloke

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When I lived in England, a number of guys talked about buying a single cigarette, presumably legally, at the corner store when they were younger.

Yup, apparently it used to be legal in the UK, but now isn't:

Well it's (stupidly) illegal to smoke in any of our pubs now anyways.

On a similar note, when I was at school the ice cream van that parked outside used to sell a cigarette and a match for 10p.
 

amdhunter

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Rampant in my neighborhood even before the tax hike. There are young kids selling cigarettes at $1 per cigarette. That guy in Midtown is a bargain, or just too ignorant to realize there are stupider people in poorer areas.
 

FoBoT

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if they really want to make big money, they need to lobby congress to outlaw tobacco, then the prices will get up to where they can make real money on it, black market >> grey market
 
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If you want to know how to make money off poor people just ask the very rich liberals. They have been doing it for decades all the while blaming poor peoples' situations on conservatives and most are too dumb to notice.

Right, because the conservatives haven't been using Jesus and tons of other shit to do the same thing.
 

WelshBloke

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if they really want to make big money, they need to lobby congress to outlaw tobacco, then the prices will get up to where they can make real money on it, black market >> grey market

Difficult to tax it then though.
 
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OP, where have you been? Single cigarette has been on sale forever.

Don't forget about the fees of cashing payroll checks, higher cost of beers and wines, and snacks.

Heck, anything in a small C store is higher than at a big store. Convenience = higher price.

/thread.

Yep. There's a reason there's 50 fast food places, liquor stores, convenience stores, and check cashing/payday loan places per block in poor neighborhoods.

Its not like making money off poor people is a difficult thing, its been one of, if not the driving force of mankind for about as long as man has existed and it continues on better than ever today.
 

lxskllr

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Why is it illegal to sell a single cigarette? Because its not taxed?

Taxes can't be proven. There was a company years ago that was developing some kind of laser print for single cig packs that would allow a a little tax stamp, but I don't know what came of it.

Don't be fooled by the arguments that the laws are "for the kids". They're almost 100% about money. The rest of the numbers are made up by zealots that want to inflict their views on others.
 

Doppel

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Sometimes I look behind the counter at the gas station and am taken aback that anybody still smokes. The cheapest I've seen last time I looked was $8.90, the rest were in the 9's, I think I saw some in the low 10's--at least one brand. And studies do show that increases in prices cut back smoking rates. It's so fvcking pathetic to still be a smoker these days.

Again, cracked.com Lesson #1 stupid habit people learn growing up poor:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-5-stupidest-habits-you-develop-growing-up-poor_p2/

BTW, I never knew people bought cigarettes in singles.
Its not like making money off poor people is a difficult thing, its been one of, if not the driving force of mankind for about as long as man has existed and it continues on better than ever today.
I guess this is actually pretty true.
Prices aren't near $10/pack...
Yep, they sure are.
 

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Sometimes I look behind the counter at the gas station and am taken aback that anybody still smokes. The cheapest I've seen last time I looked was $8.90, the rest were in the 9's, I think I saw some in the low 10's--at least one brand. And studies do show that increases in prices cut back smoking rates. It's so fvcking pathetic to still be a smoker these days.

Again, cracked.com Lesson #1 stupid habit people learn growing up poor:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-5-stupidest-habits-you-develop-growing-up-poor_p2/

BTW, I never knew people bought cigarettes in singles.I guess this is actually pretty true.Yep, they sure are.

i dont think its right putting down a group of ppl with a certain vice just because its not your bull getting gored. im sure you have your own unhealthy, or superfluous habits.