How to? Geforce 4 Ti 4200 and Abit BE6-2 board

Daniell

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Hello!

Please tell me if is it posible to use Geforce 4 Ti4200 (AGP 2.0 (1.5 Volts)) on Abit Be6-2 (AGP 1.0 (3.3 Volts)) i440BX/zx Chipset
I dont wanna destroy my Geforce or Mobo.
Thanks for all answers

Sorry on my bad English

Daniel :confused:
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TimisoaraKill

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I had the Be6-II rev 0.1 with a GF3 TI500 wich i ussed for about 6 monts , everything worked perfect in AGP 2X , 3 V , Fast settings ( AGP 1.0 as well ) .
No ideea how is the GF4 with the board , you might want to wait for somebody who allready tested .
 

AnAndAustin

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:eek: Running a 4x AGP2.0 gfx card in an AGP1.0 mobo slot is certainly a risk, mostly to mobo and gfx card. It should work okay, esp if you step down to AGP2x (or disable AGP4x) and the perf hit shouldn't be huge. I would ensure you have the latest mobo BIOS and Window drivers though. The thing which concerns me the most is that if your mobo only sports an AGP1.0 slot that your config will be too underpowered to take advantage of a GF4TI. What is your setup?
 

HeXeDOSOK

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I used to have a BE6-II but there are different revisions of the board however. The first one has support for AGP 2x but is not AGP 2.0 compliant and is only AGP 1.0 (not to be confused with 1x AGP). I ran my Geforce 3 ti500 (actually..just like the guy that posted before me...) and it hung in there. There was no doubt that I saw a perofrmance increase when I put that card in..however I did not see ANYWHERE NEAR to the bench marks I should have been getting. Ex... Voodoo 5 5500 gets 85fps in 1024x768 in Q3 MAx detail, Demo001. My Geforce 3 ti500 got in between 100 and 110. (I had a 800 PIII with 256 M pc-133 at the time). Funny thing is My fps never surpased 140fps in ANY benchmark... After around 4 months I got a T-bird 1.4 with Iwill KK266 mobo and started WAY surpassing the 200-250 fps peak. In some cases if I looked up at the sky in Q3 I saw 300fps (at the time...seeing the number 300 in ANY benchmark was astonishing)

Just remember..the AGP 1.0 running at 2x will probably "run" your GeForce 4 4200...how well is a completely different story. What kind of card do you currently have? I would recommend a CPU+mobo upgrade (should cost you about the same price as a ti4200 (even though thats not what ya want to hear). You can pick up a nice PC-133 mobo + XP 1800+ for about 140 bucks nowadays. If your not an AMD fan..then I'm sure they have cheap enough P4 solutions. I should have done the same thing..because the CPU+mobo upgrade always give your a fps boost...as well as an increase in overall performance of your PC.

Then again...if you have a Voodoo 2/3 or a TNT 2, I guess I would go with the Video upgrade..but if you have GeForce 2 Ultra or higher, I would concentrate on CPU/mobo/ram upgrade.

Then again (sorry, this is getting annoying) if you have a PIII Tu 1.2 with 512M of memory...then go for the video upgrade.. and maybe soon you can squeeze out enough for a new mobo for your PIII (with 4x AGP of course...stay away from BX!)

Anyways...this probably is anything you do not already know..but I thought I might share my past experiences on the subject.

 

Daniell

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Mainboard:
I440BX-W977(Be6-|| v1.2) Bios Version 6.00 PG Date 05/02/2001 --> Flashed today

AGP
revision 1.0
Date Transfer Rate 2x



AnAndAustin: How to disable AGP4X on my Board
My other specifications are below


HeXeDOSOK: Curenty i have Elsa Erazor 3 M64 (TNT2 Chip)
The thing is that if i buy new MoBo and CPU i also must buy new Graphic board (I think this one does not work on new boards) and DDR ram, but i dont have so much money at this time.





Intel Celeron || 600 Mhz
Abit Be6-|| v1.2
256M SDRAM
Elsa Erazor 3 (TNT 2)
20G Quantum Fireball 5400 rpm
Sblive player 1024
Teac 540E
Teac W540E
Teac W54E
Noname 50x
Twm As5s 15":confused:
 

AnAndAustin

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:eek: 'Date transfer rate 2x' would suggest you don't need to disable 4xAGP as your mobo's max is 2xAGP, you may need to 'DISABLE 2xAGP' or toggle 'AGP transfer Rate: 1x/2x'. TNT2 M64 is slower than the original TNT2 which is about on par with a GF2MX200 and RadeonVE. Well a Celeron 600mhz will give roughly PIII 500mhz perf, so GF2TI/Radeon7500 would be a decent match for your CPU and a whole lot faster than your current TNT2 M64. Anything faster than GF2TI or Radeon7500 would simply be wasted as your CPU isn't fast enough to give the modern gfx cards (like GF4TI4200) the data and bandwidth they need. You could consider a PCI gfx card, any GF2, GF4 or Radeon would give you much better perf, see what prices are like near you, although I am very confident a Rad7500 would happily work at 2xAGP and 3.3v.

:D If you find, download and run SiSoft Sandra then this will tell you many more details about your system, esp important is your FSB (Front Side Bus) speed (either 66mhz or 100mhz) and your RAM type (current speed and rating, eg 100mhz rated PC133). If your RAM is PC100 or PC133 (and not PC66) then you will be able to upgrade muchmore cheaply to a faster CPU and mobo. I assume you have around $150 (US) to spend as this is what a GF4TI4200 costs. You would be well advised to upgrade your CPU, mobo ... possibly RAM and PSU too. Of course there would be no use in reusing your current TNT2 M64 as that's already underpowered even for your Celeron 600mhz.

Based upon US prices from www.pricewatch.com I would rec the following components:

Duron1.2ghz $43 (effectively DuronXP1400+ before any o/c)
HSF certified to Duron1.3ghz (or better yet AthlonXP1800+ish) $10
SiS735 $54 (sports 2xPC100/133 AND 2xDDR slots for future upgrades)
GF3TI200 or Radeon8500/LE $85

;) This would total $192 but would blow your current system away. You should get away with your current PSU and case (ventilation and airflow shouldn't restrict). If you needed a new case and PSU you should find $50 would cover it for a basic well ventilated case with case fan mounts and cheap 400W PSU (350W will do). You could buy another type of mobo, just one which could reuse your existing PC100/133 while ideally still allowing DDR, 133/266FSB and AthlonXP CPUs as future upgrades, often VIA KT266 mobos can offer this too. 256MB DDR-PC2100 is $49 and an AthlonXP1800+ is $78, an AthlonXP CPU would need either PC133 or DDR-PC2100 and would need a good case and PSU.

:) Another option is:

Duron1.2ghz $43 (effectively DuronXP1400+ before any o/c)
HSF certified to Duron1.3ghz (or better yet AthlonXP1800+ish) $10
nForce 220D $82
256MB DDR-PC2100 $49

:eek: This would total $184 and would give you excellent Dolby 5.1 surround soundcard, LAN and an onboard GF2MX. This is very cost effective considering you are getting some great onboard components with the nForce, but since you have a SB Live you wouldn't need the onboard sound (although the onboard sound is easily as good as a SB Live). The GF2MX gfx from the mobo are decent, much better than your TNT2 M64 and would suffice until you could afford a better gfx card, pref GF3TI200 or Rad8500/LE if you can't afford the GF4TI4200.
 

HeXeDOSOK

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Understood man...

Well...the video card is gonna keep ya down...so go for the ti4600. It will work...you might need to adjust some bios settings to make it stable...and it's gonna be severely crippled. Just keep socking it away cause your gonna be blown out yo seat when you see the true performance of that card..
 

AnAndAustin

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:eek: Yeah, the 4600 is fast but not worth the price. 4600=300/650 and o/c should be around 310/700. Standard GF4TI4200-64 should o/c to 300/620 while the cheapest GF4TI4200-128 should reach 300/550. Special 4200-128MB cards like the 'Suma 4200 Special Edition' and the 'Asus 4200 Deluxe' use the longer 4400 design and 3.3ns BGA RAM and have standard settings of 250/550 and o/c to 300/640 and 300/700 respectively. As such it seems a tad wasteful to pay the price premium, get a 4200, if you need more either wait, or get a Rad9700.
 

Daniell

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Aug 3, 2002
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Well my FSB is 66 Mhz. I have 100mhz rated PC133 RAM (the Mobo does not support more ? i think) . I allready have 400 W PSU from PowerMAX.

I think i will just buy Graphic board for now (hope i wont fry it), and later when i will upgrade the system again a new Mobo and CPU.
I was thinking about Epox 8k3a+ and Athlon XP 1600+ (must have good overclocking potential) I would like to hear your opinion about those Mobo and CPU. (I dont know i can connect two diffrent HDD-s on the IDE controlers controled by the HPT 372 RAID on this board.I would't use Raid.) What is your CPU temperature and which HSF do you have.
I will probably also buy a new Chieftec case and a WD 80G Special edition HDD 7200 rpm --> When i wil have enough money

Thanks for helping me

Daniel
 

AnAndAustin

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:D So long as your RAM is running at 100mhz at the moment then you can stick it very happily in any SDR SktA mobo with any 100/200FSB CPU like the Duron1.2ghz etc. If you RAM is PC133 and just running at 100mhz at the mo then you can gain some speed by running the FSB at 100/200 and your RAM at 133mhz AS WELL AS having the option to use your PC133 with any 133/266FSB CPU (eg AthlonXP CPUs). So that's great news, if you get a mobo which will allow DDR slots, you can upgrade to this in the future which will boost your overall perf by a good 10%.

:D 400W PSU sounds more than fine, shouldn't cause you any problems, if you end up with an AthlonXP and mid/high end gfx card then you may need a new case, but you should be fine simply to add a case fan or two.

:eek: IMHO Axp1600+ is very o/c'able, although I wouldn't like running the FSB that fast nor raising voltage to achieve XP2000+ speeds. Since the Axp1800+ costs VERY little more and should hit XP2000+ without voltage rises or huige FSB speeds, this would be my preference.

;) 80GB HDs are very good value, and you may find your current case fine.

:) Gotta run, my wife's in and out of hospital at the mo and time is short. HTH!
 

Doctorweir

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I have a GF4 Ti4200 (Aopen Aeolus 128) running in my Abit BF6, which is identical to the BE6-2 except for the Highpoint controller.....no problems so far, running fine and benches in spec.
Currently the processor is 850MHz, but I will upgrade soon to a Tualatin Celly (McGuyver needed for proz mod, awaiting processor delivery ;) ), and then I'll tweak the hell out of the BX :D

Your processor is IMHO definitely too slow to feed the GF4....I would recommend a minimum of 1GHz

Regarding AGP the BF6/BE6-2 is an AGP 2x board and the card works fine with it...as we all know, there is nearly no practical need for AGP 4x....

For powering the machine I use a 350W Enermax....also important, because the graphics cards consume much more power than back in the best BX-times...

Geez, a 15" Monitor :Q