How rare is an 8pt doe

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acole1

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A friend from work came into the office today and asked me to get some pictures off his camera and email them to him.

The pictures were of an 8pt doe that he shot this week. He said Cabella's was going to meet with him this afternoon, and the Fort Worth Star Telegram wanted him to send over some pictures, for a story I guess.


Is this something rare? Or is it fairly common?

(Sorry can't post pics right now... still at work.)
 
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umm...
so rare it's impossible?

a doe is a female deer. they don't have antlers.
 
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Originally posted by: acole1
A friend from work came into the office today and asked me to get some pictures off his camera and email them to him.

The pictures were of an 8pt doe that he shot this week. He said Cabella's was going to meet with him this afternoon, and the Fort Worth Star Telegram wanted him to send over some pictures, for a story I guess.


Is this something rare? Or is it fairly common?

(Sorry can't post pics right now... still at work.)
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an 8 point doe... is like a chik with a dick.
 
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acole1

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Originally posted by: pontifex
umm...
so rare it's impossible?

a doe is a female deer. they don't have antlers.
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This one did....

The guy isn't good enough with computers to photoshop them and put them back on his camera or anything like that.
 
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Originally posted by: acole1
Originally posted by: pontifex
umm...
so rare it's impossible?

a doe is a female deer. they don't have antlers.
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This one did....

The guy isn't good enough with computers to photoshop them and put them back on his camera or anything like that.
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so like, he has pics of the deer's genitalia?
 
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Originally posted by: pontifex
umm...
so rare it's impossible?

a doe is a female deer. they don't have antlers.
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Its not impossible, just ultra rare...
Female deer can grow horns like male deer if they have a hormone imbalance, it has been recorded about 5 times in the last 2 decades.
 
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Originally posted by: acole1
Originally posted by: pontifex
umm...
so rare it's impossible?

a doe is a female deer. they don't have antlers.
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This one did....

The guy isn't good enough with computers to photoshop them and put them back on his camera or anything like that.
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Did he have any pictures of the reproductive area or anything? As others have stated, it is impossible for a doe to have antlers - though it's possible it could be birth defects along the lines of a hermaphrodite.
 
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acole1

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Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: acole1
Originally posted by: pontifex
umm...
so rare it's impossible?

a doe is a female deer. they don't have antlers.
Click to expand...

This one did....

The guy isn't good enough with computers to photoshop them and put them back on his camera or anything like that.
Click to expand...

so like, he has pics of the deer's genitalia?
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Yes... and you can see the horns at the same time. So it's not like one end is one deer, and the other end is another one.
 
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An 8 piont doe? A mutant deer like that would be amazingly rare and valuable if it were possible. Too bad it is dead, I would have liked to see what the other bulls think of that during the rut!
 
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Originally posted by: kranky
Story about another antlered doe.
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anyone else read this? not making fun of the writer, but i couldn't help but thinking of a country boy going to the city for the first time and running into his first crossdresser or transsexual. you could easily replace the deer references with human references and it would work out pretty damn well.

the guy talks about how much in awe he was of the deer and how many good memories he has of it but then shoots it. wtf? i have no problem with hunting, but that just seems dumb to me.
 
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nismotigerwvu

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Well, it certainly isn't common, but here we go. All mammals (for the purpose of what I'm saying here...there are plenty of exceptions, deer are not one of them) start out as female in the womb (despite having the Y chromosome they will start start as females). The a particular point, a protein is coded from the Y chromosome that says "Hey man, you're a dude, grow some balls" and well you can guess what happens. Now, there is a rare condition in which this just doesn't happen, so the Y chromosome is just ignored (much like the 2nd X of a female gets shutdown) and the animal is just a female and you really couldn't tell unless you looked at the chromosomes. Now, heres the tricky part, we've all seen calico cats, and they are multiple colors becuase as females they don;t always shut down the same X and have a different gene for color on different copies and it is entirely possible the same thing happened with this deer in that it is an XY female but had its Y's turned back on in the right place to develop antlers. This is FAR more likely (by a near infinite rate) than a XX female having a point mutation to grow full blown antlers. So it is more of a dude with a female reproductive tract than a female with antlers. If anyone really would like to know, I'm a biochemist (no lie, grad student at WVU)
 
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Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
Well, it certainly isn't common, but here we go. All mammals (for the purpose of what I'm saying here...there are plenty of exceptions, deer are not one of them) start out as female in the womb (despite having the Y chromosome they will start start as females). The a particular point, a protein is coded from the Y chromosome that says "Hey man, you're a dude, grow some balls" and well you can guess what happens. Now, there is a rare condition in which this just doesn't happen, so the Y chromosome is just ignored (much like the 2nd X of a female gets shutdown) and the animal is just a female and you really couldn't tell unless you looked at the chromosomes. Now, heres the tricky part, we've all seen calico cats, and they are multiple colors becuase as females they don;t always shut down the same X and have a different gene for color on different copies and it is entirely possible the same thing happened with this deer in that it is an XY female but had its Y's turned back on in the right place to develop antlers. This is FAR more likely (by a near infinite rate) than a XX female having a point mutation to grow full blown antlers. So it is more of a dude with a female reproductive tract than a female with antlers. If anyone really would like to know, I'm a biochemist (no lie, grad student at WVU)
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That makes a lot of sense!

Thanks for making it so non-biochemists like me could read it! :thumbsup:
 
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nismotigerwvu

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Oh and my "pig farmer guesstimate" (as my into to biochem prof would always say) is that this is a 1, in every 10,000 deal. Maybe every 15 to 20 thousand if you are saying an 8 point versus maybe less impressive antlers. Basing this only on how often XY females in humans occur. In fact, I think there was an episode of Oprah not too long about this condition (no lie).
 
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I wonder if you need a buck hunting license or a doe hunting license to shoot one of those. I think that I'd want to have both just to be certain.
 
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