How to break free?

Steeplerot

Lifer
Mar 29, 2004
13,051
6
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Dear Friends,

It is no surprise that the Republicans are sore winners. They have spent the better part of the past month beating their chests, threatening to send to Siberia any Republican who doesn?t toe the line (poor Arlen Specter), and promising everything short of martial law if the Democrats don?t do what they are told.

What?s worse is to watch the pathetic sight of the DLC (the conservative, pro-corporate group of Democrats) apologizing for being Democrats and promising to ?purge? the party of the likes of, well, all of US! Their comments are so hilarious and really not even worth recognizing but the media is paying so much attention to them, I thought it might be worth doing a little reality check.

The most people the DLC is able to get out to an event of theirs is about 200 at their annual dinner (where you have to pay thousands of dollars to get in).

Contrast this with the following:

* Total Members of Move On: More than 2,000,000
* Total Attendance at Vote for Change Concerts: An estimated 280,000
* Total Union Members in U.S.: Around 16,000,000
* Total Number of People Who Have Seen ?Fahrenheit 9/11?: Over 50 million
* Total Number of You Reading This: Perhaps 10 million or more

The days of trying to move the Democratic Party to the right are over. We lost a very close election (a one-state difference) by running the #1 liberal in the Senate. Not bad. The country is shifting in our direction, not to the right. But the country was attacked and people were scared. They were manipulated with fear. And America has never thrown a sitting president out during wartime. That?s the facts. Oh, and our candidate could have run a better campaign (but we?ll have that discussion another day).

In the meantime, while we reflect on what went wrong, I would like to pass on to you an essay that a friend who works with abuse victims sent to me. It was written by a woman who has spent years working as an advocate for victims of domestic abuse and she sees many parallels between her work and the reaction of many Democrats to last month?s election. Her name is Mel Giles and here is what she had to say?


Watch Dan Rather apologize for not getting his facts straight, humiliated before the eyes of America, voluntarily undermining his credibility and career of over thirty years. Observe Donna Brazille squirm as she is ridiculed by Bay Buchanan, and pronounced irrelevant and nearly non-existent. Listen as Donna and Nancy Pelosi and Senator Charles Schumer take to the airwaves saying that they have to go back to the drawing board and learn from their mistakes and try to be better, more likable, more appealing, have a stronger message, speak to morality. Watch them awkwardly quote the bible, trying to speak the ?new? language of America. Surf the blogs, and read the comments of dismayed, discombobulated, confused individuals trying to figure out what they did wrong. Hear the cacophony of voices, crying out, "Why did they beat me?"

And then ask anyone who has ever worked in a domestic violence shelter if they have heard this before.

They will tell you: Every single day.

The answer is quite simple. They beat us because they are abusers. We can call it hate. We can call it fear. We can say it is unfair. But we are looped into the cycle of violence, and we need to start calling the dominating side what they are: abusive. And we need to recognize that we are the victims of verbal, mental, and even, in the case of Iraq, physical violence.

As victims we can't stop asking ourselves what we did wrong. We can't seem to grasp that they will keep hitting us and beating us as long as we keep sticking around and asking ourselves what we are doing to deserve the beating.

Listen to George Bush say that the will of God excuses his behavior. Listen, as he refuses to take responsibility, or express remorse, or even once, admit a mistake. Watch him strut, and tell us that he will only work with those who agree with him, and that each of us is only allowed one question (soon, it will be none at all; abusers hit hard when questioned; the press corps can tell you that). See him surround himself with only those who pledge oaths of allegiance. Hear him tell us that if we will only listen and do as he says and agree with his every utterance, all will go well for us (it won't; we will never be worthy).

And watch the Democratic Party leadership walk on eggshells, try to meet him, please him, wash the windows better, get out that spot, distance themselves from gays and civil rights. See the Democrats cry for the attention and affection and approval of the President and his followers. Watch us squirm. Watch us descend into a world of crazy-making, where logic does not work and the other side tells us we are nuts when we rely on facts. A world where, worst of all, we begin to believe we are crazy.

How to break free? Again, the answer is quite simple.

First, you must admit you are a victim. Then, you must declare the state of affairs unacceptable. Next, you must promise to protect yourself and everyone around you that is being victimized. You don't do this by responding to their demands, or becoming more like them, or engaging in logical conversation, or trying to persuade them that you are right. You also don't do this by going catatonic and resigned, by closing up your ears and eyes and covering your head and submitting to the blows, figuring its over faster and hurts less if you don't resist and fight back.

Instead, you walk away. You find other folks like yourself, 57 million of them, who are hurting, broken, and beating themselves up. You tell them what you've learned, and that you aren't going to take it anymore. You stand tall, with 57 million people at your side and behind you, and you look right into the eyes of the abuser and you tell him to go to hell. Then you walk out the door, taking the kids and gays and minorities with you, and you start a new life. The new life is hard. But it's better than the abuse.

We have a mandate to be as radical and liberal and steadfast as we need to be. The progressive beliefs and social justice we stand for, our core, must not be altered. We are 57 million strong. We are building from the bottom up. We are meeting, on the net, in church basements, at work, in small groups, and right now, we are crying, because we are trying to break free and we don't know how.

Any battered woman in America, any oppressed person around the globe who has defied her oppressor will tell you this: There is nothing wrong with you. You are in good company. You are safe. You are not alone. You are strong. You must change only one thing: Stop responding to the abuser.

Don't let him dictate the terms or frame the debate (he'll win, not because he's right, but because force works). Sure, we can build a better grassroots campaign, cultivate and raise up better leaders, reform the election system to make it fail-proof, stick to our message, learn from the strategy of the other side. But we absolutely must dispense with the notion that we are weak, godless, cowardly, disorganized, crazy, too liberal, naive, amoral, "loose,? irrelevant, outmoded, stupid and soon to be extinct. We have the mandate of the world to back us, and the legacy of oppressed people throughout history.

Even if you do everything right, they'll hit you anyway. Look at the poor souls who voted for this nonsense. They are working for six dollars an hour if they are working at all, their children are dying overseas and suffering from lack of health care and a depleted environment and a shoddy education.

And they don't even know they are being hit.


How true. And that is our challenge over the next couple of years; to hold out our hand to those being hit the hardest and help them leave behind a party that only seeks to keep beating them, their children, and the kid next door who?s on his way to Iraq.

Yours,

Michael Moore

<snipped the obvious plug for his movie he makes here.>




People love to bash this man and the right loves to hate him but he's no fool. Hold on,
Matter of fact he is spot on. Go MM!

IMO The DLC has completely lost touch of the left and is a serious issue that needs to be addressed before our next election time..
No more apologies.
 

charrison

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
17,033
1
81
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Dear Friends,

It is no surprise that the Republicans are sore winners. They have spent the better part of the past month beating their chests, threatening to send to Siberia any Republican who doesn?t toe the line (poor Arlen Specter), and promising everything short of martial law if the Democrats don?t do what they are told.

What?s worse is to watch the pathetic sight of the DLC (the conservative, pro-corporate group of Democrats) apologizing for being Democrats and promising to ?purge? the party of the likes of, well, all of US! Their comments are so hilarious and really not even worth recognizing but the media is paying so much attention to them, I thought it might be worth doing a little reality check.

The most people the DLC is able to get out to an event of theirs is about 200 at their annual dinner (where you have to pay thousands of dollars to get in).

Contrast this with the following:

* Total Members of Move On: More than 2,000,000
* Total Attendance at Vote for Change Concerts: An estimated 280,000
* Total Union Members in U.S.: Around 16,000,000
* Total Number of People Who Have Seen ?Fahrenheit 9/11?: Over 50 million
* Total Number of You Reading This: Perhaps 10 million or more

The days of trying to move the Democratic Party to the right are over. We lost a very close election (a one-state difference) by running the #1 liberal in the Senate. Not bad. The country is shifting in our direction, not to the right. But the country was attacked and people were scared. They were manipulated with fear. And America has never thrown a sitting president out during wartime. That?s the facts. Oh, and our candidate could have run a better campaign (but we?ll have that discussion another day).

In the meantime, while we reflect on what went wrong, I would like to pass on to you an essay that a friend who works with abuse victims sent to me. It was written by a woman who has spent years working as an advocate for victims of domestic abuse and she sees many parallels between her work and the reaction of many Democrats to last month?s election. Her name is Mel Giles and here is what she had to say?


Watch Dan Rather apologize for not getting his facts straight, humiliated before the eyes of America, voluntarily undermining his credibility and career of over thirty years. Observe Donna Brazille squirm as she is ridiculed by Bay Buchanan, and pronounced irrelevant and nearly non-existent. Listen as Donna and Nancy Pelosi and Senator Charles Schumer take to the airwaves saying that they have to go back to the drawing board and learn from their mistakes and try to be better, more likable, more appealing, have a stronger message, speak to morality. Watch them awkwardly quote the bible, trying to speak the ?new? language of America. Surf the blogs, and read the comments of dismayed, discombobulated, confused individuals trying to figure out what they did wrong. Hear the cacophony of voices, crying out, "Why did they beat me?"

And then ask anyone who has ever worked in a domestic violence shelter if they have heard this before.

They will tell you: Every single day.

The answer is quite simple. They beat us because they are abusers. We can call it hate. We can call it fear. We can say it is unfair. But we are looped into the cycle of violence, and we need to start calling the dominating side what they are: abusive. And we need to recognize that we are the victims of verbal, mental, and even, in the case of Iraq, physical violence.

As victims we can't stop asking ourselves what we did wrong. We can't seem to grasp that they will keep hitting us and beating us as long as we keep sticking around and asking ourselves what we are doing to deserve the beating.

Listen to George Bush say that the will of God excuses his behavior. Listen, as he refuses to take responsibility, or express remorse, or even once, admit a mistake. Watch him strut, and tell us that he will only work with those who agree with him, and that each of us is only allowed one question (soon, it will be none at all; abusers hit hard when questioned; the press corps can tell you that). See him surround himself with only those who pledge oaths of allegiance. Hear him tell us that if we will only listen and do as he says and agree with his every utterance, all will go well for us (it won't; we will never be worthy).

And watch the Democratic Party leadership walk on eggshells, try to meet him, please him, wash the windows better, get out that spot, distance themselves from gays and civil rights. See the Democrats cry for the attention and affection and approval of the President and his followers. Watch us squirm. Watch us descend into a world of crazy-making, where logic does not work and the other side tells us we are nuts when we rely on facts. A world where, worst of all, we begin to believe we are crazy.

How to break free? Again, the answer is quite simple.

First, you must admit you are a victim. Then, you must declare the state of affairs unacceptable. Next, you must promise to protect yourself and everyone around you that is being victimized. You don't do this by responding to their demands, or becoming more like them, or engaging in logical conversation, or trying to persuade them that you are right. You also don't do this by going catatonic and resigned, by closing up your ears and eyes and covering your head and submitting to the blows, figuring its over faster and hurts less if you don't resist and fight back.

Instead, you walk away. You find other folks like yourself, 57 million of them, who are hurting, broken, and beating themselves up. You tell them what you've learned, and that you aren't going to take it anymore. You stand tall, with 57 million people at your side and behind you, and you look right into the eyes of the abuser and you tell him to go to hell. Then you walk out the door, taking the kids and gays and minorities with you, and you start a new life. The new life is hard. But it's better than the abuse.

We have a mandate to be as radical and liberal and steadfast as we need to be. The progressive beliefs and social justice we stand for, our core, must not be altered. We are 57 million strong. We are building from the bottom up. We are meeting, on the net, in church basements, at work, in small groups, and right now, we are crying, because we are trying to break free and we don't know how.

Any battered woman in America, any oppressed person around the globe who has defied her oppressor will tell you this: There is nothing wrong with you. You are in good company. You are safe. You are not alone. You are strong. You must change only one thing: Stop responding to the abuser.

Don't let him dictate the terms or frame the debate (he'll win, not because he's right, but because force works). Sure, we can build a better grassroots campaign, cultivate and raise up better leaders, reform the election system to make it fail-proof, stick to our message, learn from the strategy of the other side. But we absolutely must dispense with the notion that we are weak, godless, cowardly, disorganized, crazy, too liberal, naive, amoral, "loose,? irrelevant, outmoded, stupid and soon to be extinct. We have the mandate of the world to back us, and the legacy of oppressed people throughout history.

Even if you do everything right, they'll hit you anyway. Look at the poor souls who voted for this nonsense. They are working for six dollars an hour if they are working at all, their children are dying overseas and suffering from lack of health care and a depleted environment and a shoddy education.

And they don't even know they are being hit.


How true. And that is our challenge over the next couple of years; to hold out our hand to those being hit the hardest and help them leave behind a party that only seeks to keep beating them, their children, and the kid next door who?s on his way to Iraq.

Yours,

Michael Moore

<snipped the obvious plug for his movie he makes here.>




People love to bash this man and the right loves to hate him but he's no fool. Hold on,
Matter of fact he is spot on. Go MM!

IMO The DLC has completely lost touch of the left and is a serious issue that needs to be addressed before our next election time..
No more apologies.



I can hardly wait for moveon to drag the party left.
 

Steeplerot

Lifer
Mar 29, 2004
13,051
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I can't see any dragging happening to a party that is misrepresented by corprate influence.
 

Leon

Platinum Member
Nov 14, 1999
2,215
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The country is shifting in our direction, not to the right

Yes, Mr. Moore. The shift is definately happening ... :D



House

1990 260 Democrats, 175 Republicans

1992 267 Democrats, 167 Republicans

1994 258 Democrats, 176 Republicans

....


...


2000 223 Republicans, 211 Democrats

2004 227 Republican, 205 Democrats



US Senate

1990

democrats 56 republicans 44

1992

democrats 57 republicans 43

1994

democrats 48 republicans 52

..

..

2000

democrats 50 republicans 50

2002

democrats 48 republicans 51

2004

democrats 44 republicans 55

 

Mookow

Lifer
Apr 24, 2001
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Prior to watching the Republicans abandon all pretext of fiscal responsibility, I would have said "Go ahead and shift left, it'll be fun to watch the Democratic Party die off as a relevant political body in American politics", because I think it is political suicide for the Dems. However, as recent events have shown, one party rule pretty well sucks, especially in regards to the budget, which makes a lot of "oink oink" noises. Since most people that vote Democrat arent going to vote for the LP, which would prevent it from stepping up to fill the void that the DP dying off would leave, for now I guess I'd like to see the Democrats stick around as a moderating force, except on a few issues.

However, all of this just goes to show you that some people are, in fact, dumber than plants.
 

Stunt

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Jul 17, 2002
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With regards to politics shifting left or right, it all depends on the circumstances.
Here in Canada, we have had massive surpluses many years in a row, had scandals in some gov't departments, there is a large population of the people who think their money is being mismanaged. Although, in contrast, they would like more money put into healthcare.
I see the Canadian political scene moving slightly right, but keeping core social programs like healthcare and welfare, less corporate subsidies and waste (smaller government), and tax cuts when the government can afford it.

In the US, i see a different picture...i see a lot of people not impressed with at least one area of the government (im not saying they hate everything going on) for example: social stance (christians are caring people and will accept gays as time progresses), war (people are not seeing the reasons for war...at least from a fiscal standpoint), taxes (the tax cuts may have seemed good at the time, but huge tax cuts are proving not to work, trickle down economics...sure), fiscal responsibility (massive deficits, huge debt, low dollar, potentially higher rates)

Now...the next 4 years are critical. If Bush can pull it out of the hole, he will have proven that tricle down economics, braving the fiscal storm and regime changes can occur...that neoconservatism can work (US stays right). If he does not pull it out...and things continue to erode...all this comes to a head...i think you will see a large number of people disenfranchised by the republicans.

This could start a movement to the left. Movement is only generated by people upset with the status quo.
The next 4 years will be critical.
 
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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Dear Friends,

It is no surprise that the Republicans are sore winners. They have spent the better part of the past month beating their chests, threatening to send to Siberia any Republican who doesn?t toe the line (poor Arlen Specter), and promising everything short of martial law if the Democrats don?t do what they are told.

What?s worse is to watch the pathetic sight of the DLC (the conservative, pro-corporate group of Democrats) apologizing for being Democrats and promising to ?purge? the party of the likes of, well, all of US! Their comments are so hilarious and really not even worth recognizing but the media is paying so much attention to them, I thought it might be worth doing a little reality check.

The most people the DLC is able to get out to an event of theirs is about 200 at their annual dinner (where you have to pay thousands of dollars to get in).

Contrast this with the following:

* Total Members of Move On: More than 2,000,000
* Total Attendance at Vote for Change Concerts: An estimated 280,000
* Total Union Members in U.S.: Around 16,000,000
* Total Number of People Who Have Seen ?Fahrenheit 9/11?: Over 50 million
* Total Number of You Reading This: Perhaps 10 million or more

The days of trying to move the Democratic Party to the right are over. We lost a very close election (a one-state difference) by running the #1 liberal in the Senate. Not bad. The country is shifting in our direction, not to the right. But the country was attacked and people were scared. They were manipulated with fear. And America has never thrown a sitting president out during wartime. That?s the facts. Oh, and our candidate could have run a better campaign (but we?ll have that discussion another day).

In the meantime, while we reflect on what went wrong, I would like to pass on to you an essay that a friend who works with abuse victims sent to me. It was written by a woman who has spent years working as an advocate for victims of domestic abuse and she sees many parallels between her work and the reaction of many Democrats to last month?s election. Her name is Mel Giles and here is what she had to say?


Watch Dan Rather apologize for not getting his facts straight, humiliated before the eyes of America, voluntarily undermining his credibility and career of over thirty years. Observe Donna Brazille squirm as she is ridiculed by Bay Buchanan, and pronounced irrelevant and nearly non-existent. Listen as Donna and Nancy Pelosi and Senator Charles Schumer take to the airwaves saying that they have to go back to the drawing board and learn from their mistakes and try to be better, more likable, more appealing, have a stronger message, speak to morality. Watch them awkwardly quote the bible, trying to speak the ?new? language of America. Surf the blogs, and read the comments of dismayed, discombobulated, confused individuals trying to figure out what they did wrong. Hear the cacophony of voices, crying out, "Why did they beat me?"

And then ask anyone who has ever worked in a domestic violence shelter if they have heard this before.

They will tell you: Every single day.

The answer is quite simple. They beat us because they are abusers. We can call it hate. We can call it fear. We can say it is unfair. But we are looped into the cycle of violence, and we need to start calling the dominating side what they are: abusive. And we need to recognize that we are the victims of verbal, mental, and even, in the case of Iraq, physical violence.

As victims we can't stop asking ourselves what we did wrong. We can't seem to grasp that they will keep hitting us and beating us as long as we keep sticking around and asking ourselves what we are doing to deserve the beating.

Listen to George Bush say that the will of God excuses his behavior. Listen, as he refuses to take responsibility, or express remorse, or even once, admit a mistake. Watch him strut, and tell us that he will only work with those who agree with him, and that each of us is only allowed one question (soon, it will be none at all; abusers hit hard when questioned; the press corps can tell you that). See him surround himself with only those who pledge oaths of allegiance. Hear him tell us that if we will only listen and do as he says and agree with his every utterance, all will go well for us (it won't; we will never be worthy).

And watch the Democratic Party leadership walk on eggshells, try to meet him, please him, wash the windows better, get out that spot, distance themselves from gays and civil rights. See the Democrats cry for the attention and affection and approval of the President and his followers. Watch us squirm. Watch us descend into a world of crazy-making, where logic does not work and the other side tells us we are nuts when we rely on facts. A world where, worst of all, we begin to believe we are crazy.

How to break free? Again, the answer is quite simple.

First, you must admit you are a victim. Then, you must declare the state of affairs unacceptable. Next, you must promise to protect yourself and everyone around you that is being victimized. You don't do this by responding to their demands, or becoming more like them, or engaging in logical conversation, or trying to persuade them that you are right. You also don't do this by going catatonic and resigned, by closing up your ears and eyes and covering your head and submitting to the blows, figuring its over faster and hurts less if you don't resist and fight back.

Instead, you walk away. You find other folks like yourself, 57 million of them, who are hurting, broken, and beating themselves up. You tell them what you've learned, and that you aren't going to take it anymore. You stand tall, with 57 million people at your side and behind you, and you look right into the eyes of the abuser and you tell him to go to hell. Then you walk out the door, taking the kids and gays and minorities with you, and you start a new life. The new life is hard. But it's better than the abuse.

We have a mandate to be as radical and liberal and steadfast as we need to be. The progressive beliefs and social justice we stand for, our core, must not be altered. We are 57 million strong. We are building from the bottom up. We are meeting, on the net, in church basements, at work, in small groups, and right now, we are crying, because we are trying to break free and we don't know how.

Any battered woman in America, any oppressed person around the globe who has defied her oppressor will tell you this: There is nothing wrong with you. You are in good company. You are safe. You are not alone. You are strong. You must change only one thing: Stop responding to the abuser.

Don't let him dictate the terms or frame the debate (he'll win, not because he's right, but because force works). Sure, we can build a better grassroots campaign, cultivate and raise up better leaders, reform the election system to make it fail-proof, stick to our message, learn from the strategy of the other side. But we absolutely must dispense with the notion that we are weak, godless, cowardly, disorganized, crazy, too liberal, naive, amoral, "loose,? irrelevant, outmoded, stupid and soon to be extinct. We have the mandate of the world to back us, and the legacy of oppressed people throughout history.

Even if you do everything right, they'll hit you anyway. Look at the poor souls who voted for this nonsense. They are working for six dollars an hour if they are working at all, their children are dying overseas and suffering from lack of health care and a depleted environment and a shoddy education.

And they don't even know they are being hit.


How true. And that is our challenge over the next couple of years; to hold out our hand to those being hit the hardest and help them leave behind a party that only seeks to keep beating them, their children, and the kid next door who?s on his way to Iraq.

Yours,

Michael Moore

<snipped the obvious plug for his movie he makes here.>




People love to bash this man and the right loves to hate him but he's no fool. Hold on,
Matter of fact he is spot on. Go MM!

IMO The DLC has completely lost touch of the left and is a serious issue that needs to be addressed before our next election time..
No more apologies.



I can hardly wait for moveon to drag the party left.

i love it.. just so you know Steplerot: move on and mmore are both republican plants, created and funded by the military industrial complex to make sure that the reasonable democratic views get obscured by wack-job lib views.

why do i tell you this? well...
However, as recent events have shown, one party rule pretty well sucks, especially in regards to the budget, which makes a lot of "oink oink" noises.

Take money from your base, dispel corporate influence, but don?t try to push your party towards the political view you hold, don?t buy the idea that you can vote your religious view! Take back the Christians in America, take back the fiscally responsible!
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Dear Friends,

It is no surprise that the Republicans are sore winners. They have spent the better part of the past month beating their chests, threatening to send to Siberia any Republican who doesn?t toe the line (poor Arlen Specter), and promising everything short of martial law if the Democrats don?t do what they are told.

What?s worse is to watch the pathetic sight of the DLC (the conservative, pro-corporate group of Democrats) apologizing for being Democrats and promising to ?purge? the party of the likes of, well, all of US! Their comments are so hilarious and really not even worth recognizing but the media is paying so much attention to them, I thought it might be worth doing a little reality check.

The most people the DLC is able to get out to an event of theirs is about 200 at their annual dinner (where you have to pay thousands of dollars to get in).

Contrast this with the following:

* Total Members of Move On: More than 2,000,000
* Total Attendance at Vote for Change Concerts: An estimated 280,000
* Total Union Members in U.S.: Around 16,000,000
* Total Number of People Who Have Seen ?Fahrenheit 9/11?: Over 50 million
* Total Number of You Reading This: Perhaps 10 million or more

The days of trying to move the Democratic Party to the right are over. We lost a very close election (a one-state difference) by running the #1 liberal in the Senate. Not bad. The country is shifting in our direction, not to the right. But the country was attacked and people were scared. They were manipulated with fear. And America has never thrown a sitting president out during wartime. That?s the facts. Oh, and our candidate could have run a better campaign (but we?ll have that discussion another day).

In the meantime, while we reflect on what went wrong, I would like to pass on to you an essay that a friend who works with abuse victims sent to me. It was written by a woman who has spent years working as an advocate for victims of domestic abuse and she sees many parallels between her work and the reaction of many Democrats to last month?s election. Her name is Mel Giles and here is what she had to say?


Watch Dan Rather apologize for not getting his facts straight, humiliated before the eyes of America, voluntarily undermining his credibility and career of over thirty years. Observe Donna Brazille squirm as she is ridiculed by Bay Buchanan, and pronounced irrelevant and nearly non-existent. Listen as Donna and Nancy Pelosi and Senator Charles Schumer take to the airwaves saying that they have to go back to the drawing board and learn from their mistakes and try to be better, more likable, more appealing, have a stronger message, speak to morality. Watch them awkwardly quote the bible, trying to speak the ?new? language of America. Surf the blogs, and read the comments of dismayed, discombobulated, confused individuals trying to figure out what they did wrong. Hear the cacophony of voices, crying out, "Why did they beat me?"

And then ask anyone who has ever worked in a domestic violence shelter if they have heard this before.

They will tell you: Every single day.

The answer is quite simple. They beat us because they are abusers. We can call it hate. We can call it fear. We can say it is unfair. But we are looped into the cycle of violence, and we need to start calling the dominating side what they are: abusive. And we need to recognize that we are the victims of verbal, mental, and even, in the case of Iraq, physical violence.

As victims we can't stop asking ourselves what we did wrong. We can't seem to grasp that they will keep hitting us and beating us as long as we keep sticking around and asking ourselves what we are doing to deserve the beating.

Listen to George Bush say that the will of God excuses his behavior. Listen, as he refuses to take responsibility, or express remorse, or even once, admit a mistake. Watch him strut, and tell us that he will only work with those who agree with him, and that each of us is only allowed one question (soon, it will be none at all; abusers hit hard when questioned; the press corps can tell you that). See him surround himself with only those who pledge oaths of allegiance. Hear him tell us that if we will only listen and do as he says and agree with his every utterance, all will go well for us (it won't; we will never be worthy).

And watch the Democratic Party leadership walk on eggshells, try to meet him, please him, wash the windows better, get out that spot, distance themselves from gays and civil rights. See the Democrats cry for the attention and affection and approval of the President and his followers. Watch us squirm. Watch us descend into a world of crazy-making, where logic does not work and the other side tells us we are nuts when we rely on facts. A world where, worst of all, we begin to believe we are crazy.

How to break free? Again, the answer is quite simple.

First, you must admit you are a victim. Then, you must declare the state of affairs unacceptable. Next, you must promise to protect yourself and everyone around you that is being victimized. You don't do this by responding to their demands, or becoming more like them, or engaging in logical conversation, or trying to persuade them that you are right. You also don't do this by going catatonic and resigned, by closing up your ears and eyes and covering your head and submitting to the blows, figuring its over faster and hurts less if you don't resist and fight back.

Instead, you walk away. You find other folks like yourself, 57 million of them, who are hurting, broken, and beating themselves up. You tell them what you've learned, and that you aren't going to take it anymore. You stand tall, with 57 million people at your side and behind you, and you look right into the eyes of the abuser and you tell him to go to hell. Then you walk out the door, taking the kids and gays and minorities with you, and you start a new life. The new life is hard. But it's better than the abuse.

We have a mandate to be as radical and liberal and steadfast as we need to be. The progressive beliefs and social justice we stand for, our core, must not be altered. We are 57 million strong. We are building from the bottom up. We are meeting, on the net, in church basements, at work, in small groups, and right now, we are crying, because we are trying to break free and we don't know how.

Any battered woman in America, any oppressed person around the globe who has defied her oppressor will tell you this: There is nothing wrong with you. You are in good company. You are safe. You are not alone. You are strong. You must change only one thing: Stop responding to the abuser.

Don't let him dictate the terms or frame the debate (he'll win, not because he's right, but because force works). Sure, we can build a better grassroots campaign, cultivate and raise up better leaders, reform the election system to make it fail-proof, stick to our message, learn from the strategy of the other side. But we absolutely must dispense with the notion that we are weak, godless, cowardly, disorganized, crazy, too liberal, naive, amoral, "loose,? irrelevant, outmoded, stupid and soon to be extinct. We have the mandate of the world to back us, and the legacy of oppressed people throughout history.

Even if you do everything right, they'll hit you anyway. Look at the poor souls who voted for this nonsense. They are working for six dollars an hour if they are working at all, their children are dying overseas and suffering from lack of health care and a depleted environment and a shoddy education.

And they don't even know they are being hit.


How true. And that is our challenge over the next couple of years; to hold out our hand to those being hit the hardest and help them leave behind a party that only seeks to keep beating them, their children, and the kid next door who?s on his way to Iraq.

Yours,

Michael Moore

<snipped the obvious plug for his movie he makes here.>




People love to bash this man and the right loves to hate him but he's no fool. Hold on,
Matter of fact he is spot on. Go MM!

IMO The DLC has completely lost touch of the left and is a serious issue that needs to be addressed before our next election time..
No more apologies.

And your point is?

 

miketheidiot

Lifer
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Originally posted by: LordMagnusKain


i love it.. just so you know Steplerot: move on and mmore are both republican plants, created and funded by the military industrial complex to make sure that the reasonable democratic views get obscured by wack-job lib views.

why do i tell you this? well...

as opposed the rest of the party being stooges for the MIC...

BTW why does this statement reek of sarcasm?

The days of trying to move the Democratic Party to the right are over. We lost a very close election (a one-state difference) by running the #1 liberal in the Senate.
:thumbsup:
 

dmcowen674

No Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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www.alienbabeltech.com
"Watch us descend into a world of crazy-making, where logic does not work and the other side tells us we are nuts when we rely on facts. A world where, worst of all, we begin to believe we are crazy. "

I wasn't sure if Moore frequented P&amp;N but here I see he has been.
 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot


IMO The DLC has completely lost touch of the left and is a serious issue that needs to be addressed before our next election time..
No more apologies.

:confused:

Bell Curve

Did you flunk out of middle school math?

There are no more voters on the far left, who's left to recruit? Liberal parakeets?

:roll:

First, you must admit you are a victim.

LOL, so many places to go with this one, and most that spring to mnd would be horribly offensive.

How about this instead:

First realize it was in fact a fairly close race, however, the outcome signaled a fundamental change in the majority of US voters, our party needs to go a hair more mainstream, sure we'll blow off a few Birkenstock wearing women who don't shave their pits, but we can win an election if the party makes a concerted effort to distance ourselves from them, that alone may be enough to pick up more moderate swing voters who can swing the next mid-term elections our way.

Hell, just the next chairman of the DNC publicly trashing Michael Moore might be enough to win the next election.
 

irwincur

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Here in Canada, we have had massive surpluses many years in a row

Probably because in Canada your military expenditure consists of a bi-plane, a tug boat, and grain for some horses.









Go left, far left. Abandon the more Conservative portions of your party - you know the ones you need to win with. The Unions and the Blacks both form the Conservative side of the Democratic party. As can be seen with Union support of the war (well above average) and Black apathy towards gay marriage (overwhelming). Abandon them and who do you have left, a dying class of FDR retired folk, older (lunatic) liberals, a few retired hippy's, and best of all, the strongest and most reliable voting class - students.

In total, those groups are good for about 25% of the vote at best.
 
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Moore was such an overwhelming success for the Democrats in '04. Here's to him continuing his record into '08 and beyond.

:beer:
 
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No question the country is moving and will continue to move left. That's a given. Two things are needed to create a liberal.......education to instill the arrogance and severe personal problems brought about by a jacked up childhood and/or really bad life decisions. Both are becoming more prevalent. What we're experiencing right now is a temporary reprieve from the madness.

Although I do think Bush's war in Iraq hurt him severely and the economy was dragging and he still won by 3.5 MILLION votes, so hopefully we've got a little while.


Just as an aside, Biblical scholars say, as best they can determine based on Revelations, that the US plays no part whatsoever in the Tribulation, so, eventually, as a nation, we errode ourselves away and there's no better way to accomplish that than attacking morality and destroying family values.........just ask the Romans. ;) Not that I necessarily agree with them or think their work is even valid, but history and logic tell you that things, if left alone will unravel. You need a renewal like what the Puritans did in America to tighten things up again....but they'll just unravel again later. But I'm about to go off on a sermon, so I'll end it before I offend your delicate liberal sensibilities.

Also, read my sig and tell me George Washington would be proud of modern day liberals pooping their pants at the sight of the Ten Commandments.
 

murban135

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Moore was such an overwhelming success for the Democrats in '04. Here's to him continuing his record into '08 and beyond.

:beer:

 

yllus

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"Watch us descend into a world of crazy-making, where logic does not work and the other side tells us we are nuts when we rely on facts. A world where, worst of all, we begin to believe we are crazy. "

I wasn't sure if Moore frequented P&amp;N but here I see he has been.
lol...and what facts have you brought us lately, dmcowen674?

Hopefully the Democrats can rally in the next four years to make a strong showing in 2008. A one-party system is not something you guys will enjoy. Trust a Canadian - we've got a lot of know-how on grossly blatant politicians can get with their excesses and pet projects when they know they'll be in power in perpetuity.
 

ntdz

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Look at the poor souls who voted for this nonsense. They are working for six dollars an hour if they are working at all, their children are dying overseas and suffering from lack of health care and a depleted environment and a shoddy education.

That doesn't characterize me at all.
 

Rainsford

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Apr 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: piasabird
Nothing went wrong the country has spoken in favor of conservatism.


Yep, another of our bloodless revolutions we have every 4 years:D

I agree ;)

I think people on both sides are making too much of this. It's only natural since the hate from both sides was pretty strong up through the election that we'd see some Bushies chanting about the death of liberalism and some liberals wondering where they went wrong. But come on, SOMEONE has to win, and both liberals and conservatives have been beaten far worse in many of the past elections, only to come back the next time.

Honestly, the "Oh my God, it's the end of the world, we're doomed forever!" crowd is almost as annoying as the "We will rule forever!" group. Come on people, it's just an election :D
 

Steeplerot

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On the surface yes, but for around a hundred thousand iraqis and 1300 american servicemembers it is the end of the world.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: Steeplerot


IMO The DLC has completely lost touch of the left and is a serious issue that needs to be addressed before our next election time..
No more apologies.

:confused:

Bell Curve

Did you flunk out of middle school math?

There are no more voters on the far left, who's left to recruit? Liberal parakeets?

:roll:

First, you must admit you are a victim.

LOL, so many places to go with this one, and most that spring to mnd would be horribly offensive.

How about this instead:

First realize it was in fact a fairly close race, however, the outcome signaled a fundamental change in the majority of US voters, our party needs to go a hair more mainstream, sure we'll blow off a few Birkenstock wearing women who don't shave their pits, but we can win an election if the party makes a concerted effort to distance ourselves from them, that alone may be enough to pick up more moderate swing voters who can swing the next mid-term elections our way.

Hell, just the next chairman of the DNC publicly trashing Michael Moore might be enough to win the next election.

If the deomcrats would go hard on the economic left, and leave the social progress off to the side, it would be a landslide to the democrats. Democrats need to stop trying to me republicans, because the republicans already are republicans.
 

miketheidiot

Lifer
Sep 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
No question the country is moving and will continue to move left. That's a given. Two things are needed to create a liberal.......education to instill the arrogance and severe personal problems brought about by a jacked up childhood and/or really bad life decisions. Both are becoming more prevalent. What we're experiencing right now is a temporary reprieve from the madness.
:roll:

Although I do think Bush's war in Iraq hurt him severely and the economy was dragging and he still won by 3.5 MILLION votes, so hopefully we've got a little while.
he beat "the most liberal member of the senate" by only 2%. Thats pathetic.


Just as an aside, Biblical scholars say, as best they can determine based on Revelations, that the US plays no part whatsoever in the Tribulation, so, eventually, as a nation, we errode ourselves away and there's no better way to accomplish that than attacking morality and destroying family values.........just ask the Romans. ;) Not that I necessarily agree with them or think their work is even valid, but history and logic tell you that things, if left alone will unravel. You need a renewal like what the Puritans did in America to tighten things up again....but they'll just unravel again later. But I'm about to go off on a sermon, so I'll end it before I offend your delicate liberal sensibilities.
Pewrhaps you shuld reread your roman history. Its military system destoyed it, not its immorality (which coincidentally coincided with the rise of christianity!). i'll explain if you would like.

Also, read my sig and tell me George Washington would be proud of modern day liberals pooping their pants at the sight of the Ten Commandments.
You mean good 'ole slaveholding richboy George Washington?

 

Alistar7

Lifer
May 13, 2002
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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
On the surface yes, but for around a hundred thousand iraqis and 1300 american servicemembers it is the end of the world.

Do yourself a favor and stop quoting that door to door survey ;)