How to explain the lack of Homosexuals in the Star Trek Universe? The Eugenic's Wars?

[DaveSimmons]

TNG began in 1987.

Will and Grace didn't air until 1998, 11 years later.

The suits at the studio in 1987 wanted to play it safe and not offend too much of the middle American audience. Had TNG started in 2000 then Riker would probably have been a man's man instead of a ladies' man.

 

[shortylickens]

I think it was more impressive that they hired a woman as the lead character of a show (that wasn't a soap opera or Golden Girls).

I noticed TNG had some Women Admirals, but they were never for more than an episode or more.

But as far as lead characters, there was Deanna (whines/has huge knockers) and Crusher (mother of Wesley, automatically makes her less likable).
And Poor Tosha got smoked out of no where.

DONT FORGET WHOOPI!!!


:awe:

 

[disappoint]

I especially like that you're now resorting to the classic internet ... "Lol, your mad, bro. Lol I trolled you, bro. Lol, bro"

I didn't troll you. I was studying you. I gave you a dose of reality to see what your reaction would be.

I wonder if in the future the U.S. govt. will convene a governing body like the FDA for information instead of food and drugs...:sneaky:

 

[SirStev0]

DONT FORGET WHOOPI!!!


:awe:

I remember Whoopi being more Q-like, then she's been thus far. But her species choose not to flaunt it. Think that would have been cool.


Speaking of Q, one of the more ballsy-ist things they did was having an episode pretty much every season (thus far, have a lot to go), where Picard basically tells god (well, a god-like, if douchey being) to go pound sand.
Every Q episode, even though he can basically do anything he wants, there is a solid 5 minutes of dialogue where Picards like... "No, Not today, Q. fuck off, Q." Even though it is obvious that he can't do shit about it.

Not to mention Q legitimately seems to enjoy humanity and likes to fuck with it just because he can, but usually not maliciously.

He could easily be a kid with a magnify glass burning down ants, instead he's more like a kid with a laser pointer making the cat run into the walls.

In my viewing, he just recently took off with Picard's lady friend to travel the universe. Because, again, humans turned out to be interesting. Thought that was a slight Doctor Who reference.

 

[SirStev0]

I didn't troll you. I was studying you. I gave you a dose of reality to see what your reaction would be.

I wonder if in the future the U.S. govt. will convene a governing body like the FDA for information instead of food and drugs...:sneaky:

Dude, stop. Just stop and save what face you have left.

Now you're playing the "I was just being a douche to see how'd you act, lol" card. No ones falling for it. We've been around this place for a while. Seen it all.
There were people who did this way better than you.
They were much better at it.

Everyone knows this.

 

[sdifox]

Interesting take on why Star Trek didn't have a gay character on TOS by George Takei.

http://roygbiv.jezebel.com/george-takei-star-treks-audience-wasnt-ready-for-a-gay-1723105694

That is about what I figured.

 

[sdifox]

American TV.
It was already seen plenty in Europe.

You mean the nation founded by Puritans that deemed Europe too liberal and had to move?

 

[SP33Demon]

I also really liked the whole story line of the Eugenic's Wars (as I understand them, I know like most mainstream nerd stories there is a huge amount of editional media).
http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Eugenics_Wars

Mostly because it sets up the very awesome Wrath of Khan, but also as both a cool concept and a really interesting device for the story telling.

The idea of humanity overcoming a past filled with genetic engineering and on the brink of destruction to form a more perfect society after a dark age is a pretty cool backstory.

As a device for story telling, it allows a quick explanation why humanity has not completely cured all diseases, or allowed for uniqueness.

Hell it explains why they never got around to fixing Male Pattern Baldness... They had tried all that once before and almost destroyed the species.

Possibly alternatives to heterosexuality was something that they changed and permanently lost.

For the story, its better than some fat cat producers didn't want to scare away the predominately male audience with a gay dude.

You sound like a pretty nerdy dude, so let's introduce some logic into the equation. 1.6% of people in this country identify as gay or lesbian. That means 98.4% of the population is straight. Apply this 98.4% of the time to the Star Trek cast. It doesn't matter that it's the future, what matters is that the gay gene only occurs 1.6% of the time. Furthermore, you may ask why men or women on Star Trek don't have similar sexual preferences in the future. This is because science has now proven that men and women have distinct sexual preferences and are completely wired differently, just as only 1.6% of us are wired to be gay.
http://news.utexas.edu/2015/08/06/genders-differ-dramatically-in-evolved-mate-preferences

Statistical odds aren't rocket science.

 

[Paratus]

What might it have been like if there had been a gay character on TNG....

http://youtu.be/dm_0YgTbIDM

 

[waggy]

What might it have been like if there had been a gay character on TNG....

http://youtu.be/dm_0YgTbIDM

hahahah that was good.


I always thought picard may bisexual. as for gay? i always thought it would be funny for worf to be gay.

 

[K1052]

It doesn't matter that it's the future, what matters is that the gay gene only occurs 1.6% of the time.

Uh…there is some genetic linkage in part of the population but nothing that could be conclusively considered "the gay gene".

Also that sort of ignores the reality of bisexuality and fluidity of attraction, concepts which were indeed heavily exploited in a least one of the series (DS9).

 

[Hugo Drax]

I wonder if people would abort a kid if they had a test that would tell you of the kid will be gay when they are born.

 

[Sonikku]

https://youtu.be/2lZayNvimSU?t=135

 

[K1052]

I wonder if people would abort a kid if they had a test that would tell you of the kid will be gay when they are born.

Now there is a conundrum for social conservatives.

 

[CZroe]

Now there is a conundrum for social conservatives.

As if there isn't enough baseless vitriol. Do "Conservatives" advocate killing heterosexuals who have sex outside of marriage? No. There is a difference between endorsing what they believe to be a sin and wanting sinners dead. They want sinners forgiven so that they can have eternal life and you characterize them as murderous gay-haters. They aren't cartoon character villains like V for Vendetta makes hem out to be.

 

[Childs]

I always thought TNG in general was gay.

 

[SlickSnake]

(possibly NSFW if you are a homophobe at work and are offended by the word GAY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xmKwkX9L5Y

:awe::wub:

And, there was a scene I recall (but I'm, not sure what episode it was) where Picard woke up in bed, and they briefly showed Geordi's visor sitting on the nightstand by the bed.

 

[K1052]

As if there isn't enough baseless vitriol. Do "Conservatives" advocate killing heterosexuals who have sex outside of marriage? No. There is a difference between endorsing what they believe to be a sin and wanting sinners dead. They want sinners forgiven so that they can have eternal life and you characterize them as murderous gay-haters. They aren't cartoon character villains like V for Vendetta makes hem out to be.

I meant that as a joke actually but I see someone has quite the persecution complex.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I do tend to think of people as "heterosexual until proven otherwise". Statistically speaking it seems to be safest way to go. In a world where there is no big push to include a token gay character in everything, writers probably wrote like that too. When they conceived of their characters they were all heterosexual because it simply didn't occur to them to make them otherwise.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I thought I remember them implying Tasha Yar was gay. Don't ask me for evidence it was far too long ago.

 

[SirStev0]

You sound like a pretty nerdy dude, so let's introduce some logic into the equation. 1.6% of people in this country identify as gay or lesbian. That means 98.4% of the population is straight. Apply this 98.4% of the time to the Star Trek cast. It doesn't matter that it's the future, what matters is that the gay gene only occurs 1.6% of the time. Furthermore, you may ask why men or women on Star Trek don't have similar sexual preferences in the future. This is because science has now proven that men and women have distinct sexual preferences and are completely wired differently, just as only 1.6% of us are wired to be gay.
http://news.utexas.edu/2015/08/06/genders-differ-dramatically-in-evolved-mate-preferences

Statistical odds aren't rocket science.

That's an interesting way to look at it. I overestimated the number of Americans who identify as homosexual. I would have said closer to 5-7%. Wikipedia supports your numbers.
They also quote another poll that around 8% engage in homosexual activity and 11% admit to same sex sexual attraction.
More than anything the bisexual number is way lower than I would have guessed.

Poll seems legit, wonder if the numbers are skewed a bit by "closeted", but still can't change it significantly.

Wonder how the numbers change when it's looked at by age.. It may just be my own bias, but current 18-30 gay population seems way more than 2%ish.

 

[SirStev0]

I thought I remember them implying Tasha Yar was gay. Don't ask me for evidence it was far too long ago.

Tasha is the reason we know Data is "fully functional". She'd have to swing for both teams.

 

[JulesMaximus]

It's a TV show.

Maybe Gene Roddenberry was a homophobe?

 

[K1052]

Tasha is the reason we know Data is "fully functional". She'd have to swing for both teams.

Her charter didn't get a ton of development before she left though alternate timeline Tasha also wanted to get down with that male lieutenant from the Enterprise-C.

 

[mrjminer]

Or maybe not everything needs to have PC injected into it for absolutely no reason other than to "represent gays" or some other nonsense? Most of the black people in Star Trek were Klingons, often represented as brutes and mongrols, so I guess that means that Star Trek was made by the KKK? I also don't remember any time in Star Trek where the struggles of the common Scandanavian in modern times was brought to the forefront of the storyline, but I guess that's just not a PC issue.

Anyways, DS9, episode where Dax is visited by her (/his) wife when she was a man, and they have sex. There was a big deal about it in the episode not because they were both females at the time, but because Trills are supposed to move on from their past spouses when they change hosts. DS9, lesbianism confirmed, /thread