How secure is 3G as a comunications standard?

[Locut0s]

For the sake of this arguement let's say that you are doing your home banking on your iphone. The site uses https and proper encryption. Does this alone secure you enough that one does not need to worry about the security of the communications standard you are using?

Would you do your home banking or other financial transactions over 3G?

 

[axelfox]

I believe 3G is secure internet connection through your service providers server. I could be wrong though.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: axelfox
I believe 3G is secure internet connection through your service providers server. I could be wrong though.

Yep. With the security built into sim cards its next to impossible to hack. I think the numbers are something like a 1 in 65 billion chance that someone could intercept the signal and actually be able to do anything with it.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: axelfox
I believe 3G is secure internet connection through your service providers server. I could be wrong though.

Yep. With the security built into sim cards its next to impossible to hack. I think the numbers are something like a 1 in 65 billion chance that someone could intercept the signal and actually be able to do anything with it.

Brute force is not always the answer.

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: axelfox
I believe 3G is secure internet connection through your service providers server. I could be wrong though.

Yep. With the security built into sim cards its next to impossible to hack. I think the numbers are something like a 1 in 65 billion chance that someone could intercept the signal and actually be able to do anything with it.

Brute force is not always the answer.

If it was almost nothing would have been hacked instead of almost everything.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: axelfox
I believe 3G is secure internet connection through your service providers server. I could be wrong though.

Yep. With the security built into sim cards its next to impossible to hack. I think the numbers are something like a 1 in 65 billion chance that someone could intercept the signal and actually be able to do anything with it.

Brute force is not always the answer.

If it was almost nothing would have been hacked instead of almost everything.

Le Mur Maginot 2.0 is supposed to put an end to all of this


Perhaps the fact that the standard for invalidation of a security measure is always, by default, measured with respect to a brute force attack is what keeps people motived.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: axelfox
I believe 3G is secure internet connection through your service providers server. I could be wrong though.

Yep. With the security built into sim cards its next to impossible to hack. I think the numbers are something like a 1 in 65 billion chance that someone could intercept the signal and actually be able to do anything with it.

Brute force is not always the answer.

I was giving my dumbed down answer. Here is a link to all you want to know about 3g security:

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Its basically impossible to get through the encryption

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: axelfox
I believe 3G is secure internet connection through your service providers server. I could be wrong though.

Yep. With the security built into sim cards its next to impossible to hack. I think the numbers are something like a 1 in 65 billion chance that someone could intercept the signal and actually be able to do anything with it.

Brute force is not always the answer.

I was giving my dumbed down answer. Here is a link to all you want to know about 3g security:

Text

Its basically impossible to get through the encryption

Thanks.

 

[Skeeedunt]

Also, yes, proper https would be sufficient even if 3G weren't secure.

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: axelfox
I believe 3G is secure internet connection through your service providers server. I could be wrong though.

Yep. With the security built into sim cards its next to impossible to hack. I think the numbers are something like a 1 in 65 billion chance that someone could intercept the signal and actually be able to do anything with it.

Brute force is not always the answer.

If it was almost nothing would have been hacked instead of almost everything.

Le Mur Maginot 2.0 is supposed to put an end to all of this

I assume your joke is referring to the German attach on the French Maginot line during WWII in which they essentially just went around the "impenetrable defence line" but what is Le Mur??

Perhaps the fact that the standard for invalidation of a security measure is always, by default, measured with respect to a brute force attack is what keeps people motived.

Not the best method of measuring things to be sure but if you have to have a standard it has to be measured against something quantifiable and unfortunately usually the brute force method is usually the only thing really quantifiable. Kind of hard to quantify "oops I forgot to check the turn on security check box" or "oh yeah customer X insisted that security feature Y should be turned off in their version of the product".

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: Skeeedunt
Also, yes, proper https would be sufficient even if 3G weren't secure.

Thought so.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: axelfox
I believe 3G is secure internet connection through your service providers server. I could be wrong though.

Yep. With the security built into sim cards its next to impossible to hack. I think the numbers are something like a 1 in 65 billion chance that someone could intercept the signal and actually be able to do anything with it.

Brute force is not always the answer.

If it was almost nothing would have been hacked instead of almost everything.

Le Mur Maginot 2.0 is supposed to put an end to all of this

I assume your joke is referring to the German attach on the French Maginot line during WWII in which they essentially just went around the "impenetrable defence line" but what is Le Mur??

Perhaps the fact that the standard for invalidation of a security measure is always, by default, measured with respect to a brute force attack is what keeps people motived.

Not the best method of measuring things to be sure but if you have to have a standard it has to be measured against something quantifiable and unfortunately usually the brute force method is usually the only thing really quantifiable. Kind of hard to quantify "oops I forgot to check the turn on security check box" or "oh yeah customer X insisted that security feature Y should be turned off in their version of the product".

'Mur' is French for Wall. I should have said 'le ligne Maginot' (The Maginot Line) for it to make sense. my bad. It was an association that my brain refuses to make at this hour

As for your second comment, it's always great to discuss how such weaknesses could be quantifiable given enough data and enough processing power.