How to explain the lack of Homosexuals in the Star Trek Universe? The Eugenic's Wars?

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zinfamous

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I think Sulu did so much gay sexing throughout the universe by the time of the original series timeline that there was simply too much for the galaxy to hold. It was like a 2ndary new "mini-bang" of the gay sexing that is ever-expanding in the Star Trek universe and is more a new phenomenon of physics than it is a social issue.

The star trek world had hit peak gay so it really never was a social topic that concerned anyone at the time.
 

DaveSimmons

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A Google search shows 2 - 4% of the populace are LGBT.

For a cast of 10 characters, Let's figure out the odds of NONE of them being LGBT with some basic probability:

Prob not for N = (1 - prob per person) ^ N, so for 10 = (1 - .04) ^ 10 = 66.48%.

In other words, for a normal population, there is a two-thirds chance that selecting 10 of them will not include any LGBT persons.

So it's twice as likely as not that the 10 most prominent characters in TNG will all be straight. You have to include the 17 most prominent to have even a 50-50 chance of including at least one LGBT person.

So nope, no genetic engineering is needed to explain a heterosexual main cast.
 
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SlitheryDee

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The star trek world had hit peak gay so it really never was a social topic that concerned anyone at the time.

You joke about this, but that might actually be the most realistic outlook of the future. Right now we are constantly loudly pretending to not give a shit if anyone is gay or not, which to an objective observer would clearly mark us as caring quite a bit about it. In the future people will "really" not give a shit if anyone is gay or not, which means it would probably almost never come up as a topic of conversation.
 

TheGardener

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I can't believe that no one brought up Wesley Crusher as being gay. He exited the show and went off into parts unknown in the universe with a character named The Traveler to be "mentored".
 

Childs

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I also don't remember any time in Star Trek where the struggles of the common Scandanavian in modern times was brought to the forefront of the storyline, but I guess that's just not a PC issue.

Star Trek actually did that kind of thing a lot, except they used aliens to represent modern day or historical groups. The thing with homosexuals is there very well could have been some on the show, but it wouldnt really matter. They didnt have storylines for Uhura or Sulu to call out that they werent white, they were simply part of the crew. I think the only main characters that had those kinds of stories were Spock and Worf, but again, they were aliens. Spock was unique in that he dealt with racism more from humans than Vulcans or Romulans. That probably says something in itself. You can almost use Spock to represent any group. Its easier to use aliens for controversial topics because no one in real life can say FU for taking a stance.

And really, homosexuals characters on TV is a relatively recent thing. Its kinda surprising Start Trek wasnt the first to do it, but it probably illustrates how taboo is was. And I dont think homosexuals wanting representation on Star Trek is a PC thing, they just want to be included like everyone else. Most people dont think inclusion is a big deal unless they were the ones being excluded, even if it was unintentional.

I vaguely remember a TNG episode where the alien species were androgynous. I think they all looked like women, but they switched back and forth sexually depending on whats needed. I think Riker banged one. Doesnt really have anything to do with anything, just that I remembered it when thinking about instances of homosexuality in TNG.
 

Jaepheth

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I think there was something going on between Data and the Enterprise...

Does that count?

I suppose it wouldn't since the Enterprise was probably female (having had a baby and all)
 

MongGrel

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The whole show when it originated in the 60's was so cutting edge as far a racially things go it was beyond about anything else.

Must be a joke post.
 

Paratus

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There was a lot weird stuff on that show. I mean what's going on here?
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Just look at this!
http://youtu.be/ReOw_2f4lpY
 

SirStev0

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I think there was something going on between Data and the Enterprise...

Does that count?

I suppose it wouldn't since the Enterprise was probably female (having had a baby and all)

I was going to say I think I saw something like this before.. but then I realized it was the Futurama episode when Bender dates and dumps the Planet Express Ship.
 

Childs

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If you want a reason to explain it, in TOS they had rehabilitation machine that they used on prisoners. Very easy to apply that tech to people who do things you dont agree with.
 

SP33Demon

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Star Trek actually did that kind of thing a lot, except they used aliens to represent modern day or historical groups. The thing with homosexuals is there very well could have been some on the show, but it wouldnt really matter. They didnt have storylines for Uhura or Sulu to call out that they werent white, they were simply part of the crew. I think the only main characters that had those kinds of stories were Spock and Worf, but again, they were aliens. Spock was unique in that he dealt with racism more from humans than Vulcans or Romulans. That probably says something in itself. You can almost use Spock to represent any group. Its easier to use aliens for controversial topics because no one in real life can say FU for taking a stance.

And really, homosexuals characters on TV is a relatively recent thing. Its kinda surprising Start Trek wasnt the first to do it, but it probably illustrates how taboo is was. And I dont think homosexuals wanting representation on Star Trek is a PC thing, they just want to be included like everyone else. Most people dont think inclusion is a big deal unless they were the ones being excluded, even if it was unintentional.

I vaguely remember a TNG episode where the alien species were androgynous. I think they all looked like women, but they switched back and forth sexually depending on whats needed. I think Riker banged one. Doesnt really have anything to do with anything, just that I remembered it when thinking about instances of homosexuality in TNG.

If the alien species can change back and forth sexually then I don't see how that makes Riker banging one a controversy, unless it was in male form when he banged it.
 

Childs

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If the alien species can change back and forth sexually then I don't see how that makes Riker banging one a controversy, unless it was in male form when he banged it.

I dont think they explained exactly how they changed back and forth. Best case scenario they were like hermaphrodites. Since I dont remember the episode all that well, I'm going with a planet full of ladyboys.
 

Ruptga

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I dont think they explained exactly how they changed back and forth. Best case scenario they were like hermaphrodites. Since I dont remember the episode all that well, I'm going with a planet full of ladyboys.

http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Outcast_(episode)

They didn't change, they simply had no gender. Individuals that developed a gender identity were considered unnatural and were psychologically altered to fix that.
 
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flexy

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It might be simply because back then in the late 80s, early 90s when TNG started, networks were not obsessed with this "urgency" to display PC and "equality" like on today's so-called "reality TV" shows. There was simply not "need" to have a homosexual in the show, and frankly no-one gave a hoot there wasn't.

On the other hand, TNG was rather progressive (yeah I mean it), with other stuff, touching subjects like religion, morals etc. but often in subtle ways.
 

disappoint

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why does what happens in a fictional TV show need to be explained?

Exactly my point above. There may not be an explanation. It's very likely no one wrote one. Even if they did, it would still be something someone just made up. It's all fictional after all.

I know that's obvious, but it's funny to me how people treat fiction the same as reality, looking up history on it as if it means much.