How the politics of the day are effecting the poorest of our country.

IamDavid

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Democrats Agree on Tax Hike to Fund Health Care

The company I'm currently employed makes allot of money. Allot of money. We are a privately owned company with around 700 employees. Management is paid very well and we always keep our owners/board happy. On the other hand we pay 95% of our employee's minimum wage. Our employees do the work others throughout the country are paid $12 and up, but that's another story in itself...

So here's how the great politics of the day are kicking our most vulnerable citizens while there already hurting:
To our employees:

1) Health insurance just got raised and your deductible has now tripled.
-Was $20\w now its $35... Deductible went from $300 to $1000
-Prescription drugs were $5, now $15 for generic and NO non generic...
-No more prenatal support, was covered @ 100%
2) Vacations: No more vacation addded. So if you've worked for 5 yrs, you only get 1wk.

3) Sick leave: No more. If you miss 5 days in 1 year you will be terminated. We don't care because you're easily replaced by the millions of unemployed.

4) All employer sponsored function canceled.

5) No more employer purchased gear, ie boots, jackets... - We work in a cold/wet environment.

6) No second break. We've always had a morning and afternoon break along with a lunch. By law only 1 break must be provided.



The list goes on and on and it's all an absolute crock of s****! Our president had some town hall meetings with our employee's outline the new policies and why they are being implemented. Blaming everything on our wonderful politicians in Washington.
I see the books, I know the bottom line. My bonuses are only getting bigger and profits are looking great.. Me being a capitalist makes it hard to swallow but I can tell you all beyond a shadow of a doubt NOTHING Washington does will stop the rich from getting richer.
 

dali71

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It sounds like the owners of your company are a bunch of jackasses. Maybe you should seek a position elsewhere, and if you find one, make sure to let everyone know exactly why you're leaving. Otherwise, just be thankful that you have a job in this environment, albeit not with an ideal company.
 

IamDavid

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Originally posted by: dali71
It sounds like the owners of your company are a bunch of jackasses. Maybe you should seek a position elsewhere, and if you find one, make sure to let everyone know exactly why you're leaving. Otherwise, just be thankful that you have a job in this environment, albeit not with an ideal company.

I'm currently in the process of moving on, have a second meeting with another company. Scary times to be changing jobs and for a new company to pay me to be added on. It'll work out good though and yes I do have POST employment plans. :)
 

her209

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Sorry to hear IamDavid but its assuring to hear that you have enough conviction to leave for your beliefs.
 

Craig234

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The thing is, it does little for Iamdavid to leave and be replaced. The only thing that actually helps is changing the rules to ensure all employers meet decent standards - or are incented to at least, but making the market for labor a bit more actually competitive. The company, sadly, sounds like it's doing little other than what the rules reward it to do.
 

Strk

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Originally posted by: Craig234
The thing is, it does little for Iamdavid to leave and be replaced. The only thing that actually helps is changing the rules to ensure all employers meet decent standards - or are incented to at least, but making the market for labor a bit more actually competitive. The company, sadly, sounds like it's doing little other than what the rules reward it to do.

And then if you mention union, you're worse than the people in charge treating their underlings like crap
 

IamDavid

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Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Craig234
The thing is, it does little for Iamdavid to leave and be replaced. The only thing that actually helps is changing the rules to ensure all employers meet decent standards - or are incented to at least, but making the market for labor a bit more actually competitive. The company, sadly, sounds like it's doing little other than what the rules reward it to do.

And then if you mention union, you're worse than the people in charge treating their underlings like crap

The union tried in the past but failed to pass. I wasn't there at the time but apparently management was really good at eliminating the ones calling for it. Now we only hire people who fit our strict "culture". I'd always question it but up until now we at least tried treating our employee's with common decency.

Craig234,
There is no way to force a company to act responsibly. Anything the government might try will be passed onto the workforce. Especially when the workforce is totally replaceable.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: IamDavid
Health insurance just got raised and your deductible has now tripled.
-Was $20\w now its $35... Deductible went from $300 to $1000
-Prescription drugs were $5, now $15 for generic and NO non generic...
-No more prenatal support, was covered @ 100%
Sounds like you're a fan of our free market "for profit" health care industry :laugh:
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: IamDavid
Originally posted by: Strk
Originally posted by: Craig234
The thing is, it does little for Iamdavid to leave and be replaced. The only thing that actually helps is changing the rules to ensure all employers meet decent standards - or are incented to at least, but making the market for labor a bit more actually competitive. The company, sadly, sounds like it's doing little other than what the rules reward it to do.

And then if you mention union, you're worse than the people in charge treating their underlings like crap

The union tried in the past but failed to pass. I wasn't there at the time but apparently management was really good at eliminating the ones calling for it. Now we only hire people who fit our strict "culture". I'd always question it but up until now we at least tried treating our employee's with common decency.

Craig234,
There is no way to force a company to act responsibly. Anything the government might try will be passed onto the workforce. Especially when the workforce is totally replaceable.

Yeah, people bitch about unions a lot, but in situations like this they really can give workers a fair shake. You are right in that companies are really good at 'dealing' with those who want to unionize. No amount of federal statutory protection will really help the poor sap who can't afford a lawyer to keep them honest...
 

StageLeft

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Your company sounds like sh*t, but my company has the same laws as yours and everybody elses and mine sure isn't like yours, so the problem is not the laws/washington, just that your company sucks as a place to work.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Craig234
The thing is, it does little for Iamdavid to leave and be replaced.

Assuming he is a "good" employee, it does. I've seen companies treat employees in a similar manner, and trust me it hurts them when their good employees leave. And it's their best employees that leave first, as they're capable of finding other jobs more easily. They almost always hire someone less skilled, who needs training and time to "learn the ropes," which costs them money as well as a drop in productivity. I've seen it time and time again. I've also seen the opposite, companies that treat their employees well, and the result is better retention of those employees.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: IamDavid
Health insurance just got raised and your deductible has now tripled.
-Was $20\w now its $35... Deductible went from $300 to $1000
-Prescription drugs were $5, now $15 for generic and NO non generic...
-No more prenatal support, was covered @ 100%
Sounds like you're a fan of our free market "for profit" health care industry :laugh:

We haven't had free market health care for many decades. If it were free market health care, he would be the one choosing his health care plan, not his employer. That's why health insurance is so expensive, the choice has been driven away from the consumer.
 

Phokus

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Oh no, a "capitalist" being screwed over by his employer because of supply/demand.

Absolutely no sympathy from me.

They know they can get away with it because they know even their best employees will have a hard time finding a new job in this economy if they're unhappy.

Looks like someone's been mugged by reality
 

cubeless

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nobody up for "these guys are saints for employing minimum wage people and giving them a whack at benefits instead of outsourcing to (insert 3rd world country here)"???

i'm sure y'all buy all of your products from only companies who pay all their employees living wage or how could you live with the guilt?
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: IamDavid
Health insurance just got raised and your deductible has now tripled.
-Was $20\w now its $35... Deductible went from $300 to $1000
-Prescription drugs were $5, now $15 for generic and NO non generic...
-No more prenatal support, was covered @ 100%
Sounds like you're a fan of our free market "for profit" health care industry :laugh:

We haven't had free market health care for many decades. If it were free market health care, he would be the one choosing his health care plan, not his employer. That's why health insurance is so expensive, the choice has been driven away from the consumer.

Yeah, because employers are known to choose the most expensive healthcare and having a pool of employees to spread the risk around doesn't reduce the costs either :roll:
 

senseamp

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In free market health care, employees would be self medicating. They'd decide which drugs and procedures they need and do a cost and benefit analysis using their vast medical knowledge. :) Time to get rid of prescription requirements for drugs, and sell surgical kits at Walmart for the DIY crowd. Then we'll have a free market in health care.
 

IamDavid

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Oh no, a "capitalist" being screwed over by his employer because of supply/demand.

Absolutely no sympathy from me.

They know they can get away with it because they know even their best employees will have a hard time finding a new job in this economy if they're unhappy.

Looks like someone's been mugged by reality

Most the time I'd agree. Not in this situation though because the company is using politics to hide the truth. Minimum wage was raised in the past month so the bottom line doesn't look quite as rosy, so what do we do? Take more from the ones who just got a .25 raise!!!

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: senseamp
In free market health care, employees would be self medicating. They'd decide which drugs and procedures they need and do a cost and benefit analysis using their vast medical knowledge. :) Time to get rid of prescription requirements for drugs, and sell surgical kits at Walmart for the DIY crowd. Then we'll have a free market in health care.

You know there is a large difference between less regulation and no regulation. :roll:

 

senseamp

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: senseamp
In free market health care, employees would be self medicating. They'd decide which drugs and procedures they need and do a cost and benefit analysis using their vast medical knowledge. :) Time to get rid of prescription requirements for drugs, and sell surgical kits at Walmart for the DIY crowd. Then we'll have a free market in health care.

You know there is a large difference between less regulation and no regulation. :roll:

It's not about regulation, it's about consumers making free market decisions. If you want free market to drive health care, the end consumer needs to be making medical decisions, like which medications they will take, and which procedures they need or don't need. I am sure they have watched enough House to handle it.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: IamDavid
Originally posted by: Phokus
Oh no, a "capitalist" being screwed over by his employer because of supply/demand.

Absolutely no sympathy from me.

They know they can get away with it because they know even their best employees will have a hard time finding a new job in this economy if they're unhappy.

Looks like someone's been mugged by reality

Most the time I'd agree. Not in this situation though because the company is using politics to hide the truth. Minimum wage was raised in the past month so the bottom line doesn't look quite as rosy, so what do we do? Take more from the ones who just got a .25 raise!!!

That is the thing most libs do not understand, that min wage increase has to come from somewhere. A local pizza place we frequent started using paper plates, So i assume the old min wage dishwasher is out of a job now.

I have a friend that runs a fast food place, he will be raising prices to cover the min wage increase.

Cash for clunker is going to take all the cheap car off the road that the poor could afford, to subsidize those with enough money to buy a new car.

 

Hacp

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Originally posted by: cubeless
nobody up for "these guys are saints for employing minimum wage people and giving them a whack at benefits instead of outsourcing to (insert 3rd world country here)"???

i'm sure y'all buy all of your products from only companies who pay all their employees living wage or how could you live with the guilt?

They need to lower the minimum wage and increase the overtime threshold to 50 hours if we're going to have a small chance at competing with developing nations for jobs.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: senseamp
In free market health care, employees would be self medicating. They'd decide which drugs and procedures they need and do a cost and benefit analysis using their vast medical knowledge. :) Time to get rid of prescription requirements for drugs, and sell surgical kits at Walmart for the DIY crowd. Then we'll have a free market in health care.

You know there is a large difference between less regulation and no regulation. :roll:

are you implying you want regulation? are you some sort of... socialist?
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: senseamp
In free market health care, employees would be self medicating. They'd decide which drugs and procedures they need and do a cost and benefit analysis using their vast medical knowledge. :) Time to get rid of prescription requirements for drugs, and sell surgical kits at Walmart for the DIY crowd. Then we'll have a free market in health care.

You know there is a large difference between less regulation and no regulation. :roll:

are you implying you want regulation? are you some sort of... socialist?

regulation is not bad, excess regulation is.

 

IamDavid

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: IamDavid
Originally posted by: Phokus
Oh no, a "capitalist" being screwed over by his employer because of supply/demand.

Absolutely no sympathy from me.

They know they can get away with it because they know even their best employees will have a hard time finding a new job in this economy if they're unhappy.

Looks like someone's been mugged by reality

Most the time I'd agree. Not in this situation though because the company is using politics to hide the truth. Minimum wage was raised in the past month so the bottom line doesn't look quite as rosy, so what do we do? Take more from the ones who just got a .25 raise!!!

That is the thing most libs do not understand, that min wage increase has to come from somewhere. A local pizza place we frequent started using paper plates, So i assume the old min wage dishwasher is out of a job now.

I have a friend that runs a fast food place, he will be raising prices to cover the min wage increase.

Cash for clunker is going to take all the cheap car off the road that the poor could afford, to subsidize those with enough money to buy a new car.

Unfortunately it's just not the left anymore that forgot about cause and effect. Wait till 2010 when the minimum wage jumps another dollar. I'm not against having a livable wage but the reality is it'll never work, the cost is just passed on.