how to catch a thief

ZippyDan

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I live in a country where theft is common

I am also a careless and stupid person so ...

2 months ago my phone was stolen while on vacation. After 6 weeks of work and two return trips to the location and lots of my own primitive detective work, I was able to recover the phone about a week ago and more importantly thousands of lost priceless pictures, with the local police's help.

Just 6 days later, I was walking down a street here with my laptop in a bag in my hand. A motorcycle with two men on it zipped past me from behind, and snatched the bag away at high speed.

To add insult to injury, all the pictures I had recovered from my phone were stored on that laptop, along with thousands MORE from the months before. I also had the 32gb flash card from my DSLR camera inside of the laptop (filled with more pictures, yes). All my work, seemingly wasted.

It was dark, motorcycle tags are tiny, and they had no license plate light. I failed to get a description of the riders or the motorcycle (but I have been pursuing CCTV evidence with little success so far). I reported the theft to the police, though they are little help without any evidence, because I figured i might need their assistance should I acquire any leads.

I have prey installed on the laptop (preyproject.com), but after 3 days it seems they have not connected it to the internet yet. To make matters worse, some reporter printed a news story in the national paper about my theft, where he enlightens the entire populace about the anti-theft software on the laptop. I was not interviewed or informed that I would be in the paper (apparently the reporter interviewed a police officer). Thanks so much!

Anyways, I am trying to pursue other means of catching the thieves and recovering my goods and memories. The area where the theft happened is apparently a prime spot for this kind of thievery (I wish I had known that beforehand). If they did this once, they will probably do it again. Aside from scouring the CCTV data, I had another idea to basically conduct a stakeout and take note of suspicious motorcycles circling the area. But that would be terribly time consuming and inconclusive.

Then i had a better idea. Setup my own sting operation. I just need some bait (walk the streets at night with a laptop bag again) and then some kind of follow-through. Here is where I am hoping some collective thoughts from AT might help perfect my idea. Assuming the thieves fall for the bait, what then?

Options:

1. A friend is nearby in a car or motorcycle and gives pursuit long enough to get a description and license plate number? This could be potentially dangerous for the friend and unreliable: what if he doesn't see the theft and react in time? What if he isn't able to see the plate? Most problematic: where can I find a friend with a vehicle willing to potentially spend hours on the street as my backup? Only I have the motivation and interest to invest the time necessary for this plan to work ...

2. Some kind of tracking device? Can I pick up a cheap phone with GPS and 3G internet and a really long-lasting battery, sew it to the inside of the bag, and then track the thieves to their den? This seems like the least dangerous idea as I can simply bring the police in after I've located their criminal HQ and it is also the easiest as I don't need a partner. But after using GPS on many of my own phones, I know it is sometimes only reliable down to a block, though my newer iPhone5 seems to be more accurate than older phones. But how much do I want to spend on a tracking device that might be forever lost? I'd also have to include some kind of real laptop with this idea, or the thieves would just toss the "empty" bag...

3. Some kind of stunning device? This is probably the least realistic option. But I'd love to have some kind of "bomb" in the bag that would stun the riders long enough for them to be aprehended. I wouldn't want to permanently injure them, and it would need some kind of remote detonator, so ... this is probably a little too Hollywood to actually work.

If you want to convince me not to try this: don't bother. I'm aware it could end up being very dangerous. But these memories are worth the risk and effort to me. I plan to inform the police of my plan if and when it is ready, and to have some direct contact with the inspector in case I need backup. Maybe they will even offer to help with my idea, though I doubt it. What I need is your help to make my plan better and as safe as possible!

Ideally my plan would have redundancy (like option 1 and 2 together). Can anyone recommend a good tracking solution (small and easily hidden, long-battery life, accurate, and cheap?)

Thanks.
 

olds

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Stand next to the road by a light pole.
Have laptop bag in hand.
Have cable running from laptop bag to light pole.
Stand with back to traffic like you are waiting for someone.
Die from laughter when someone on motorcycle grabs the bag.
 

ZippyDan

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Stand next to the road by a light pole.
Have laptop bag in hand.
Have cable running from laptop bag to light pole.
Stand with back to traffic like you are waiting for someone.
Die from laughter when someone on motorcycle grabs the bag.

I'm honored by a reply from an AT veteran haha.

Perhaps you meant this as a joke, but this is actually a decent idea. I also see many drawbacks:

* If they aren't holding the bag tightly enough, then they will just lose the bag and keep going (the bag would effectively be ripped out of their hand).
* Even if it works, it only catches one of the two criminals: the passenger. The other criminal may return to help his friend, and the situation could escalate.
* It limits my mobility and might make the thieves suspicious. I don't know how these guys operate, but if they make many passes to scout the victim, they might start to wonder why I am just standing in one spot. I would rather be constantly moving and walking aroud the area.
* They might see the cable. :p
 

olds

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I meant it as a joke.

Why is the NYPD calling me? :confused:
 
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T_Yamamoto

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Just shoot the thief. Isn't that how Americans solve their problems? :wub:

You're probably not going to get it back.

Here's a solution: be more careful.
 

ZippyDan

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Just shoot the thief. Isn't that how Americans solve their problems? :wub:

You're probably not going to get it back.

Here's a solution: be more careful.

I'm not in America.

I'm not out to kill anyone.

Everyone said the same thing about my lost phone ("you're probably not going to get it back") and yet, I'm holding it right now after 2 months.

Your post is not helpful.

:(
 
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Agent11

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Best bet would be to check pawn shops and classifieds for that model of laptop I would imagine.
 

T_Yamamoto

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I'm not in America.

I'm not out to kill anyone.

Everyone said the same thing about my lost phone ("you're probably not going to get it back") and yet, I'm holding it right now after 2 months.

Your post is not helpful.

:(

Oh. I assumed you live in the states.

Well just be careful. Isn't that the easiest solution?
 

CZroe

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Back in early 2001 my imported Gameboy Advance was in the back seat of our car when my brother drove a former friend to another neighborhood. That guy hadn't hung out with us since we were kids but he just showed up out of the blue one day asking for a ride. When the guy got in the passenger seat my brother heard the back door open and close too: our old old friend brought a stranger we didn't know. We didn't even trust the one we did know after drifting apart as children (he had probably been in prison), but my brother did not know what was in the back seat and did not have eyes behind his head.

When I woke up for a graveyard shift that night my brother asked about the GBA and I told him where it was. It had a rare and valuable gold Gameboy Camera in the pouch as well, so I freaked out when he told me that a stranger was back there and now it's gone. He dropped them off on the street, no house in particular, so I went to the neighborhood and started asking random people if they knew where I could find the one guy who's name I knew. I never found him, but I did find the crackhead brother of the crackhead who stole the GBA ("brother" story doubted but later confirmed). The dude probably thought I knew more than I did and was scared I would get him or his brother in trouble, so I did get it back. I didn't even have to trade crack or cash for it, though I did have to give the loser a ride to the place where it was.

I just think it's crazy that I never even saw the guy who took it and had nothing more than a neighborhood and an acquaintance's name to go on and yet I managed to get it all back. :) I had no idea who I was dealing with and very easily could have gone looking in the wrong places and started things with the wrong people.
 
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Skeeedunt

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Keep in mind they may have already wiped your hard drive. If this is a coordinated effort, and your spyjack hasn't reported in yet, it could all be long gone.

That being said, throw a net at them.
 

ZippyDan

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Keep in mind they may have already wiped your hard drive. If this is a coordinated effort, and your spyjack hasn't reported in yet, it could all be long gone.

That being said, throw a net at them.

Yes, I'm well aware of that.

But data is still recoverable even after it has been "wiped".

And catching these bastards is still a worthy goal in and of itself.
 

Baked

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I'd install a remote triggered bomb inside your laptop bag and activate the bomb if somebody tries to steal it next time.
 

sixone

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I like the bait idea. What you need is a friend to sit down at the end of the street where the motorcycle came from, and photograph every license plate that goes by. May be a problem, if the tag isn't lit, tho.

Do you have access to a night vision scope?

The bag with a tracking device inside only works if they don't open the bag before they get back to their den. Unless you buy some cheap or broken laptops to put in the bag.
 

twinrider1

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Attend a large masquerade ball, wearing the mask of a Moor.
Slip away, and have a friend return to the dance in your place, wearing your costume.
Hide on your roof, and await the appearance of the thief.
 

sourceninja

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A phone is a bit different then a notebook computer. If I was to steal a notebook computer I would do two things right out of the gate.

1) Remove and image the hard drive for identity theft purposes later.
2) Re-image the notebook and sell it.

Tracking software wouldn't effect that and your only hope would be reporting the serial number to the police and having them check pawn shops (this happens in the US, but I don't know about other countries). But if it was me, I'd do a person to person sale on craigslist.

So basically, your screwed. Luckily, I'm not a thief.