How the **** Intel P965 board has an IDE connector?

lopri

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Intel 965 board
I thought they decided to be rid of PATA on their chipset? I'm very curious to know what's going on here. Oh and what a grotesque looking board.
 

hardwareking

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they have a 3rd party ide controller added on to the board.Right now none of those chipsets would be sold if they didn't have any pata ports as majority of the optical devices still use them.
 

erikistired

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if what's true? that the majority of optical devices are pata? i haven't hardly seen any sata drives yet, i think plextor has one. so how it supporting your customers a comedy?
 

Rob_63

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Originally posted by: lopri
Intel 965 board
I thought they decided to be rid of PATA on their chipset? I'm very curious to know what's going on here. Oh and what a grotesque looking board.

The non premium Intel brand boards always seem to be that fugly green color, and even though I do not have a windowed case I won't buy one, I would prefer to get the premium board. My D945 PVS sure is purdy...... :)
 

jlbenedict

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Originally posted by: lopri
Intel 965 board
I thought they decided to be rid of PATA on their chipset? I'm very curious to know what's going on here. Oh and what a grotesque looking board.

So, whats so grotesque about it? Its an Intel board; designed for workstations and customers who don't want some blinged out motherboard. If you are looking for a hot pink PCB and yellow PCI slots, you'll have to look elsewhere. :)


 

Peter

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Intel's south bridges have just lost ONE of the IDE channels ... it'll probably be a generation or two before IDE is all gone.
 

blckgrffn

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Originally posted by: Peter
Intel's south bridges have just lost ONE of the IDE channels ... it'll probably be a generation or two before IDE is all gone.


Nope, the intel chipset no longer supports IDE. Read the Anandtech article on the chipset if you don't believe me :)

At least my 955XBK still has one, although I would rather have Conroe support than an IDE port to be honest. But hey, I have firewire B support to make me feel better :p
 

996GT2

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Originally posted by: Trucker61
Originally posted by: lopri
Intel 965 board
I thought they decided to be rid of PATA on their chipset? I'm very curious to know what's going on here. Oh and what a grotesque looking board.

The non premium Intel brand boards always seem to be that fugly green color, and even though I do not have a windowed case I won't buy one, I would prefer to get the premium board. My D945 PVS sure is purdy...... :)

Lol I have noticed the color thing...My friend has an 845 board and it's that fugly color. But my Parents' D875PBZ (equivalent of 975X back in the day) has a nice dark color to it...

Also the IDE connector is very much necessary for Optical drives; also for cheap people like me it's important as we still use our Seagate Barracuda ATA133 hard drives :p
I wish MSI would have put another IDE connector on though...kinda unbalanced seeing as my board has 6 SATA connectors and 1 IDE connector...


 

VirtualLarry

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The elimination of PATA ports is far too premature, IMHO. I've got loads and loads of optical drives that only run on PATA, and I plan on using them for as long as they last. Intel is insane to remove PATA support this early.
 

tcsenter

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
The elimination of PATA ports is far too premature, IMHO. I've got loads and loads of optical drives that only run on PATA, and I plan on using them for as long as they last. Intel is insane to remove PATA support this early.
Meh...there are many methods to add PATA support; hang a chip off the PCI bus, SATA > PATA chip, PCI-E > PATA chip, Super I/O with integrated PATA.
 

xboxist

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(computer n00b alert)

Whoa, what's being said here in this post? I'm not sure I understand. I just ordered this board, along with two SATA HDs, and two optical drives. Am I going to be able to hook this all up?
 

hardcandy2

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"Has anyone stopped and asked why we should bother putting SATA connections on optical drives in the first place?

Perhaps the reason there aren't very many SATA optical drives is that there isn't much of a demand for them from both the consumer's and the manufacturer's perspective.

Adding a SATA connection to an optical drive is more costly and is completely overkill for the data transfer rates of current optical drives. As for consumers, the majority of them don't need plug and play optical drives, and those who do regularly use existing USB 2.0 or Firewire connections; both of which are generally faster than IDE/ATA.

Basically, to put a point on it, CD and DVD drives aren't hindered by the IDE interface. Additionally, if you're running performance-sensitive apps, the extra load on the SATA controller is not very desirable if you have a raid or multiple HDDs running. Not to mention that plugging your optical drive into your SATA bus can slow everything else down when running resource intensive apps.

Think of it this way. Have you ever driven down a highway where the speed limit is 75 and the car in front of you is going 50? In light traffic, this isn't a problem, you just pass them. But when this happens in heavy rush-hour traffic, you can easily get stuck while people in other lanes constantly past you without letting you over. Your computer's SATA bus is like an 10 lane divided highway with a speed limit of 75 MPH. Plugging your optical drive into the SATA bus is like driving a car that can only do 55 MPH. This is fine when there's not much traffic from other devices, but when you get heavy traffic loads, it can slow everyone else down!

Basically, you don't really "need" SATA optical drives since current IDE/ATA connections are more than enough. You just want them really badly.

So, why add cost, complexity, and resource bottlenecks when the current tech works just fine?"

from "<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.digg.com/hardware/Listen_up_manufactures,_we_need_SATA_optical_drives_already!">http://www.digg.com/hardware/L...s,_we_need_SATA_optical_drives_already!"</a>
 

n7

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I think Intel is certainly prematurely removing native IDE support.

However, unfortunately, it seems the only way to get companies to abandon old standards & start producing for new is via forcing them too pretty much.

I really want to see IDE die, but of course, we're waiting on optical drive manufacturers to actually start making SATA interface burners.

Why do i want to see IDE die?
Two very simple reasons.

1. IDE means sharing the channel for HDD/optical drives.
In short, it means i cannot burn two DVDs are once, because with both on the same channel, there simply isn't enough thruput :
Or for copying lots of files simultaneously on multiple HDDs, IDE = major bottleneck.

2. Nice small SATA cabling.

But mainly for reason number one.
 

Hidden Hippo

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Well, I'm ordering my Samsung SATA drive tomorrow. Scan is selling it for about £25, so I thought I may as well go for it.