How to become Gluten Free

[DrPizza]

It's nothing more than the same anti-logic, anti-science, anti-intellectual, anti-progress BS that goes on with Anti-vaxxers. They both belong to the same idiotic groups. They latch on to some logical fallacy and run with it merely because it adheres to some half-baked thought they had.

I don't think I'd refer to Magnus that way; seems a bit insulting. I think that he's merely heard from too many people who, without any evidence whatsoever, have made certain claims. I think Brainonska's replay was fairly sufficient.

And, <mostly jokingly>
You keep hearing that GMOs are bad for you. Who keeps saying this? It's the organic food industry, that's who. Why would anyone spend more money to purchase their food that costs a lot more to produce if their food was no different in nutritional benefits and safety. So, they spend millions of dollars convincing people that they are better, all so they can make a bigger profit.
</joking>

 

[Ichinisan]

Wow, that's ridiculous. For starters, specialty gluten-free foods are crazy expensive, so forcing someone else to pay for your special food is kind of ridiculous if you don't really have an allergy. "Not a lot of gluten in pizza crust" is the stupidest thing I've ever heard...I'm not Celiac, only intolerant, but if I so much as dip my sushi in soy sauce (soy sauce has wheat, I have to bring my own special GF soy sauce or make sure they have it there) or take a single bite of bread, I'm out of commission for the next 48 hours. And I even have to watch out for the hidden kind...fake crab meat at sushi places uses gluten for binding. I think the video is right tho...a lot of people do it for the attention. I try not to advertise my food allergies in public because it's kind of embarrassing, haha.

My understanding and personal observations make me believe it's psychosomatic for nearly all "gluten intolerant" people. I'm not saying you aren't an exception to that generalization, but I hope you question if its real or not and at least consider the possibility that it's psychosomatic.

Remember: Psychosomatic symptoms can be 100% real.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

My understanding and personal observations make me believe it's psychosomatic for nearly all "gluten intolerant" people. I'm not saying you aren't an exception to that generalization, but I hope you question if its real or not and at least consider the possibility that it's psychosomatic.

Remember: Psychosomatic symptoms can be 100% real.

Do you, Brainonska511 or, DrPizza observe hundreds of people eating every day over the last 35 years? Do you observe food trends, ordering habits, interactions with food suppliers over the same length of time? Yet, you all seem qualified to dismiss my observations when I have done so.

None of you has even admitted there is a problem even when an acknowledged scientific authority (the CDC) has told you the facts. You've written it off as people being more aware, trendy or, psychosomatic. Tell me, do you feel the same way about global warming, second hand smoke or, DDT? You seem more invested in the process than in finding solutions.

You all focus on GMO's to the exclusion of anything else even though I've stated repeatedly they are not my focus. Very well, it is your choice to ignore my advice and my questions but, do not try to legitimize your preconceptions as lack of "scientific process." Science isn't born of mathematical description, rigorous case studies or, double blind experiments, it is born of observations and learning the right questions to ask NOT, waiting for the high priests of academia to deliver their considered opinion.

 

[Ichinisan]

Do you, Brainonska511 or, DrPizza observe hundreds of people eating every day over the last 35 years? Do you observe food trends, ordering habits, interactions with food suppliers over the same length of time? Yet, you all seem qualified to dismiss my observations when I have done so.

None of you has even admitted there is a problem even when an acknowledged scientific authority (the CDC) has told you the facts. You've written it off as people being more aware, trendy or, psychosomatic. Tell me, do you feel the same way about global warming, second hand smoke or, DDT? You seem more invested in the process than in finding solutions.

You all focus on GMO's to the exclusion of anything else even though I've stated repeatedly they are not my focus. Very well, it is your choice to ignore my advice and my questions but, do not try to legitimize your preconceptions as lack of "scientific process." Science isn't born of mathematical description, rigorous case studies or, double blind experiments, it is born of observations and learning the right questions to ask NOT, waiting for the high priests of academia to deliver their considered opinion.

I'm just asking if a typical sufferer has even considered that it could be psychosomatic. Any sufferer that hasn't considered that possibility is doing himself/herself a disservice.

 

[Blanky]

Finally got a chance to watch the vid. I like it a lot.

 

[LegendKiller]

Do you, Brainonska511 or, DrPizza observe hundreds of people eating every day over the last 35 years? Do you observe food trends, ordering habits, interactions with food suppliers over the same length of time? Yet, you all seem qualified to dismiss my observations when I have done so.

None of you has even admitted there is a problem even when an acknowledged scientific authority (the CDC) has told you the facts. You've written it off as people being more aware, trendy or, psychosomatic. Tell me, do you feel the same way about global warming, second hand smoke or, DDT? You seem more invested in the process than in finding solutions.

You all focus on GMO's to the exclusion of anything else even though I've stated repeatedly they are not my focus. Very well, it is your choice to ignore my advice and my questions but, do not try to legitimize your preconceptions as lack of "scientific process." Science isn't born of mathematical description, rigorous case studies or, double blind experiments, it is born of observations and learning the right questions to ask NOT, waiting for the high priests of academia to deliver their considered opinion.

Science is not asking questions in an uncontrolled and non-statistically significant manner. It is testing and studying and analyzing under controlled circumstances.

You are assuming global warming is man made. How can we prove it is? All of the models are wrong. All of the statistical analysis flawed and short. All of the correlations are off. All we have is supposition. That's it.

It is akin to the correlation between cholesterol, eggs, and heart disease. We let millions to believe egg yolks were the devil and "low fat" this an that the savior. Instead we led millions down the road to hell due to over-abundance of sugar and sugar substitutes.

This was false psuedo-science. This "observation" without testing, without double blind studies, was a bunch of bullshit.

It has been the road to hell for Americans and people like you are marching us along it like the pied piper

You hold your "observations" of "hundreds" as sacred when they are nothing more than Jenny McCarthy level anecdotal evidence, granted writ-large, but still nothing but.

Tell me when you have performed a regression on tens of thousands. Then I'll believe you.

 

[LegendKiller]

I'm just asking if a typical sufferer has even considered that it could be psychosomatic. Any sufferer that hasn't considered that possibility is doing himself/herself a disservice.

There is a reason why he dismisses double-blind studies. He probably dismisses placebo studies also.

After all, simple observation and self-reporting will "prove" everything in a "scientific" method.

 

[sdifox]

Over use of anti bacterial anything plus monsanto crap is what is causing the rise in allergies.

Chinese people eat fried gluten in sauce for crying out loud.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Science is not asking questions in an uncontrolled and non-statistically significant manner. It is testing and studying and analyzing under controlled circumstances.

You are assuming global warming is man made. How can we prove it is? All of the models are wrong. All of the statistical analysis flawed and short. All of the correlations are off. All we have is supposition. That's it.

It is akin to the correlation between cholesterol, eggs, and heart disease. We let millions to believe egg yolks were the devil and "low fat" this an that the savior. Instead we led millions down the road to hell due to over-abundance of sugar and sugar substitutes.

This was false psuedo-science. This "observation" without testing, without double blind studies, was a bunch of bullshit.

It has been the road to hell for Americans and people like you are marching us along it like the pied piper

You hold your "observations" of "hundreds" as sacred when they are nothing more than Jenny McCarthy level anecdotal evidence, granted writ-large, but still nothing but.

Tell me when you have performed a regression on tens of thousands. Then I'll believe you.

You have answered none of my concerns while creating straw man arguments. You have not even taken responsibility for your own opinion. Congrat's! You've exercised your ego while avoiding anything substantive. You've even sunk to story telling and name calling. Obviously, you win the intarwebs.

 

[LegendKiller]

You have answered none of my concerns while creating straw man arguments. You have not even taken responsibility for your own opinion. Congrat's! You've exercised your ego while avoiding anything substantive. You've even sunk to story telling and name calling. Obviously, you win the intarwebs.

You have absolutely nothing backing up your position. It is as valid as mine since neither are proven, neither are statistically significant and neither are scientifically vslid. The telling difference is that I don't try to dismiss anything, especially scientifically valid testing like double blinds, but you do.

Why is that. It's because your hypothesis doesn't hold up to that testing. It never has and never will. There have been dozens of studies on gmo and not a single one supports your assertions, hence your removal of the tests and support for pseudo science.

One of us runs away from reality. That alone tells the tale in entirety.

 

[heymrdj]

You have answered none of my concerns while creating straw man arguments. You have not even taken responsibility for your own opinion. Congrat's! You've exercised your ego while avoiding anything substantive. You've even sunk to story telling and name calling. Obviously, you win the intarwebs.

Oh Great Magnus, what does your observations scientifically and mathematically show us? It doesn't count to say "I see more people with food allergies." You have to have proof that the individuals that ate large amounts of GMO (which meant you watched every meal that person ate for a large range of their life) suffered from food allergies as a result. Please show me your charts.

 

[LegendKiller]

Over use of anti bacterial anything plus monsanto crap is what is causing the rise in allergies.

Chinese people eat fried gluten in sauce for crying out loud.

And those same people probably eat more gmos than you. They don't have the luxury of whole paycheck

 

[GasX]

You want to know why GMO is bad? It's not the modified DNA that's getting you. It's the built in tolerance to Roundup. Your GMO crops are drowning in that shit. Monoculture, biome destruction and environmental herbicide/pesticide saturation is why GMO crops are bad.

 

[LegendKiller]

You want to know why GMO is bad? It's not the modified DNA that's getting you. It's the built in tolerance to Roundup. Your GMO crops are drowning in that shit. Monoculture, biome destruction and environmental herbicide/pesticide saturation is why GMO crops are bad.

As opposed to non gmo drowning in another chemical?

I agree the rest is bad but not causal relationships.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

You have absolutely nothing backing up your position. It is as valid as mine since neither are proven, neither are statistically significant and neither are scientifically vslid. The telling difference is that I don't try to dismiss anything, especially scientifically valid testing like double blinds, but you do.

Why is that. It's because your hypothesis doesn't hold up to that testing. It never has and never will. There have been dozens of studies on gmo and not a single one supports your assertions, hence your removal of the tests and support for pseudo science.

One of us runs away from reality. That alone tells the tale in entirety.

Oh Great Magnus, what does your observations scientifically and mathematically show us? It doesn't count to say "I see more people with food allergies." You have to have proof that the individuals that ate large amounts of GMO (which meant you watched every meal that person ate for a large range of their life) suffered from food allergies as a result. Please show me your charts.

Once again, you avoid what I actually said and invent your own arguments. I'm done attempting to hold civil discourse with with two of our resident trolls.

 

[LegendKiller]

Once again, you avoid what I actually said and invent your own arguments. I'm done attempting to hold civil discourse with with two of our resident trolls.

So what did you say? Summarize it for us.

 

[heymrdj]

Once again, you avoid what I actually said and invent your own arguments. I'm done attempting to hold civil discourse with with two of our resident trolls.

I have read your writing repeatedly, all you're giving is an unproven opinion based on watching people. If your observations were so relevant, they'd be easy to prove.

 

[sdifox]

And those same people probably eat more gmos than you. They don't have the luxury of whole paycheck

There is GMO the old fashioned way and then there is Monsanto. There is a difference.

 

[Brainonska511]

You want to know why GMO is bad? It's not the modified DNA that's getting you. It's the built in tolerance to Roundup. Your GMO crops are drowning in that shit. Monoculture, biome destruction and environmental herbicide/pesticide saturation is why GMO crops are bad.

Glyphosate, the active ingredient in RoundUp, has an LD50 higher than table salt. It's quite safe to use, especially compared to some pesticides used in 'organic' farming. Fields and crops are not drowned in pesticides. These things cost farmers money - they use them as needed and not indiscriminately spraying gallons and gallons of the stuff. Plus, since the introduction of GMO crops, total pesticide usage has actually declined.

All fields, by their very nature, are monoculture during the crop season. And even if farmers are growing 'corn', there are many varieties of corn and companies that make GMOs can incorporate their resistance genes into these varieties.

And the very idea that city folks are telling farmers how to grow their food is rather ridiculous. Imagine if someone stood over your shoulder, calling you a fool and telling you how to do your job.

There is GMO the old fashioned way and then there is Monsanto. There is a difference.

Yeah. The "old" way was slow and scrambles hundreds or thousands of genes in a relatively unknown way. The slightly newer way (last 50-75 years) involves using radiation or chemicals (or both) to induce mutations in seed DNA. Again, totally random process with hundreds or thousands of uncatalogued changes. Both of these methods don't require the testing we require of GMO foods. The newest way is to insert just the few genes you want in a very precise way. That seems like a great technological advance to me. To add, Monsanto is hardly the only player in the biotech market. You've got Bayer, Dow, DuPont, Simplot, Syngenta, and plenty of other smaller players.

 

[LegendKiller]

There is GMO the old fashioned way and then there is Monsanto. There is a difference.

There is no difference that you can prove scientifically. If you have something, prove it.

Furthermore, that's probably all they eat. They can't afford the bullshit western hipster whole paycheck idiocy.

 

[Brainonska511]

Do you, Brainonska511 or, DrPizza observe hundreds of people eating every day over the last 35 years? Do you observe food trends, ordering habits, interactions with food suppliers over the same length of time? Yet, you all seem qualified to dismiss my observations when I have done so.

None of you has even admitted there is a problem even when an acknowledged scientific authority (the CDC) has told you the facts. You've written it off as people being more aware, trendy or, psychosomatic. Tell me, do you feel the same way about global warming, second hand smoke or, DDT? You seem more invested in the process than in finding solutions.

You all focus on GMO's to the exclusion of anything else even though I've stated repeatedly they are not my focus. Very well, it is your choice to ignore my advice and my questions but, do not try to legitimize your preconceptions as lack of "scientific process." Science isn't born of mathematical description, rigorous case studies or, double blind experiments, it is born of observations and learning the right questions to ask NOT, waiting for the high priests of academia to deliver their considered opinion.

You're the one that brought the focus to GMOs:

In ONE generation, the combined food allergies and intolerance has risen from 7% of the population to the current level of 17% according to the CDC. Now, do you think it might have SOMETHING to do with all the over processed 'convenience' foods or, dare I say it, growth in GMO foods? To borrow your question, how many people have to die before we start caring about what we eat again?

I'm simply stating the science. It does not agree with your hypothesis that GMOs are to blame for the health issue of the day. As for your other hypothesis, I don't have knowledge in that area, so I don't feel like commenting in depth. But I would guess that regularly eating shit food (frozen dinners, high-sodium snack foods, junk foods, etc...) in excess could lead to health problems. As could more sedentary lifestyles relative to a generation or two ago and a genetic component (for example, some recent research with the FTO gene in humans). Everyone wants that silver bullet for the problems of life, but it's likely to be multifaceted and not easy to nail down.

As for how science works, I would say that I do have some expertise in this area. Observation is part of the picture, but so is learning what questions to ask, understanding what your observations can actually tell you, and what kind of analysis should be carried out are just as important. A hypothesis to explain data should generally fit within the framework of existing knowledge. Sometimes, this isn't the case and the existing model needs to be refined to account for new observations, but we generally draw on the body of existing scientific knowledge to both explain our data and come up with new experiments to try and prove our hypothesis wrong or right.

Rigorous experimental design and studies are the hallmark of science. Double-blind studies are the benchmark standard for determining whether a drug is better than a placebo. To throw these out there as if they're nothing is naive.

Face it, the science is pretty sound: GMOs are not causing allergies or obesity, or whatever. It's a new, more precise twist on what we've done for the last 10,000 years. And since you asked, yes, I trust the body of science on the other issues. I can't be an expert on every nook of science, at some point, I have to trust other experts.

 

[Imp]

Wooosh... Don't know what everyone's talking about. Only "food" I try to avoid is cooking shit in plastic.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

My wife has Celiac and I found this hilarious. Especially the part about enjoying the gluten free bread.

Please send help.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

In ONE generation, the combined food allergies and intolerance has risen from 7% of the population to the current level of 17% according to the CDC. Now, do you think it might have SOMETHING to do with all the over processed 'convenience' foods or, dare I say it, growth in GMO foods? To borrow your question, how many people have to die before we start caring about what we eat again?

Perhaps it has something to do with people over-reporting and being pussies.

There are actual tests for such illnesses, and if you have not had such a test you are a fucktard:

Fucktard case 1)

You are full of shit. Go shit on someone else's life

Fucktard case 2)

you are not full of shit. Holy fuck, you are actually ill and not getting the proper treatment because you don't know what the prices nature of your intolerance is.

Respect case ')
you went to a doctor. The doctor diagnosed you. When you underwent proper dietary restrictions, medication, and other changes as requested your symptoms improved markedly. Congratulations, you are NOT a fucktard.



On the other hand, all the fucktardedness around gluten free food has made life a little better for those who honestly have Celiac's disease.

 

[sdifox]

And those same people probably eat more gmos than you. They don't have the luxury of whole paycheck

China has been slow on allowing gmo imports due to public backlash.