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How the White House Embraced Disputed Arms Intelligence

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Mursilis: As the Jayson Blair scandal indicated, the Times has an agenda, and is willing to go remarkably far to advance it. An apology by the Times which happens to reflect badly on Bush is no surprise.

The most important part of the basic agenda of the news media must be to expose the agendas of all parts of government the executive, the legislative and the judiciary. The NYT is belatedly doing just that when it takes a critical look at the Bush administration. For that, at least, the American people should be grateful.
 
Originally posted by: GrGr
Mursilis: As the Jayson Blair scandal indicated, the Times has an agenda, and is willing to go remarkably far to advance it. An apology by the Times which happens to reflect badly on Bush is no surprise.

The most important part of the basic agenda of the news media must be to expose the agendas of all parts of government the executive, the legislative and the judiciary. The NYT is belatedly doing just that when it takes a critical look at the Bush administration. For that, at least, the American people should be grateful.
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Indeed. I have no qualms with the Times or any other media taking a critical look at Bush (such is the job of the press, after all, and Bush has done much to be critical about). However, when study after study indicates the majority of the press votes Democrat, I only question if they've been equally critical of both sides. Otherwise, they risk the charge of bias, a charge which the press has recently made all too easy to demonstrate.
 
While I was against the war in the beginning, and I still am quite dubious about the eventual outcome, it is so easy to make judgements after the fact. Iraq had tried to develop nuclear weapons in the past and they had also used chemical weapons on their own people. Most nations agreed they were a threat and they had intentions of developing these weapons in the future. Even Kerry beleived this much and made public statements to this effect.

All Bush really did is take some reports from the CIA and use them to further his cause and jsutify an invasion. If we invaded Iran or North Korea I would expect much of the same excuses from anti-war Liberals.

This whole war has made people stupid. I can see no reason to trust the UN after this Food-for-Oil Fiasco. Half of Europe was on the Take for this Oil-Blood-Money. Never Ever Trust the UN.
 
This is the best the neocons have to offer against this article? The same tired old 'liberal media' conspiracy theory? Frankly, I expected better from the spinmeisters. Couldn't you have at least humored me and performed some character assassination on the author?
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
All Bush really did is take some reports from the CIA and use them to further his cause and jsutify an invasion. If we invaded Iran or North Korea I would expect much of the same excuses from anti-war Liberals.
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Oh! Is that all he did? Well, my mistake. He's a hell of a guy. A great president and an honorable, trustworthy man. I mean, afterall...some nation had to be invaded because, hey, we've got this great army and we aren't even using the darn thing! Its understandable that he needed to make up a horsesh|t story so all our soldiers could finially get out there and fire their brand new guns! Because we know they were just begging for an excuse, any excuse, to go die in some war torn hell hole. Those LUCKY BASTARDS.
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
While I was against the war in the beginning, and I still am quite dubious about the eventual outcome, it is so easy to make judgements after the fact. Iraq had tried to develop nuclear weapons in the past and they had also used chemical weapons on their own people. Most nations agreed they were a threat and they had intentions of developing these weapons in the future. Even Kerry beleived this much and made public statements to this effect.

All Bush really did is take some reports from the CIA and use them to further his cause and jsutify an invasion. If we invaded Iran or North Korea I would expect much of the same excuses from anti-war Liberals.

This whole war has made people stupid. I can see no reason to trust the UN after this Food-for-Oil Fiasco. Half of Europe was on the Take for this Oil-Blood-Money. Never Ever Trust the UN.
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It wasn't just Bush. It was his entire administration!

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith, Rice, and Hadley. The key bastards are highlighted in bold. It was pretty much conspiracy to put forth bogus intelligence reports to justify an invasion to test out the PNAC vision.
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
While I was against the war in the beginning, and I still am quite dubious about the eventual outcome, it is so easy to make judgements after the fact. Iraq had tried to develop nuclear weapons in the past and they had also used chemical weapons on their own people. Most nations agreed they were a threat and they had intentions of developing these weapons in the future. Even Kerry beleived this much and made public statements to this effect.

All Bush really did is take some reports from the CIA and use them to further his cause and jsutify an invasion. If we invaded Iran or North Korea I would expect much of the same excuses from anti-war Liberals.

This whole war has made people stupid. I can see no reason to trust the UN after this Food-for-Oil Fiasco. Half of Europe was on the Take for this Oil-Blood-Money. Never Ever Trust the UN.
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I think I'm going to be sick... try reading what you just wrote. Did you even read the same article?
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: conjur
This thread and the article herein is what I'm talking about, CsG.

Read this.
Learn this.
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It's hopeless getting them to see reason.
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Nah, hope springs eternal. If they're smart enough to run a computer, they're smart enough to recognize the truth, no matter how much it stings. All they have to do is open their minds and read.
 
Chris Matthews was on The Today Show and he was damn near foaming at the mouth in his interview with Ann Curry. Matthews was railing against the media for not fact-checking the candidates. He was especially tearing into Cheney.
 
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