How to connect amp to Yamaha RX-V671?

[Pantlegz]

So, I'm upgrading my mains from Polk Monitor 70's to Polk Rti12's since they were massively discounted on Newegg's ebay store. After a bit of looking around it seems to be the consensus that I'm going to need an amp to really get use out of the new speakers, which isn't a big deal. After a bit more searching it seems that the crown xls 2500 would be a good match. So my question is how the hell do I connect it to the receiver? This seems like it should be a simple question but after a good bit of googling without any real answer I figured I'd see if anyone had suggestions. Could is be as simple as connecting the audio out to the amp via rca? Obviously the receiver isn't going to last much longer because sooner or later I'm going to need to replace the monitor 70's I have setup as surrounds and whatever takes their place will probably need another amp which this doesn't support but I'd rather not turn a $440 speaker purchase into a ~$2000 speaker/amp/receiver purchase - at least not all at once if I can help it.

receiver:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/916BXSgY+eL._SL1500_.jpg
amp:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61924l2NWiL._SL1200_.jpg

 

[nsafreak]

The problem is that the RX-V671 does not convert digital audio to analog audio for those outputs. It would only work for sources that you have coming in that are analog which I'm guessing you may not have any or many of. Looks like you're going to need to get a new receiver as well if you want to fully drive those speakers. You may want to consider purchasing one with pre-amp outs should this happen again.

 

[Pantlegz]

The problem is that the RX-V671 does not convert digital audio to analog audio for those outputs. It would only work for sources that you have coming in that are analog which I'm guessing you may not have any or many of. Looks like you're going to need to get a new receiver as well if you want to fully drive those speakers. You may want to consider purchasing one with pre-amp outs should this happen again.

Damn, that blows. I was looking at receivers with pre-outs which from what I can find will run me around $750-$1000. So, the question now becomes, do I bi-amp the Rti12's and see if that's good enough for now or do I just go full blows upgrade mode with black friday right around the corner? Can't do both because the speakers wont be here until the 30th.

Suggestions on receivers 7.1 or 7.2 with pre-outs for every channel?

 

[JeffMD]

Pant, I haven't come across any receivers that do both amp and preamp outs for multi channel setups. I think you are going to need to upgrade your receiver to something a little more powerful. I'm not sure what you were thinking, you bought 500 watt speakers, you need a setup that is doing 500 watts a channel. -_-

 

[nsafreak]

Well there are receivers that will do the pre-amp portion but some of them are fairly expensive, such as the Marantz AV7702 MKII, which runs around $2,200. Many of the Harmon Kardon avrs will as well unfortunately it looks like HK hasn't updated in a while since there aren't any that have HDMI 2.0 for 4K support which I'm sure you want to have now if not for the future. I looked through Denon's lineup and oddly enough even their flagships do not have pre-outs which I find to be rather odd. There is the Onkyo TX-RZ800 which does have pre-amp outputs along with amp outputs and runs $1,200 which seems to be the least expensive option that I've found.

 

[Pantlegz]

What are your thoughts on something more like http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-V777BT-7-2-channel-Receiver-Bluetooth/dp/B00ILCS164?

 

[Pantlegz]

Pant, I haven't come across any receivers that do both amp and preamp outs for multi channel setups. I think you are going to need to upgrade your receiver to something a little more powerful. I'm not sure what you were thinking, you bought 500 watt speakers, you need a setup that is doing 500 watts a channel. -_-

Well, I was thinking adding an external amp shouldn't be that big of a deal. Do receivers really only do one or the other? if I run pre-out's the internal amp wont power speakers on other channels?

 

[nsafreak]

What are your thoughts on something more like http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-V777BT-7-2-channel-Receiver-Bluetooth/dp/B00ILCS164?

That looks like a pretty decent unit, I haven't been able to find out if it supports HDCP 2.2 but since it's a pretty new unit I would hope that's the case. Most avrs that I've come across will continue to send output to the other channels that do not have pre-amps hooked up to them to respond to your question below this original post.

 

[Accord99]

Personally, I would just run it with your current Yamaha. I'd expect in any reasonable sized listening room it'll still be able to get much louder than is bearable and using the money for a nice subwoofer will make far more difference than modestly louder amps.

 

[razel]

Damn, that blows. I was looking at receivers with pre-outs which from what I can find will run me around $750-$1000. So, the question now becomes, do I bi-amp the Rti12's and see if that's good enough for now or do I just go full blows upgrade mode with black friday right around the corner? Can't do both because the speakers wont be here until the 30th.

Suggestions on receivers 7.1 or 7.2 with pre-outs for every channel?

I envy your Crown amp! I just recently bought a new receiver and pre-outs were my main buying decision. The cheapest receivers with pre-outs and next gen surround/HDMI (DTSX/Atmos) decoders are the Marantz NR1606 and NAD (something). Cheapest price for the Marantz was ~$500 off Amazon. I am beyond happy with it. I think you missed the Yamaha pre-out by one model. I think the v7xx is when pre-outs begin to appear.

 

[Anubis]

if you need an amp with preouts and don't mind buying used you can find some good deal.

wink wink I have one


also per your question, it depends on the AVR but for most of them if you are using yoru LCR preouts you wont be using the LCR amps of the AVR at the same time

you can however use the LCR preouts and use the AVR to power the surrounds or heights or whatever. some models get more creative with what you can and cant do with preouts + AVR power

FWIW I use my LCR preouts to an external amp and use the AVR to power the rear LR

 

[Pantlegz]

I envy your Crown amp! I just recently bought a new receiver and pre-outs were my main buying decision. The cheapest receivers with pre-outs and next gen surround/HDMI (DTSX/Atmos) decoders are the Marantz NR1606 and NAD (something). Cheapest price for the Marantz was ~$500 off Amazon. I am beyond happy with it. I think you missed the Yamaha pre-out by one model. I think the v7xx is when pre-outs begin to appear.

It's even worse if you're looking for both pre-outs and hdcp 2.2 because I don't want to drop 600+ this year then get screwed in a couple years when 4k becomes more prevalent.

if you need an amp with preouts and don't mind buying used you can find some good deal.

wink wink I have one


also per your question, it depends on the AVR but for most of them if you are using yoru LCR preouts you wont be using the LCR amps of the AVR at the same time

you can however use the LCR preouts and use the AVR to power the surrounds or heights or whatever. some models get more creative with what you can and cant do with preouts + AVR power

FWIW I use my LCR preouts to an external amp and use the AVR to power the rear LR

is it hdcp 2.2? If so, there's a good chance I'd be interested. If not it really depends on what you've got and how much. If you rather you can just shoot me a PM.

I kind of figured if I was using pre-out for a channel that the receiver probably wouldn't power that channel but that's fine with me, I don't need that many speakers.

 

[razel]

The NR1606 is HDCP 2.2. It sounds like you just might need to do more shopping.

 

[Anubis]

It's even worse if you're looking for both pre-outs and hdcp 2.2 because I don't want to drop 600+ this year then get screwed in a couple years when 4k becomes more prevalent.



is it hdcp 2.2? If so, there's a good chance I'd be interested. If not it really depends on what you've got and how much. If you rather you can just shoot me a PM.

I kind of figured if I was using pre-out for a channel that the receiver probably wouldn't power that channel but that's fine with me, I don't need that many speakers.

no idea about what HDCP version it has

Yamaha RX-A3000

 

[Pantlegz]

The NR1606 is HDCP 2.2. It sounds like you just might need to do more shopping.

It's $700 and only does 1.2 pre-out, or I could spend $800(RX-V779) and get 7.2 pre-out. I've done tons of looking around and $800-$1,100 seems to be the sweet spot for hdcp 2.2 and a decent number of pre-outs. I'd much rather buy a receiver and have it last 5+ years then spend 500-700 then need to upgrade due to either lack of hdcp 2.2(which may be replaced by then) or needing additional pre-out channels. Front and surround or rear are the only channels I can see needing an amp for, center/height or additional surrounds I think I can let the receiver handle because I don't really want to fork over the extra cash to get 7+.2 pre-out.

 

[Pantlegz]

no idea about what HDCP version it has

Yamaha RX-A3000

I mean, it could hold me over because it doesn't look like it has hdcp 2.2 but to be perfectly honest I wouldn't want to pay a lot for it because I know it would only get used for a year or 2. Let me know what you'd want for it and I'll see if we can work something out.

 

[Anubis]

what do you need HDCP 2.2 for anyway im curious

 

[Pantlegz]

4k copy protected content pass-through. I've got a feeling the the prices of 4k TV's dropping we'll be seeing a lot more 4k content sooner than later.