How to get the best out of people working on your house

Sea Moose

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Ok, you have a problem at your house.

You need an electrician, plumber, Hvac, tiler etc etc. The guy turns up to do the work, he is either self employed or an employee.

I am focused on the employees.

Now these guys get paid regardless of how the job turns out, so these are some things you can do as a client to get the very best out of the tradesman.




1) Be polite and keep in mind that domestic work is shit, you can increase the tradesman's care factor by being polite.


2) offer the person a drink of water or a cup of tea. This is nothing, but if someone offers me a cup of tea, it gives me a bit of a pick up and i do a better job.


3) One guy even cooked me a 3 course meal and his wife made me the best hot chocolate ever (elderly couple and very wealthy, had 6 central air systems). He was a regular client, and he rang me later down the track as he was having problem with a thermostat, i stopped off at his house on my way home, that day, fixed the problem in 5 minutes, and didnt charge him for the call out. ( i could have charged $190, he had cash ready, i said dont worry about it)

Sonambulo makes a good point:Free food for the contractors will cost you a little extra money but it's usually a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the job itself. When I worked in the trades we would always pay much more attention to what we were doing when the client was paying for our meals.

It's shitty and unfair to the other customers but it's just the way it is.


4) Dont stand over the person. They are qualified, they dont need your supervision. But feel free to ask questions, at the appropriate time. I enjoy educating clients on how to use equipment properly, but if they are rude to me, my care factor drops and i dont give a flying fig.

Addition by Lxskllr: We just want to get the job completed and get out of there. Leave the tradesman alone. An acception to this rule is seniors, who enjoy a chat.



5) Dont tell bullshit stories to the boss. One lady rang up and complained that i was working slow. It was the middle of summer and at that time of year it is impossible to get mechanics out. I had a ripper of a migrane but i thought id do the right thing and get her job sorted. I explained to her that i had a migrane, but i wanted to help her out and get the job done, so she wasnt without air con on a 40DegC day. She rang up and bitched that I was slow. Tradesmen do try to help you out. Let them, and refer to rule 1.


I hope this list helps out, there seems to be a few ATOTers that have bought new homes and i am sure heaps own their home. I will try to refine the list as much as possible. And suggestions will be appreciated.

Seamoose

Good Points by RagingBITCH
If the client was saying "hurry the FVCK up, I have tennis in 5 hours, you guys are slow, you smell, you're dirty", IE, overall rude, would a contractor do the same quality of work as someone who is polite and courteous to them? I don't care about their perfectionist mindset...they are not going to do the same level of work.

In general if there isn't a wide variety/range in attitude from Customer A to B, then yes, they'll put in the LOE they would be proud of.

But, if Customer C is a complete polar opposite of Customer A, then that goes out the window.


Great words from BoomerD: Treat the contractor and his workers like people...you'll usually get better work...and often faster as well.

 

lxskllr

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I like #4 the best. I'm kind of anti social in the first place, and I HATE having company when I'm trying to do my job. I'm more tolerant of it with the oldsters because many times they don't get much company, and someone new to talk to is a treat. If you're just a regular person though, you need to fuck off and let me do my job.
 

NoCreativity

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Depending on the job, I may be interested in watching what the person is doing. I always ask them if they mind me watching what they are doing as I don't want to be a pest or in the way of or anything.

And lately I have been trying to send a note (e-mail or letter) to managers of folks who seem to go above and beyond to provide good service.
 

Sea Moose

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Originally posted by: NoCreativity
Depending on the job, I may be interested in watching what the person is doing. I always ask them if they mind me watching what they are doing as I don't want to be a pest or in the way of or anything.

And lately I have been trying to send a note (e-mail or letter) to managers of folks who seem to go above and beyond to provide good service.

People are never going to say "No i dont want you around" but observe their behavior and make the decision for yourself. I usually go very quiet when i want to be left alone.

And it makes my day when people send positive comments through. And next time i go to that house i continue to do a better job there.
 

rivan

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Originally posted by: lxskllr
I like #4 the best. I'm kind of anti social in the first place, and I HATE having company when I'm trying to do my job. I'm more tolerant of it with the oldsters because many times they don't get much company, and someone new to talk to is a treat. If you're just a regular person though, you need to fuck off and let me do my job.

I'll hover over your ass all I want. Mostly because I want to see how it's done so I don't need to pay you next time - I'll do it myself. If you're reluctant to answer my questions, I'll stop asking but keep watching.

That said, I'm super polite, always offer refreshments and fully realize I'm not the professional in the matter.
 

lxskllr

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Originally posted by: rivan
Originally posted by: lxskllr
I like #4 the best. I'm kind of anti social in the first place, and I HATE having company when I'm trying to do my job. I'm more tolerant of it with the oldsters because many times they don't get much company, and someone new to talk to is a treat. If you're just a regular person though, you need to fuck off and let me do my job.

I'll hover over your ass all I want. Mostly because I want to see how it's done so I don't need to pay you next time - I'll do it myself. If you're reluctant to answer my questions, I'll stop asking but keep watching.

That said, I'm super polite, always offer refreshments and fully realize I'm not the professional in the matter.

People can't do my job. I'm a surveyor(unemployed), and standing there just makes the job go slower, and asking questions will just give you answers you won't know what to do with.
 

Gibson486

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Here is the thing....when you deal with contractors, you have to get everything in writing. Don;t let the contractor precieve what the end result will be. You need to make sure he understands it. For smaller projects like tiles or fixing a leaking roof, yeah, you are just going to have to make sure he is doing it right and check on him.
 

Zee

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rule 1 is find a honest contractor. which is about the same chance and winning the pick 4 lotto
 

sonambulo

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Originally posted by: Sea Moose
3) One guy even cooked me a 3 course meal and his wife made me the best hot chocolate ever (elderly couple and very wealthy, had 6 central air systems). He was a regular client, and he rang me later down the track as he was having problem with a thermostat, i stopped off at his house on my way home, that day, fixed the problem in 5 minutes, and didnt charge him for the call out. ( i could have charged $190, he had cash ready, i said dont worry about it)

This a thousand times over. Free food for the contractors will cost you a little extra money but it's usually a drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the job itself. When I worked in the trades we would always pay much more attention to what we were doing when the client was paying for our meals.

It's shitty and unfair to the other customers but it's just the way it is.
 

NoCreativity

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Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Originally posted by: NoCreativity
Depending on the job, I may be interested in watching what the person is doing. I always ask them if they mind me watching what they are doing as I don't want to be a pest or in the way of or anything.

And lately I have been trying to send a note (e-mail or letter) to managers of folks who seem to go above and beyond to provide good service.

People are never going to say "No i dont want you around" but observe their behavior and make the decision for yourself. I usually go very quiet when i want to be left alone.

And it makes my day when people send positive comments through. And next time i go to that house i continue to do a better job there.

I always pay attention to the mannerisms of the person and can usually tell when they would like to be left alone. Much like you they tend to get pretty quiet and I know that is my queue to back off for a bit. I also try to guage their response when I ask if they mind me hanging around and will back off if I can tell they are just trying to be nice by saying yes.

Never really thought of the refreshment thing. I'll have to remember that for the future.
 

Barfo

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- Look over their shoulders the whole time
- threaten to withhold payment if they ever slow down or rest
- ???
- profit
 

Sea Moose

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Originally posted by: Barfo
- Look over their shoulders the whole time
- threaten to withhold payment if they ever slow down or rest
- ???
- profit

Fail.

One pissed off contractor.

You come home to find your house has been swapped for pigs with h1n1

vengance
 

rivan

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Originally posted by: lxskllr
Originally posted by: rivan
Originally posted by: lxskllr
I like #4 the best. I'm kind of anti social in the first place, and I HATE having company when I'm trying to do my job. I'm more tolerant of it with the oldsters because many times they don't get much company, and someone new to talk to is a treat. If you're just a regular person though, you need to fuck off and let me do my job.

I'll hover over your ass all I want. Mostly because I want to see how it's done so I don't need to pay you next time - I'll do it myself. If you're reluctant to answer my questions, I'll stop asking but keep watching.

That said, I'm super polite, always offer refreshments and fully realize I'm not the professional in the matter.

People can't do my job. I'm a surveyor(unemployed), and standing there just makes the job go slower, and asking questions will just give you answers you won't know what to do with.

Well that's a little different :p

I'd still offer up drinks.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: Barfo
- Look over their shoulders the whole time
- threaten to withhold payment if they ever slow down or rest
- ???
- profit

I've found death threats far more effective, personally. Have to deliver them with a sharp blade or a loaded firearm so they know you're serious, of course. The down side is you end up having to kill them anyway.
 

surfsatwerk

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Imo there is no way to ensure good work out of people once they are in your home. To get the best results you need to do the homework beforehand and hire a quality contractor or service, and then leave them the hell alone. Speaking from experience hovering is dumb, if you don't trust them to do the work they were hired to do then why are they in your house?
 

Sea Moose

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Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Imo there is no way to ensure good work out of people once they are in your home. To get the best results you need to do the homework beforehand and hire a quality contractor or service, and then leave them the hell alone. Speaking from experience hovering is dumb, if you don't trust them to do the work they were hired to do then why are they in your house?

Ok, i am saying that the contractor that you researched or was recommended by a friend is on your door step. The listing i am putting together is: how to get the best out of that contractor.
 

surfsatwerk

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Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Imo there is no way to ensure good work out of people once they are in your home. To get the best results you need to do the homework beforehand and hire a quality contractor or service, and then leave them the hell alone. Speaking from experience hovering is dumb, if you don't trust them to do the work they were hired to do then why are they in your house?

Ok, i am saying that the contractor that you researched or was recommended by a friend is on your door step. The listing i am putting together is: how to get the best out of that contractor.

You can't, they will either do a good job because they are quality craftsman or they won't because they're crooks or just average in skill and performance.

Everyone I know that are quality homebuilders, flooring guys, etc... they do a great job regardless of who their customer is. They do good work because they want to, the customer isn't a factor in the quality of their work. Unless the customer goes out of their way to be a jackass.

It's the typical perfectionist mindset, they can't do anything without it meeting their own personal standard of excellence or it bugs the living hell out of them. So if you trust the sources who recommended them relax and let them do their job.
 

Sea Moose

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Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Imo there is no way to ensure good work out of people once they are in your home. To get the best results you need to do the homework beforehand and hire a quality contractor or service, and then leave them the hell alone. Speaking from experience hovering is dumb, if you don't trust them to do the work they were hired to do then why are they in your house?

Ok, i am saying that the contractor that you researched or was recommended by a friend is on your door step. The listing i am putting together is: how to get the best out of that contractor.

You can't, they will either do a good job because they are quality craftsman or they won't because they're crooks.

Everyone I know that are quality homebuilders, flooring guys, etc... they do a great job regardless of who their customer is. They do good work because they want to, the customer isn't a factor in the quality of their work. Unless the customer goes out of their way to be a jackass.

It's the typical perfectionist mindset, they can't do anything without it meeting their own personal standard of excellence or it bugs the living hell out of them.

Can another contractor/tradesmen enlighten this person.
 

RagingBITCH

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Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Imo there is no way to ensure good work out of people once they are in your home. To get the best results you need to do the homework beforehand and hire a quality contractor or service, and then leave them the hell alone. Speaking from experience hovering is dumb, if you don't trust them to do the work they were hired to do then why are they in your house?

Ok, i am saying that the contractor that you researched or was recommended by a friend is on your door step. The listing i am putting together is: how to get the best out of that contractor.

You can't, they will either do a good job because they are quality craftsman or they won't because they're crooks or just average in skill and performance.

Everyone I know that are quality homebuilders, flooring guys, etc... they do a great job regardless of who their customer is. They do good work because they want to, the customer isn't a factor in the quality of their work. Unless the customer goes out of their way to be a jackass.

It's the typical perfectionist mindset, they can't do anything without it meeting their own personal standard of excellence or it bugs the living hell out of them. So if you trust the sources who recommended them relax and let them do their job.

You're missing the point. If their client was saying "hurry the FVCK up, I have tennis in 5 hours, you guys are slow, you smell, you're dirty", IE, overall rude, would they do the same quality of work as someone who is polite and courteous to them? I don't care about their perfectionist mindset...they are not going to do the same level of work.

In general if there isn't a wide variety/range in attitude from Customer A to B, then yes, they'll put in the LOE they would be proud of. If Customer C is a complete polar opposite of Customer A, then that goes out the window. I don't know why you would think otherwise. I know plenty of guys who would do that.
 

surfsatwerk

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Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Imo there is no way to ensure good work out of people once they are in your home. To get the best results you need to do the homework beforehand and hire a quality contractor or service, and then leave them the hell alone. Speaking from experience hovering is dumb, if you don't trust them to do the work they were hired to do then why are they in your house?

Ok, i am saying that the contractor that you researched or was recommended by a friend is on your door step. The listing i am putting together is: how to get the best out of that contractor.

You can't, they will either do a good job because they are quality craftsman or they won't because they're crooks or just average in skill and performance.

Everyone I know that are quality homebuilders, flooring guys, etc... they do a great job regardless of who their customer is. They do good work because they want to, the customer isn't a factor in the quality of their work. Unless the customer goes out of their way to be a jackass.

It's the typical perfectionist mindset, they can't do anything without it meeting their own personal standard of excellence or it bugs the living hell out of them. So if you trust the sources who recommended them relax and let them do their job.

You're missing the point. If their client was saying "hurry the FVCK up, I have tennis in 5 hours, you guys are slow, you smell, you're dirty", IE, overall rude, would they do the same quality of work as someone who is polite and courteous to them? I don't care about their perfectionist mindset...they are not going to do the same level of work.

In general if there isn't a wide variety/range in attitude from Customer A to B, then yes, they'll put in the LOE they would be proud of. If Customer C is a complete polar opposite of Customer A, then that goes out the window. I don't know why you would think otherwise. I know plenty of guys who would do that.

I know, what's your point.
 

dabuddha

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Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Imo there is no way to ensure good work out of people once they are in your home. To get the best results you need to do the homework beforehand and hire a quality contractor or service, and then leave them the hell alone. Speaking from experience hovering is dumb, if you don't trust them to do the work they were hired to do then why are they in your house?

So you just blindly trust someone whose working in your home? Unless I know the person, I want to keep an eye on the guy to make sure he's doing his job and not fucking around. I'm not going to be standing 3 inches from him but I'll be around the room while he's working. Once I see that he seems to know what he's doing, I'll go about my own business. I understand what the OP posted but like someone else said, finding an honest contractor is almost as rare as winning the lottery. Especially with so many people unemployed at the moment, people readily lie about what they're capable of doing just so they can get the job. (this is from our own personal experience when we had to get some work done on one of our buildings)
 

Greenman

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Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Imo there is no way to ensure good work out of people once they are in your home. To get the best results you need to do the homework beforehand and hire a quality contractor or service, and then leave them the hell alone. Speaking from experience hovering is dumb, if you don't trust them to do the work they were hired to do then why are they in your house?

Ok, i am saying that the contractor that you researched or was recommended by a friend is on your door step. The listing i am putting together is: how to get the best out of that contractor.

You can't, they will either do a good job because they are quality craftsman or they won't because they're crooks.

Everyone I know that are quality homebuilders, flooring guys, etc... they do a great job regardless of who their customer is. They do good work because they want to, the customer isn't a factor in the quality of their work. Unless the customer goes out of their way to be a jackass.

It's the typical perfectionist mindset, they can't do anything without it meeting their own personal standard of excellence or it bugs the living hell out of them.

Can another contractor/tradesmen enlighten this person.

Yes, I can enlighten him, he's 100% right.
I'm a general contractor, and all of the work I do has to meet my standards, not the owners.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: lxskllr

People can't do my job. I'm a surveyor(unemployed), and standing there just makes the job go slower, and asking questions will just give you answers you won't know what to do with.

I think you overestimate your skillset.

I do love the occasional 'craftsman' I end up hiring. They are usually all tweekers that can't even follow their own 'code'.

I swear too many are drug-abusers to the point it affects their work.

Usually I have to redo the job anyway. The last was an a/c dude that I hired because my attic unit was leaking. He insisted I needed a $6000 system.

Next day I rescheduled my plans and crawled up myself. A piece of insulation had block the coil to pan drain...

He also ended up overcharging my compressor causing massive sweating.

Stay off drugs if you want to work.