How to combat terrorism

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Rainsford

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First of all, you're idea certainly isn't repeating the "Bush doctrine". I'm not convinced he even HAS a doctrine of any kind for fighting terrorism, but if he did, it certainly wouldn't be attacking countries known to harbor terrorists. So far we've gone after one, spent a lot more effort on a country that WASN'T harboring them, and made "friends" with several countries that are well known for harboring terrorists to one extent or another (Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are at the top of that list).

But nevermind that, on to your idea. It sounds great on the surface, and in some situations it might work. But how does one separate the situations where terrorists are simply good at hiding among a population trying to root them out and situations where the government is actually helping them? It's not as obvious as you might think, and I hate to trust that kind of doctrine to governments (ours and Israel's) that have shown a great willingness to shoot first and figure things out later. And what about the less than black and white situations? Saudi Arabia does not directly support terrorists (as far as we know), but they don't try very hard to hunt them down either. Is that enough to warrant some intensive bombing...or do we just ask them to try harder?

The problem with fighting terrorism is that everyone wants the situation to be black and white. But fighting terrorists is not analogous to fighting nation states, and no amount of creative doctrines will make it so. I think our best bet is to hunt down terrorists as individuals, and save the massive military assaults for clear cut situations of ongoing and pervasive national support (like Afghanistan). Sure, it doesn't satisfy our desire for a clean solution, but I think it has the best chance of working without making the situation worse in the long run. Israel's current assault on Lebanon is a perfect example of your doctrine at work...and while it may satisfy the desire to kick some ass, it's going to come back to haunt them. Not because it won't kill terrorists, but because it will make peace far more difficult with Muslims who AREN'T terrorists.
 

piasabird

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So the US should attack itself?

It is not clear how many accomplices McVeigh had. There was a reporter that said she had evidence that the Federal Building was blown up with help from operatives from Iraq.
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: Thera
So all us Americans should be punished because the US harbored Timothy Mcveigh?
Don't forget Posada. The US is still keeping him here and not extraditing him even though he's a terrorist.

As for the OP, well, there's no emoticon for cow chips.
 

trance247

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private mercs, very well paid extremely skilled cold blooded patriotic killers, well funded and equipped and being able to buy really good intel, everyone has a price...best part, "they don't exist" policy applies
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: piasabird
So the US should attack itself?

It is not clear how many accomplices McVeigh had.

There was a reporter that said she had evidence that the Federal Building was blown up with help from operatives from Iraq.

Proof? Link?

This is getting as old as It's still all Clinton's fault.
 

bamacre

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Jul 1, 2004
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The best way to combat terrorism is to put human dignity ahead of profits!

Unfortunately, capitalism doesn't call for that.
 

Islamistani

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The best way to stop terrorism is give everyone a job, a job outside of armed forces. If they're busy working for money, they wouldnt care dropping bombs and killing 200+ civilians or strapping bombs around themselves and killing 20+ civilians.
 

FrancesBeansRevenge

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If only this doctrine existed 20 years ago the Brits could have attacked the US for the massive flow of money to the IRA from Irish-American supporters and allowing an IRA radio station to broadcast out of New York.

Also the Latin American countries can band together and attack the US for running School of the Americas which has trained men responsible for quite a few terrorist attacks/campaigns in the region.
BTW, we still run that school. Gee, I wonder why Fort Benning, Georgia isn't on our list of places that harbor terrorists?

Of course, I doubt we would be very supportive of this doctrine if it's pointed at us. :D :p
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Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The best way to combat terrorism is to put human dignity ahead of profits!

What an astonishingly piquant and insightful comment. It says it all so well in my opinion.
 

Meuge

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Originally posted by: OrByte
how to fight terrorism?

1. get off the oil teet of the middle east
2. ignore the dumb bastards.

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YES!!! YES!!! YES!!!

Economic pressure is the only effective way of combating terrorism. If they stopped making oil money, they'd have to create their own economy. If they had to create their own economy, they'd have to educate their population. If their population became educated they'd reproduce less, be more content, and realize that their leaders are scapegoating bastards. There, problem solved.
 

jrenz

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The best way to combat terrorism is to put human dignity ahead of profits!

That only works when the Muslim terrorists develop a sense of human dignity.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The best way to combat terrorism is to put human dignity ahead of profits!

That only works when the Muslim terrorists develop a sense of human dignity.
It goes for all Bubba.

 

GrGr

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The best way to combat terrorism is to put human dignity ahead of profits!

What an astonishingly piquant and insightful comment. It says it all so well in my opinion.

But what about the Great American Dream? It is all about striking it rich and getting the most profit is it not?

 

bamacre

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Jul 1, 2004
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Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The best way to combat terrorism is to put human dignity ahead of profits!

What an astonishingly piquant and insightful comment. It says it all so well in my opinion.

But what about the Great American Dream? It is all about striking it rich and getting the most profit is it not?

In the opinion of some, certainly. But not for all, that I am sure of as well.
 

ebaycj

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Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The best way to combat terrorism is to put human dignity ahead of profits!

What an astonishingly piquant and insightful comment. It says it all so well in my opinion.

But what about the Great American Dream? It is all about striking it rich and getting the most profit is it not?


The GAD is Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. Striking it rich helps to accellerate part III of the GAD. Getting the most profit has everything to do with GREED, which is to say that it has nothing to do with the GAD.
 

PELarson

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: piasabird
So the US should attack itself?

It is not clear how many accomplices McVeigh had.

There was a reporter that said she had evidence that the Federal Building was blown up with help from operatives from Iraq.

Proof? Link?

This is getting as old as It's still all Clinton's fault.

Everything is Clinton's fault whether it occurred before he was elected, Ruby Ridge, or 7+ months after he left office, 9/11.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The best way to combat terrorism is to put human dignity ahead of profits!

That only works when the Muslim terrorists develop a sense of human dignity.

You are upside down. They have no dignity because their dignity was destroyed by indignities all of their early life. Natural dignity is every human's birth right. This is why the religious believe that God loves us. Whether God creates dignity or dignity creates God nobody can say nor does it really matter. Terrorism is the disease that believes that dignity can be achieved by terror. To the sick, negative respect is better than no respect at all.