how the heck is magic johnson not dead with aids yet?

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Eli

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Originally posted by: WA261
As I understand it..You can have AIDS which you die from, or just have HIV which you can transfer to others.
I would suggest seriously researching your understanding of it. :Q
 

Mrvile

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Originally posted by: WA261
As I understand it..You can have AIDS which you die from, or just have HIV which you can transfer to others.

I lol'd.

10/10
 

WA261

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: WA261
As I understand it..You can have AIDS which you die from, or just have HIV which you can transfer to others.
I would suggest seriously researching your understanding of it. :Q

Why would I research something that I don't give a shit about? Was just something I heard. Get over it...:rolls;
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: WA261
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: WA261
As I understand it..You can have AIDS which you die from, or just have HIV which you can transfer to others.
I would suggest seriously researching your understanding of it. :Q

Why would I research something that I don't give a shit about? Was just something I heard. Get over it...:rolls;
Because you are apparently attempting to spread information on something you obviously know nothing about.
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
He's been nearly cured. It was EXTREMELY expensive. They don't know for sure if he is cured, but they haven't seen any traces of the virus for many years now. He will not die from aids in his life.

You are a moron.

He is not cured, since there has never been a documented case of a HIV patient ever being cured. He is on the same type of drugs I am on to control the virus. I have an undetectable level of the virus in my blood, yet I am still HIV positive. If either I or MJ stops taking the meds, we will have a relapse due to the virus hiding in cells the meds can not get to.

Here is a web site with more information on HAART and HIV.

The Body


I'm not a moron, I said NEARLY cured. Sure, they did not cure him entirely, but there are no traces of the virus either. At this point its pretty difficult to say he still has it or that he is cured, they just don't really know for sure. But they know they haven't seen any traces of the virus in quite some time.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
He's been nearly cured. It was EXTREMELY expensive. They don't know for sure if he is cured, but they haven't seen any traces of the virus for many years now. He will not die from aids in his life.

You are a moron.

He is not cured, since there has never been a documented case of a HIV patient ever being cured. He is on the same type of drugs I am on to control the virus. I have an undetectable level of the virus in my blood, yet I am still HIV positive. If either I or MJ stops taking the meds, we will have a relapse due to the virus hiding in cells the meds can not get to.

Here is a web site with more information on HAART and HIV.

The Body


I'm not a moron, I said NEARLY cured. Sure, they did not cure him entirely, but there are no traces of the virus either. At this point its pretty difficult to say he still has it or that he is cured, they just don't really know for sure. But they know they haven't seen any traces of the virus in quite some time.
The same can be said for many people on the antiviral drugs.

In many people it reduces the virus to undetectable levels. They are not cured however, as it returns as soon as treatment is stopped.

 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I'm not a moron, I said NEARLY cured. Sure, they did not cure him entirely, but there are no traces of the virus either. At this point its pretty difficult to say he still has it or that he is cured, they just don't really know for sure. But they know they haven't seen any traces of the virus in quite some time.

The day MJ stops taking the meds is the day his viral count will sky rocket. I am in the same exact boat. I just saw my Infectious Disease Specialist yesterday, and I have an undetectable viral load. (I have had 5 years of undetectable viral loads this summer.) Neither one of us are nearly cured as you previously stated. MJ's doctors are absolutely certain he is not cured because they actually understand how protease inhibitors and other HIV medications work.

There is no nearly cured when it comes to HIV. The only thing you got right in your previous post is that it is expensive to buy the prescriptions to suppress HIV. Maybe calling you a moron is harsh, but telling people that MJ is nearly cured is well, moronic.
 

Cuda1447

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If I'm a moron sooner, I apologize.

I was under the impression that since they cannot detect the HIV virus that they do not know for sure if he even still has it. I trust you though, as you obviously have experience with this stuff. If you don't mind my asking, exactly how expensive is expensive? And does your insurance cover it?

Sorry for my ignorance in this thread....

/me backs away slowly
 

Arkitech

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Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
He's been nearly cured. It was EXTREMELY expensive. They don't know for sure if he is cured, but they haven't seen any traces of the virus for many years now. He will not die from aids in his life.

You are a moron.

He is not cured, since there has never been a documented case of a HIV patient ever being cured. He is on the same type of drugs I am on to control the virus. I have an undetectable level of the virus in my blood, yet I am still HIV positive. If either I or MJ stops taking the meds, we will have a relapse due to the virus hiding in cells the meds can not get to.

Here is a web site with more information on HAART and HIV.

The Body

You're the moron. Why would you insult someone for stating a non inflammatory comment?
 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
If I'm a moron sooner, I apologize.

I was under the impression that since they cannot detect the HIV virus that they do not know for sure if he even still has it. I trust you though, as you obviously have experience with this stuff. If you don't mind my asking, exactly how expensive is expensive? And does your insurance cover it?

Sorry for my ignorance in this thread....

/me backs away slowly

Sorry to be so harsh earlier, but there are so many people that are ignorant about HIV and it's treatments that I sometimes get short tempered with them.

The cost of treatment varies depending on the "cocktail" used. The cost of the drugs runs from around $10,000 a year to as high as $100,000 a year. The drugs I am on cost $18,000 a year if I was to buy them direct from the pharmacy. The VA provides my medications for free because of my income. The VA provides the drugs at a low cost of $8 a prescription per month for those making more than around $24,000 a year.

Medicare, Medicaid and state agencies assist most patients with the cost of the drugs. For those that don't qualify for public assistance are eligible for help from the Ryan White Foundation and other private charities. The pharmaceutical companies also provide assistance programs that provide the medications for free or reduced cost for those that do not qualify for public assistance.

Private insurance has to cover the cost if it provides a prescription plan, by law.
 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: Arkitech
You're the moron. Why would you insult someone for stating a non inflammatory comment?

Why don't you read the entire thread first to see that

A) I already admitted that I was a little harsh to the poster

B) The poster admitted in light of the facts that it was a moronic statement

C) Sometimes ignorance needs to be insulted to make a point people should not post as if they know something when they clearly have no clue what they are talking about.
 

Arkitech

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Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: Arkitech
You're the moron. Why would you insult someone for stating a non inflammatory comment?

Why don't you read the entire thread first to see that

A) I already admitted that I was a little harsh to the poster

B) The poster admitted in light of the facts that it was a moronic statement

C) Sometimes ignorance needs to be insulted

A. I already read the entire thread

B. Apparently being called a moron stings which is why you feel the need to defend yourself.

C. The poster in this case certaintly did not deserve to be the victim of your deragatory name calling.
 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: Arkitech

A. I already read the entire thread

B. Apparently being called a moron stings which is why you feel the need to defend yourself.

C. The poster in this case certaintly did not deserve to be the victim of your deragatory name calling.

A) Your reading comprehension sucks

B) I have said moronic things in the past and so have you. Apparently you are the only one that is a moron that does not realize it yet.

C) Yes the poster deserved to be called a moron because he was being one at the time.

D) The poster done a excellent job of defending his/her self and obviously does not need you to be their knight in shining armor.

Edit:

I just want to point out you asked for a response in your original post. Had you not, I would have just ignored you.
 

Arkitech

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Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: Arkitech

A. I already read the entire thread

B. Apparently being called a moron stings which is why you feel the need to defend yourself.

C. The poster in this case certaintly did not deserve to be the victim of your deragatory name calling.

A) Your reading comprehension sucks

B) I have said moronic things in the past and so have you. Apparently you are the only one that is a moron that does not realize it yet.

C) Yes the poster deserved to be called a moron because he was being one at the time.

D) The poster done a excellent job of defending his/her self and obviously does not need you to be their knight in shining armor.

Just take your a**hole badge and wear it like a man. You came in this thread insulting people for no good reason and now you're upset that someone called you on it. Think twice before you go around throwing insults at people.

 

soonerproud

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Originally posted by: Arkitech


Just take your a**hole badge and wear it like a man. You came in this thread insulting people for no good reason and now you're upset that someone called you on it. Think twice before you go around throwing insults at people.

I proudly wear my asshole badge and I am not upset you called me on it. In fact I am proud to be a certified asshole! If people continue to make a thread every three months on why Magic Johnson is not dead, then I will be right there to call people morons for saying ignorant stuff about HIV/AIDS.

Who made you the name calling police? So keep it to yourself if you don't like it when I call someone a moron who is spouting misinformation about HIV/AIDS. The information is right at their fingertips, yet assholes continue to make threads about HIV/AIDS to spread misinfomation. They are morons and deserved to called such.

Don't bother to respond to this because I am done with you since you are just a busy body that needs to learn when to keep your mouth shut.
 

I4AT

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Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: Baked
You missed the episode of South Park where they injected money into AIDS patients.

I caught it and Matt and Trey are wrong on this one. Money does not cure HIV/AIDS. If it did then try to explain all the celebrities that were rich and died before HAART became available. Here are a few who were rich and died any ways.

Robert Reed
Arthur Ashe
Rock Hudson
Freddy Mercury

Notice all these people died before 1995?

Don't forget Eazy-E, his case was interesting because he died something like 5 months after he was diagnosed, so I'm guessing he must've had full blown AIDS already.