how the hell could anyone be in support of tenure for school teachers?

[Elbryn]

Exployee teaches for a modest salary for 28 years. Then in his last 2 years, accepts a managers position. When he retires, pension pays out equivolent to 2/3 salary based on his last 3 quarters.

So he gets a management level pension, having only paid in only on rank and file salary. So again... how do we solve this?

throw the pension and average year salary equation out the window. replace with a straight up simple 401k type system. employees required to contribute X% and employers required to match Y%. you make more, you contribute more. give people all the documentation and knowledge sessions to make an informed decision on how to invest it. Give them the option to see someone in the retirement office once every 2 years to review. only have 5 options for investments. tips, total bond index, total US stock index, total international index, and an aggregated return on cd ladders of 1, 3, 5, and 7 years. when the time for retirement comes, you get to stop by the local system office to crunch the numbers on your immediate annuity payout using an inflation % based on the last 5 or 10 years of inflation averaged out. nothing but the basics. folks have other options to get fancy on if they want. ira/roth, taxable funds, etc..

give them all the tools, and empower people to do what they want. choice is up to them.

 

[sao123]

That's a good thing. No, that's a GREAT thing. Light a fire under lazy old teachers keep them motivated.

way to generalize about the workforce... but hey, ill remember to come make sure you get fired every 5 years, since as you get older you must get lazy too.


Your whole mentality is bullshit.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I think you have too much faith in parents. They get all up in arms, threaten lawsuits and other legal action for confiscating cell phones that are still being used during class after a warning. Good luck getting them to put up with jail time for being disruptive.

(Side note: Parents vote in the school board memebers so good luck getting anyone who would propose such a thing)

Then, of course, there is the whole issue of a teacher trying to engage and interact (you know - the whole 'how to be a good teacher' thing) with 100 students in each class. Classroom management isn't just about dealing with delinquents. Its about engaging with the students and keeping them interested and paying attention.

(Also - keeping kids form cheating with only 2 people in a room of 100 would be a serious challenge)



So you want to pay someone $33,000 a year to work 60-72 hours a week?



But what extra value does that $20,000+ in tuition costs confer?



I will agree that more discipline is needed - no argument there. Unfortunately parents are not voting in board members that make that change. Schools have to worry about lawsuits at every turn so they are doing all they can to not anger parents.

You may well be right;

You can get people to do 60hrs a week for 33k; it's good pay if your degree is in worthlesology

actually, for this kind of slave labor we could probably pay people 24 a year (minimum to call it 'salaried' and get some HS grads that are trained on the one little thing they do)

2 TAs 1 teacher 100 students; thats 33 kids a person; 48k on the 2 TAs and the other 52k/y for the master/ABD (a good pay for people with an ABD in lawlz-U)